Chinese spy chips cost 10 cents

[TaiShang]

Here's the alleged spy chip.
It costs 0.7 yuan on Taobao, which translates to about 10 cents.

How can one fit a sophisticated spying module able to collect an immense amount of data and transfer it to a place 2000 miles away on a 10 cent chip? This must be some kind of alien technology if the report is real. It's sad to see that these western press can spread such blatant lies under broad daylight. How does western media maintain any form of credibility?

@Chinese-Dragon @wanglaokan @haidian @TaiShang @Feng Leng

US neofascist media has lost its sophistication.

This is doing more harm to their regime, than serving their interests.

Even Trump thinks that way.

 

[gambit]

Research?
Are you telling me you have studied the chip before making such claim or ,let me guess, just google hot air ,or even worse ,gullible enough to believe the MSM?

That is not the research am talking about -- and you know it.

lol. that's a balun, not even a semiconductor. china is right to ban all westernn fake news propaganda media. they don't even try hard to make it looks legit. no wonder they voted for djt as their president just because he told them he'll make amelika great again. their people are easily brainwashed stupid people

US brainwashed? Tell that to the guy who said this device was designed to move 'immense' amount of data. We can only wonder where he got that 'immense' from.

 

[Kyle Sun]

That is not the research am talking about -- and you know it.

I don't want to digress, but please show us exactly what kind of "research' you have done.

 

[gambit]

I don't want to digress, but please show us exactly what kind of "research' you have done.

See post 9 page 1 and here...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...-article-to-smear-china.580370/#post-10844240

Plus that I am in the semicon manufacturing industry kinda help in that...

IF -- and am willing to make that allowance -- is true, China's semicon companies will never be trusted for a very long time, to put it kindly.

 

[Kyle Sun]

See post 9 page 1 and here...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...-article-to-smear-china.580370/#post-10844240

Plus that I am in the semicon manufacturing industry kinda help in that...

IF -- and am willing to make that allowance -- is true, China's semicon companies will never be trusted for a very long time, to put it kindly.

So you are able to know how this chip works even without a real chip on hand?
There is no such "research" whatsoever.

Plus I had worked in INTEL Fab for years and many friends still working in INTEL FAB.
You have no way more familiar with the semiconductor industry than me.

 

[gambit]

So you are able to know how this chip works even without a real chip on hand?
There is no such "research" whatsoever.

Plus I had worked in INTEL Fab for years and many friends still working in INTEL FAB.
You have no way more familiar with the semiconductor industry than me.

What did you do for Intel? Am not going to ask where, but what? As for me, am now currently directly involved in Intel's new 3DXP product lines, and when I say 'directly', am talking about everything in the Probe dept, from hardware configuration and qualification, to Functionality and Parametric test codes, to wafer maps generation, and finally to die level ship categorization. I integrate with Quality Assurance and long term Reliability groups.

As for this news, nowhere have I said I know what this 'spy' chip can do, am only challenging the claim of what it is supposed to do, which is to move 'immense amount of data'. No, this 'spy' chip does not NEED to do such things, even the Bloomberg article does not say 'data' but about ACCESS ALLOWANCE.

 

[Kyle Sun]

What did you do for Intel? Am not going to ask where, but what? As for me, am now currently directly involved in Intel's new 3DXP product lines, and when I say 'directly', am talking about everything in the Probe dept, from hardware configuration and qualification, to Functionality and Parametric test codes, to wafer maps generation, and finally to die level ship categorization. I integrate with Quality Assurance and long term Reliability groups.

As for this news, nowhere have I said I know what this 'spy' chip can do, am only challenging the claim of what it is supposed to do, which is to move 'immense amount of data'. No, this 'spy' chip does not NEED to do such things, even the Bloomberg article does not say 'data' but about ACCESS ALLOWANCE.

Diffusion and Wet etch in Fab 68 /FAB12.

And you still don't show us a single evidence about the so-called "ACCESS".

 

[gambit]

Diffusion and Wet etch in Fab 68 /FAB12.

68? Was that before or after the conversion to NAND? I trained some of 68's Probe engineers and techs. Am willing to guess before.

And you still don't show us a single evidence about the so-called "ACCESS".

If you insists on evidence on how this 'spy' chip works, guess we will have to wait. But the Bloomberg article stated...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Officials familiar with the investigation say the primary role of implants such as these is to open doors that other attackers can go through. “Hardware attacks are about access,” as one former senior official puts it.

So given your experience, which I am willing to accept at face value, can you categorically deny this allegation -- as technically impossible to do?

 

[AndrewJin]

The IQ of Murica now officially increases to the monkey level.

 

[Kyle Sun]

68? Was that before or after the conversion to NAND? I trained some of 68's Probe engineers and techs. Am willing to guess before.


If you insists on evidence on how this 'spy' chip works, guess we will have to wait. But the Bloomberg article stated...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

So given your experience, which I am willing to accept at face value, can you categorically deny this allegation -- as technically impossible to do?

1 before
2 Of course, I insist on strong evidence. You are making a very serious accusation. You can't allege someone guilty without any proof. It's a slander against China.

 

[gambit]

Of course, I insist on strong evidence. You are making a very serious accusation. You can't allege someone guilty without any proof. It's a slander against China.

An allegation by its nature is without proof, that is why it is called 'alleged', as in a simple word definition search:

a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.

An allegation often leads to initial inquiries which then often leads to an investigation.

But you avoided my question, which is that based upon your experience, which I said am willing to accept at face value, do you categorically deny the technical feasibility of the charge?

Am not providing any evidence. Am just asking you, someone who claimed to have technical experience in the semicon industry, if you believe it is technically impossible to do as the Bloomberg article alleged.

 

[Jlaw]

The IQ of Murica now officially increases to the monkey level.

Let's hope they allow more monkeys to immigrate to Murica

 

[Kyle Sun]

An allegation by its nature is without proof, that is why it is called 'alleged', as in a simple word definition search:

a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.

An allegation often leads to initial inquiries which then often leads to an investigation.

But you avoided my question, which is that based upon your experience, which I said am willing to accept at face value, do you categorically deny the technical feasibility of the charge?

Am not providing any evidence. Am just asking you, someone who claimed to have technical experience in the semicon industry, if you believe it is technically impossible to do as the Bloomberg article alleged.

All your words can be summarized as below: You and Bloomberg slander China Gov without any proof. period.

 

[wali87]

Where do you think the US got hold of all the tech they have today. Jet engines, rockets, radars, subs and what not. They stole it from Germany at the end of WW2. So even if these news is true, it hardly matters. Everything is fair in war, whether is a trade war or whatever.

 

[gambit]

All your words can be summarized as below: You and Bloomberg slander China Gov without any proof. period.

Do you -- based on your experience -- categorically deny the TECHNICAL feasibility of the charge?

NOWHERE have I said the allegation is true. Consistently I have used conditional words like 'may' and 'if'. All am asking from you is if, based upon your experience with Intel and semicon manufacturing processes, this is technically impossible.

As of now, there should be no doubt in your mind that I have the experience I claimed in the semicon industry. I have no direct experience in Diffusion and Wets, but I am the customer of your work. I am the last link of the manufacturing chain before the consumer. Combined our experience, BOTH of us know that this charge is technically feasible.