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Communism always fails, because its completly against human nature. China started to become sucessful when it dropped communism and changed its economy to capitalism. In europe the entire communist east collapsed because its people ran away. Your own country Iran is fiercly against communism.
Chinese have mixed the capitalism and communism, almost all major companies are state-owned.

Success of majority of libral countries have been the result of looting the weaker countries, while the collapse of majority of communist countries have been the result of sabotage from liberal countries who had a better economy. so it's better to trace the human greed of one side rather rather than human nature of the other!

Iran's problem with coommunism is their opposition to god and religion, otherwise we have no problem with the parts which looks for nation-wide justice, even though we have our own ideology for government and society.
 
I'll agree with my compatriot,you can't talk about how amazing Venezuela's system is when you live in Iran.
Remember how the Revolution treated communists in the the early '80s?
It's ok to help a country,but don't try to present Maduro and Venezuela as an example to the world. Come on,bro.

And @jamahir you know I respect you man,but I don't agree on this subject.
 
A quote from Imam Khomeini:
America worse than Britain, Britain worse than America, Soviets worse than all, all worse than eachother, all filthier than each other.

Yes, the imperialist country, whether capitalist or Communist, all are dirty. They all are not trustworthy, only a country that believes in its own strength can succeed.
Iran is the descendant of the Persians of the great ancient civilization, I hope you can find your own way to success.
 
Quite easy, communism assumes that all humans are same. Which is obviously wrong. We are all different with all different talents. If you want that a doctor gets the same as a bus driver, the only thing you achieve, is that the doctor runs away. To keep your system running you need violence, like the iron curtain and in the end it always collapses.
u dont understand communism bro, so please keep quiet more and read more, seriously. "communism assumes all humans are the same" - these oversimplified ways of thinking is wrong and doesnt help people understand things better on the forum.
 
We are and Communism recognizes that : "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".



In what all things you mean "Gets the same" ?



The Libyan Jamahiriya political system was the true manifestation of the Communist ideal of a system where "Withering of the State" existed with the people ruling themselves without political parties, five-yearly-elections and all the complicated things associated with them.


Libya was ruled by a despot who stole the peoples money and lived in a palace, i dont see that as positive.
u dont understand communism bro, so please keep quiet more and read more, seriously. "communism assumes all humans are the same" - these oversimplified ways of thinking is wrong and doesnt help people understand things better on the forum.


Communism always ended in misery, tyranny and poverty. Thats all one has to know about it.
 
Libya was ruled by a despot who stole the peoples money and lived in a palace, i dont see that as positive.

1. Libya wasn't a dictatorship but a Communistic direct democracy politically with a socio-economic system guided by welfare-based Socialism. I quote from this 2015 thread. Please also note the underlined :
Under Gaddafi’s unique system of direct democracy, traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.

Far from control being in the hands of one man, Libya was highly decentralized and divided into several small communities that were essentially “mini-autonomous States” within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya’s democracy were Local Committees, Basic People’s Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils.

The Basic People’s Congress (BPC), or Mu’tamar shaʿbi asāsi was essentially Libya’s functional equivalent of the House of Commons in the United Kingdom or the House of Representatives in the United States. However, Libya’s People’s Congress was not comprised merely of elected representatives who discussed and proposed legislation on behalf of the people; rather, the Congress allowed all Libyans to directly participate in this process. Eight hundred People’s Congresses were set up across the country and all Libyans were free to attend and shape national policy and make decisions over all major issues including budgets, education, industry, and the economy.

In 2009, Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation’s direct democracy. The New York Times, that has traditionally been highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi’s democratic experiment, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that

“everyone is involved in every decision…Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.”


The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Libyan Jamahiriya’s direct democracy is that in Libya all citizens were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred wealthy politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa’s most prosperous democracy.

On numerous occasions Mr. Gaddafi’s proposals were rejected by popular vote during Congresses and the opposite was approved and enacted as legislation.

For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People’s Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and the will of the People’s Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People’s Congresses rejected this idea too.

For over four decades, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans.


2. About him living in a palace please read my mention of that in this thread of mine which is about how the Libyan Jamahiriya direct democracy was technically arranged and the thread also includes a link to my proposal for a new economic system which is Communist in nature.

Communism always ended in misery, tyranny and poverty. Thats all one has to know about it.

I live in India which has been extremely Capitalist for the last 3000 years. I see socio-economic and political tragedies quite regularly here. I wish India was a Communist society.
 
1. Libya wasn't a dictatorship but a Communistic direct democracy politically with a socio-economic system guided by welfare-based Socialism. I quote from this 2015 thread. Please also note the underlined :



2. About him living in a palace please read my mention of that in this thread of mine which is about how the Libyan Jamahiriya direct democracy was technically arranged and the thread also includes a link to my proposal for a new economic system which is Communist in nature.



I live in India which has been extremely Capitalist for the last 3000 years. I see socio-economic and political tragedies quite regularly here. I wish India was a Communist society.

Well in europe people always run away from communist terror regimes. You can have it. ^^
 
Who are these people in Europe ?

And thank you, I wish to have it.

All. In eastern Germany they had to build a wall to stop people running away. They murdered their own citizens. The entire eastern block collapsed.

I will always fight communism.
 
"Iran helps Venezuela in its time of need"
this is the title of the discussion,
but it seems that it has become an examination of the political systems that exist or have existed on the planet, while I interpret the title as an input to inform of how and in what areas Iran helps or can help Venezuela overcome sanctions to restore in conditions of use of its industrial, infrastructural and military apparatus, furthermore collaborating to overcome the current difficulties in exporting the enormous wealth of the Venezuelan subsoil, exports made difficult precisely because of the sanctioning regime that affects every related sector.

thanks for any contribution to the title of the discussion
 

But there are Communist movements in Britain, Greece, Germany, Poland and I am sure in other European allies of the USSR.

In eastern Germany they had to build a wall to stop people running away. They murdered their own citizens.

That is a simplistic view. The below pages are about microprocessor development in East Germany, Poland, Bulgaria and the USSR :



The entire eastern block collapsed.

And many countries would have been saddened by that.

I will always fight communism.

What all makes you take such a adamant position at a young age ?
 
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But there are Communist movements in Britain, Greece, Germany, Poland and I am sure in other European allies of the USSR.
Ya Jamahir,you've mentioned this to me too in another thread. The fact that there are communist movements in various countries of the world,doesn't mean that communism was a success or that the majority of the ex-communist countries' population wants that system back. There's always who support some ideas,good or bad.
 
Ya Jamahir,you've mentioned this to me too in another thread.

That was for the benefit of Apollon who seems to insist that all Europeans hate Communism.

The fact that there are communist movements in various countries of the world,doesn't mean that communism was a success or that the majority of the ex-communist countries' population wants that system back. There's always who support some ideas,good or bad.

Well, all revolutionary ideas, including Communism, when implemented in countries are experiments. And how do we measure success ? The greatest and extreme implementation of Capitalism is my country India, has been so for the last 3000 years regardless of Muslim rule and European rule. Is India a success ? And look at Capitalist America. Except for some of the tech companies there is nothing to admire in that country. Its successive governments spend hundreds of billions of dollars on maintaining a huge military every year ( 934 billion just for 2020-21 ) when instead the governments should have spent financial, human and material resources on providing free homes to the many homeless, free healthcare, free education etc. So how should we measure the success of Capitalism vs Communism ?

Lastly about ex-Communist East Germany there is the phenomenon of Ostalgie.
 
But there are Communist movements in Britain, Greece, Germany, Poland and I am sure in other European allies of the USSR.



That is a simplistic view. The below pages are about microprocessor development in East Germany, Poland, Bulgaria and the USSR :





And many countries would have been saddened by that.



What all makes you take such a adamant position at a young age ?

There are retards in evry country. As long they hold no power its ik.

And seriously...microchips? Eastern Germany was a shithole whose people ran away. It killed more than 1000 at own border, destroyed families and ruined million lives.

The only good commie is a dead one
 

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