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Pakistan is in talks with TTP splinter groups and we can forgive them if they lay arms: Imran Khan to TRT World

But I thought it was the 200 embassies of India strung along in South Afghanistan that was paying these RAW directed and created TTP terrorist agents.

Surely he is not talking to the TTP who are just Indian paid terrorists.

Should he not be talking to fascist Nazi Indian govt and RAW who are the masters of TTP to settle this ?

That has been Pakistan's and ISI's absolute conviction and narrative for many years.

Duh ....🙄


Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the government is in talks with some groups of the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), seeking a reconciliation.
"There are different groups which form the TTP and some of them want to talk to our government for peace. So, we are in talks with them. It’s a reconciliation process," he said during an interview with the TRT World.
 
Negotiations are good but only when you are negotiating from a position of strength. Pak Govt cant just 'forgive' those amongst TTP who have shed the blood of Pak troops and civilians, that would be a travesty and surrender.
 
Duh ....🙄


Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the government is in talks with some groups of the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), seeking a reconciliation.
"There are different groups which form the TTP and some of them want to talk to our government for peace. So, we are in talks with them. It’s a reconciliation process," he said during an interview with the TRT World.

One can understand why the myth of Indians being the funders and masters of the TTP was done by Pakistan.
After all the ISI is not going to say that these are dyed in the wool Islamists who want the Sharia across Pakistan and create a Emirate. If they did then thousands maybe millions might pick up a gun to "join" them.
Much better to say this is Indian funded trained and controlled terror group. EVERY PAKISTANI WILL IMMEDIATLY AND WHOLE HEARTEDLY buy that.
Its a slam dunk
Except now there are no Indians in southern Afghanistan except for a few stragglers in Kabul.
How to explain the rise in TTP terror attacks ??? And the bravado.

A conundrum for Pakistan to explain.

So now there is good TTP and bad TTP. We talk to the good TTP and come to some understanding, says IK.
This is where it starts getting difficult, there are indeed sub-groups in the TTP and unpicking them will prove futile in the end.

Because

They are what they are and IK cannot deliver what they want.
Which is their version of a Sharia Emirate.
You notice how CAREFULLY oh so CAREFULLY IK avoided saying Indian funded or trained or mercenaries. Something that was ALWAYS connected and uttered from the mouths every Govt employee.
Nothing has riled up the TTP over the years than the constant refrain that they are India's proxies.

Had he said that, than any slim chance of talks would have evaporated immediately.

TTP, as we saw in Kabul, when they went openly to celebrate with their leader the victory of the Taliban. They were well received by the Taliban leadership as brothers in arms, having jointly fought many battles together against the ANA.
It was the ANA keeping the 5000 TTP prisoners behind bars. It was the Taliban that freed them

IK has a hill to climb because the TTP morale is sky high and the ISI know it.
Its Pakistan that has blinked and is offering the hand of friendship

Their brothers in Kabul have kicked out the Americans say the TTP.
and they believe their time is coming.
Now they really have allies and a base in the south of Afghanistan.
 
For those against talks with ttp for a peaceful solution just look at Afghanistan. Taliban taking over Afghanistan proves the fact that no number of military operations can end a insurgency completely. Ttp will always find fighters to fight for their cause. Killing foot soldiers of commanders in ttp even their leadership won’t give any results. Ttp has tribal support from Mehsud and wazir tribes as well. Mehsud and wazir tribes control waziristan and they will always support ttp due to tribal loyalties.
Us fighting ttp is like us fighting waziristan because majority of waziristanis support and want ttp. You can’t win a war without local support.
Peace is the way forward
 
To forgive TTP after all they've done is unforgivable. I find the mere thought of letting these scums get away scot-free repulsive.
Imran Khan's worst decision will be his sympathy with terrorist groups. He spent a good part of of his political career appeasing them, hoping they'd lend him support, instead he got ****-all, got called a Zionist by Islamists and Taliban Khan by liberals.
This will blow back on a spectacular scale.
 
that's a very good move. Pakistan is talking to them from a position of extreme power. the doors are closed behind them, Afghanistan will no longer help them.
ttp has been brought to its knees. time to bring those misguided & manipulated by indian hands back into the mainstream.
 
This is exactly what i was talking about, cowards running the country... Cowards in PM to President house, Cowards in Supreme court to GHQ...
With all due respect take this from me MR Handsome but brain dead PM
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BC ye selected hai ya nahi make up your mind. If IK truly is then you can be sure the military wants fighting to end. If TTP doesn't want to lay down arms rest be sure there's another operation coming soon.
 
IK will surely make arrangements with TTP ..nothing new ..his sympathy not new was even against operations against them during previous regime ..ttp won't get a better offer from anyone except PMIk being PM

What he would offer them??
 

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I actually just watched his interview now. Interviewer is really good, he dug deeper and Imran waffled. There is no concrete plan.

This is a peace offering for TTP and if they don't accept which I think they should, there will be the biggest operation you will ever see in Pakistan. I'm talking full attack mode 100k + troops with gunships and jets, those peaks will be taken. PA always delivers.

What is the plan about IDPs?? Who will fund for their displacement and rehabilitation??
 
Talking to the TTP

PRIME MINISTER Imran Khan says the government is holding negotiations with the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) aimed at persuading its fighters to lay down arms and reintegrate into society as peaceful and law-abiding citizens. Does he have the right to do so?

Of course he does, you might say. Last time we checked, he was still the prime minister of this country. And that’s what PMs do — make such hard decisions. Isn’t this what their public mandate is all about? To make such calls on behalf of the nation regardless of what the public opinion might say? After all, Tony Blair as the prime minister of UK went against the overwhelming public opinion in his country to support and join US president George W. Bush’s war against Iraq.

So when PM Khan tells Ali Mustafa of Turkish news channel TRT in his interview, which airs today, that Pakistan is indeed holding talks with the TTP in Afghanistan, he is finally confirming in no uncertain terms similar broad hints dropped earlier by President Arif Alvi and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. If the PM then is not unveiling any national security secrets, and if he is not violating the mandate of the office he holds, and if he is not taking a step that has never been taken before — speaking with the enemy, that is — then should the nation really be concerned?

Forgive those who bathed this society in blood? The momentous decision cannot be taken behind closed doors.
As a matter of fact, yes.


Here’s why: TTP has not waged a bloody war just against the government, but against Pakistani society. In this bloodletting, no place was spared — office, school, mosque, shrine, and bazaar; and no one was spared — officers, politicians, women, old men, children and toddlers. The wounds run deep. They are raw, yet. Time heals, but not so fast.

Forgive those who bathed this society in blood? The momentous decision cannot be taken behind closed doors by shadowy figures armed with a rationale that has not been nourished by public opinion. The real issue here is not whether Pakistan should accord such forgiveness to the TTP — no ladies and gentlemen, not at all — the real issue is whether the government has the moral right to do so without hearing what the people of Pakistan have to say about it.

As emotive issues go, this one is a sizzler. That too with long-term consequences. No government can, or should, go it alone. The PTI government has got off to a bad start by leaking this consequential information in fits and starts without first laying out the context and injecting transparency into the matter.

But it is still not too late.

Now that the prime minister has officially let the cat out of the bag, the government may want to frame the issue in a proper and well-deliberated context before it begins to take a life of its own. It has, in fact, already started to veer off. With the government now desperately trying to explain away the prime minister’s announcement through sound bites, it appears to have no road map on how to steer the debate towards a direction that it may have planned to. If it had planned to.

Does it have any good options?

Yes. A few essentials are required: (1) following the prime minister’s interview, the foreign minister should give a policy statement on the floor of parliament explaining the rationale, progress and methodology of the talks with the TTP (2) the floor should be opened for debate in both the Senate and the National Assembly and every party head in parliament should state his or her position on the matter (3) this will automatically trigger a national debate in the media which the government should monitor very carefully (4) the government should then table a resolution in parliament that outlines the basic parametres of the proposed talks and their agenda. The resolution should be negotiated with the opposition before being tabled so it can be adopted with a broad consensus (5) then the government should conduct these negotiations with the confidence of having a broad spectrum of public opinion backing it.

Editorial: TTP amnesty?

But before all of this, it needs to get its basic argument sorted out. The logic peddled all of Friday by the government’s official and unofficial spokespersons was dangerously superficial. Their argument: since the United States finally ended up on the negotiating table with the Afghan Taliban (TTA) after fighting with them for two decades and sustaining heavy casualties, why cannot Pakistan do the same with the TTP?

The problem with the argument: you cannot equate the US-TTA analogy with Pakistan-TTP logic for the simple reason that the US was an occupation force in Afghanistan and the TTA was fighting for its homeland against the occupiers. TTP on the other hand is fighting the legitimate state of Pakistan and its terror campaign is an act of sedition, not of liberation like that of the TTA. The government people should be very very careful drawing such recklessly trivial analogies to explain their desire to negotiate with the TTP.

This becomes all the more important at a time when the US government, legislators and the media have begun a process of painting Pakistan as the ‘villain’ primarily responsible for sustaining the TTA for the last two decades. The last thing the government needs is to botch up on the domestic front too by mishandling the TTP issue thereby opening itself up to a two-front offensive. It has already sapped its own political strength by fanning incessant confrontation with opponents and ensuring the absence of an essential working relationship. If the TTP issue is also dealt with in such a confrontational ‘take-it-or-leave-it’ manner, it could dilute the effectiveness of our policy and weaken the writ of the state.

Competence may have become a luxury in Pakistan, but can we please, at the very least, hold on to common sense?

The writer is Dawn’s resident editor in Islamabad.

Twitter:****@fahdhusain

Published in Dawn, October 2nd, 2021

 

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