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bro any news about Bangladesh ?
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No ..... not like any other RWS !!!!Just like any other 12.7 RCWS.
Usually they have some STANAG level protection !!!
wait, i'll give you an example.
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Aselsan Stop
Aselsan | STOP - Stabilized Gun System
I think your RWS also provides some protection. i just needed confirmation from you !!!
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FN-Arrows M3S
- Ballistic protection Level 1 STANAG 4569
FN ARROWS™ with FN M3S™
Aselsan Stop
- No platform penetration (except cable laying)
Aselsan | STOP - Stabilized Gun System
I think your RWS also provides some protection. i just needed confirmation from you !!!
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FN-Arrows M3S
- Ballistic protection Level 1 STANAG 4569
FN ARROWS™ with FN M3S™
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I dont know. But lets be realistic, those light RCWS cant have some great protection, STANAG level 1 is not much.
Already posted this in Bangladesh army thread:
I dont know. But lets be realistic, those light RCWS cant have some great protection, STANAG level 1 is not much.
bro any news about Bangladesh ?
Already posted this in Bangladesh army thread:
Our defence minister just said, that two batches of Nora b 52 should be delivered until the end of the year to the country that bought them. I am almost 100% sure that the country mentioned is Bangladesh
Ahhh, I see you added "since the breakup of Yugo. A heck of lot more than 5 have crashed in accidents though
J-22_ORAO
I know this aircraft is a point of pride for Serbia, and it was a fine airplane, but it's 40 years old. Unlike wine, airplanes do not age well ; )It's impressive that the J22 is still flying in Serbia but
there's a reason the Romanians have retired all of theirs 15 years ago no?
At any rate, any news on the Kobac? It would be nice to See Serbia manufacture a turbine engine again.
I mis-spoke, I meant to say over a billion dollars in Serbia across the board including agriculture, which is good. ALAS missiles are exciting but you can't eat them
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They are still flying because we are able to do the maintenance for them. After all it's domestically made airplane, and we don't have much choice, because the rest of Serbian air force is in terrible condition. And J22 from ex Yugoslavia is made with higher quality than those in Romania.
And if you ask me about Kobac, i can't tell you much. As far as i can tell we are waiting for someone from the side to provide financial support for this project. Without that i doubt that Kobac will fly any time soon, because Serbian air force is not interested in Kobac.
Training in Serbian air force in the future should look like this:
15 Lasta 95 -> 9-15 G4MD -> 12 Mig 35
For now there are talks about 6 Mig 35, but i believe that it's only the first half of the deal. J22 probably won't fly after the 2020.
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System for acoustic source localization - HEMERA
APPLICATION
APPLICATION
- Acoustic-based detection, localization (estimation of coordinates) artillery and rocket weapons;
- Correction of one’s own artillery fire based on the analysis of acoustic signals generated by the explosion of artillery and rocket projectiles;
- Estimation of 3D coordinates of the points of interest based on the attended explosions at these points.
- Detection range 30 km
- Accuracy of location estimation 50 m on the distance of 15 km
- Method: oridyinal MUSIC based method for locating, optional method TDOA
- Opportunity to work on the ground intersected,
- Opportunity to work in terms of electronic interference.
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HF WIDEBAND DIRECTION FINDER (1.6 MHz – 30 MHz)
HF wideband DF is fast scanning DF designed for application in Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) and Electronic Warfare systems:
• Automatic estimation of azimuth and elevation of radio-signals in HF band with high probability of interception and location of radio-emitters;
• Interception and bearing of frequency-hopping and burst signals;
• Easy adaptation of existing Adcock antennas;
• Calculation of elevation with Correlative Interferometer and High-resolution method;
• Implementation of Single Station Location – SSL option;
• Automatic spectrum segmentation (option);
• Automatic generation of Electronic (Communication) order of Battle (option).
Specification
Operational use Semi-mobile and stationary system for SIGINT and Electronic Warfare
Frequency band 1.6 MHz to 30 MHz
Number of DF’s channels Three DF channels
Direction finder methods Watson-Watt, Correlative-interferometer метода,
High-resolution (MUSIC)
Direction finder antennas AD-COCK antenna array (all DF’s methods)
L-shape antenna array (Correlative Interferometer)
Instantaneous bandwidth 5.12 MHz/2.56 MHz/1.28 MHz/0.64 MHz
Channel spacing
(depending on selected instantaneous bandwidth) 625 Hz/312.5 Hz/156.25 Hz/78.125 Hz
Operating modes Wideband Fixed Frequency Mode (WFFM), Frequency and memory scan
Display Level versus frequency, frequency versus azimuth, frequency versus elevation, polar diagram, azimuth and elevation histogram, waterfall.
HF wideband DF is fast scanning DF designed for application in Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) and Electronic Warfare systems:
• Automatic estimation of azimuth and elevation of radio-signals in HF band with high probability of interception and location of radio-emitters;
• Interception and bearing of frequency-hopping and burst signals;
• Easy adaptation of existing Adcock antennas;
• Calculation of elevation with Correlative Interferometer and High-resolution method;
• Implementation of Single Station Location – SSL option;
• Automatic spectrum segmentation (option);
• Automatic generation of Electronic (Communication) order of Battle (option).
Specification
Operational use Semi-mobile and stationary system for SIGINT and Electronic Warfare
Frequency band 1.6 MHz to 30 MHz
Number of DF’s channels Three DF channels
Direction finder methods Watson-Watt, Correlative-interferometer метода,
High-resolution (MUSIC)
Direction finder antennas AD-COCK antenna array (all DF’s methods)
L-shape antenna array (Correlative Interferometer)
Instantaneous bandwidth 5.12 MHz/2.56 MHz/1.28 MHz/0.64 MHz
Channel spacing
(depending on selected instantaneous bandwidth) 625 Hz/312.5 Hz/156.25 Hz/78.125 Hz
Operating modes Wideband Fixed Frequency Mode (WFFM), Frequency and memory scan
Display Level versus frequency, frequency versus azimuth, frequency versus elevation, polar diagram, azimuth and elevation histogram, waterfall.
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Self propelled artillery:
Nora B52:
Very active in the wheeled SP field is Yugoimport. In the late ‘80s Yugoslavia developed a truck-mounted artillery system equipped with a 152/45 mm howitzer known as M84 Nora A (Nora stands for Novo Oruzje Artiljerije, or new artillery weapon). In early 2002 Serbia developed a similar system but aimed at the international market, hence the 155/52 mm ordnance. Known as the Nora B52-155/52 mm, the first prototype version it was equipped with a simple pneumatic rammer, had an unarmoured front cabin and used a FAP 2832 8×8 truck platform. Around 2003 or 2004 a second system was developed based on Russian KamAZ 63501 8×8 chassis, and production started in 2005. The main differences were the protection of the gun crew and the adoption of a full-automatic loading system and of a semi-automatic breechblock, the system carrying on board 36 complete rounds, including 12 ready to fire and 24 kept in a magazine located behind the front cabin. A reload vehicle carrying three modules of 24 complete rounds each was part of the battery. Electro-hydraulic systems ensured gun laying as well as spade extraction and retraction, transition time from marching order into firing position and vice-versa being under 60 seconds. The crew was reduced from five plus one to four plus one, the commander and gunner travelling in the back turret, while the front cabin could eventually be equipped with some level of protection. This version obtained at least two export contracts, one from Burma and the other from Kenya, for 30 systems each.
The third generation system, known as the Nora 155mm M03 B52 / KI, has front and rear cabins armoured at Level 2. It is equipped with an optional 25 kW auxiliary power unit, allowing the gun to be operated even when the truck engine is shut down, and can be equipped with a remotely controlled turret for self defence. Reliability was increased thanks to the redesign of elements of the breech, breechblock and automatic loading system, while state-of-the-art fire control system and automated navigation system was installed. A TV camera allows to verify loading operations in the rear, while in its most evolved configuration it is equipped with an inertial navigation system. To increase accuracy, a muzzle velocity radar system capable of measuring a speed between 30 and 1500 m/s with a mean error of less than +/-0,5 % has also been installed, the gun reaching a 41.2 km range with ERFB-BB rounds, with a 56 km range expected with RA/BB ammunition currently in development. Hydraulic spades have been equipped with shock absorbers and crew reduced to only four members. The Serbian Army is carrying out final trials, acquisition awaiting budget availability. In late 2011 Yugoimport obtained a further order for 18 Nara howitzers.
Nora B52:
Very active in the wheeled SP field is Yugoimport. In the late ‘80s Yugoslavia developed a truck-mounted artillery system equipped with a 152/45 mm howitzer known as M84 Nora A (Nora stands for Novo Oruzje Artiljerije, or new artillery weapon). In early 2002 Serbia developed a similar system but aimed at the international market, hence the 155/52 mm ordnance. Known as the Nora B52-155/52 mm, the first prototype version it was equipped with a simple pneumatic rammer, had an unarmoured front cabin and used a FAP 2832 8×8 truck platform. Around 2003 or 2004 a second system was developed based on Russian KamAZ 63501 8×8 chassis, and production started in 2005. The main differences were the protection of the gun crew and the adoption of a full-automatic loading system and of a semi-automatic breechblock, the system carrying on board 36 complete rounds, including 12 ready to fire and 24 kept in a magazine located behind the front cabin. A reload vehicle carrying three modules of 24 complete rounds each was part of the battery. Electro-hydraulic systems ensured gun laying as well as spade extraction and retraction, transition time from marching order into firing position and vice-versa being under 60 seconds. The crew was reduced from five plus one to four plus one, the commander and gunner travelling in the back turret, while the front cabin could eventually be equipped with some level of protection. This version obtained at least two export contracts, one from Burma and the other from Kenya, for 30 systems each.
The third generation system, known as the Nora 155mm M03 B52 / KI, has front and rear cabins armoured at Level 2. It is equipped with an optional 25 kW auxiliary power unit, allowing the gun to be operated even when the truck engine is shut down, and can be equipped with a remotely controlled turret for self defence. Reliability was increased thanks to the redesign of elements of the breech, breechblock and automatic loading system, while state-of-the-art fire control system and automated navigation system was installed. A TV camera allows to verify loading operations in the rear, while in its most evolved configuration it is equipped with an inertial navigation system. To increase accuracy, a muzzle velocity radar system capable of measuring a speed between 30 and 1500 m/s with a mean error of less than +/-0,5 % has also been installed, the gun reaching a 41.2 km range with ERFB-BB rounds, with a 56 km range expected with RA/BB ammunition currently in development. Hydraulic spades have been equipped with shock absorbers and crew reduced to only four members. The Serbian Army is carrying out final trials, acquisition awaiting budget availability. In late 2011 Yugoimport obtained a further order for 18 Nara howitzers.
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Soko 122mm:
In recent years Yugoimport increased its offer of wheeled artillery systems. One of those is the Soko SP RR 122, for Self Propelled Rapid Response, which is a scaled-down version of the Nora concept based on the FAP 2228 6×6 truck chassis, with a front cabin and a rear turret at Level 1 protection, but armed with a D30J 122 gun. The front cabin hosts the driver and commander while the gun turret accommodates the gunner on the right and the loader on the left. The five-tonne payload growth potential might be used in part to increase protection. An electro-hydraulic resting system and a semi-automatic loading system with pneumatic rammer reduce the crew workload. The gun accepts all D30 ammunition providing a range of 17.3 km with HE rounds and 21 km with HE/BBs, the laser-guided Kitolov-2M round being also usable for engaging moving targets. Unveiled in 2011, the Soko is a cheaper alternative to the Nora, keeping most of its features such as hydraulically operated spades and a fire control system that can be easily interfaced with a battle management system.
M09 105mm:
Yugoimport also developed a 105 mm version, known as M09, intended to fire all ammunition developed for the US M101 howitzer, with a maximum range of 15 km with HE ER rounds and 18 km with HE ER-BBs. To this end the new 33 calibre barrel and new breech developed for the improved version of the company’s M56A1 towed howitzer were adopted. Ammunition loading is manual, as well as trails folding. Compared to the 17-tonne combat weight of the Soko, the M09 is much lighter at only 12 tonnes. The gun mount is not turreted though and features only a shield protection on the 180° frontal arc. On the move, all five crew members are hosted in the forward cabin which features a Level 1 protection.
SORA 122mm:
Self-propelled howitzer 122mm SORA is intended for general fire support of brigade level units. It has been designed to fulfill requirements of the modern battlefield, which means that shoot-and-scoot principle is adopted as the main mode of operation.
Self-propelled howitzer SORA features whole upper part of 122mm howitzer D-30J mounted on the rear end of modified FAP 2026 BS/AV truck chassis. Main functions of the weapon system, such as navigation, gun lying, automatic loading of ammunition and deployment, are fully automatic.
SPECIFICATIONS:
Combat weight (kg) 18.000
Range with projectile (m):
– TF-462 15.300
– TF ER BT ХМ08 18.500
– TF ER BB ХМ09 21.500
Automatic loader integrated in main armament
On board ammunition (rounds) 40
Rate of fire (rds/min) 6
Gun control equipment electromechanical / manual
Laying range (°):
– elevation from -5 to +70
– traverse 25 left and right
Laying speed (°/s):
– elevation from 0,1 to 5
– traverse from 0,1 to 5
Power to weight ratio (kW/t) 10,68
Speed (km/h):
– road 80
– cross country 20
Cruising road range (km) 500
Time for deployment and redeployment (s) 90
Crew 3
In recent years Yugoimport increased its offer of wheeled artillery systems. One of those is the Soko SP RR 122, for Self Propelled Rapid Response, which is a scaled-down version of the Nora concept based on the FAP 2228 6×6 truck chassis, with a front cabin and a rear turret at Level 1 protection, but armed with a D30J 122 gun. The front cabin hosts the driver and commander while the gun turret accommodates the gunner on the right and the loader on the left. The five-tonne payload growth potential might be used in part to increase protection. An electro-hydraulic resting system and a semi-automatic loading system with pneumatic rammer reduce the crew workload. The gun accepts all D30 ammunition providing a range of 17.3 km with HE rounds and 21 km with HE/BBs, the laser-guided Kitolov-2M round being also usable for engaging moving targets. Unveiled in 2011, the Soko is a cheaper alternative to the Nora, keeping most of its features such as hydraulically operated spades and a fire control system that can be easily interfaced with a battle management system.
M09 105mm:
Yugoimport also developed a 105 mm version, known as M09, intended to fire all ammunition developed for the US M101 howitzer, with a maximum range of 15 km with HE ER rounds and 18 km with HE ER-BBs. To this end the new 33 calibre barrel and new breech developed for the improved version of the company’s M56A1 towed howitzer were adopted. Ammunition loading is manual, as well as trails folding. Compared to the 17-tonne combat weight of the Soko, the M09 is much lighter at only 12 tonnes. The gun mount is not turreted though and features only a shield protection on the 180° frontal arc. On the move, all five crew members are hosted in the forward cabin which features a Level 1 protection.
SORA 122mm:
Self-propelled howitzer 122mm SORA is intended for general fire support of brigade level units. It has been designed to fulfill requirements of the modern battlefield, which means that shoot-and-scoot principle is adopted as the main mode of operation.
Self-propelled howitzer SORA features whole upper part of 122mm howitzer D-30J mounted on the rear end of modified FAP 2026 BS/AV truck chassis. Main functions of the weapon system, such as navigation, gun lying, automatic loading of ammunition and deployment, are fully automatic.
SPECIFICATIONS:
Combat weight (kg) 18.000
Range with projectile (m):
– TF-462 15.300
– TF ER BT ХМ08 18.500
– TF ER BB ХМ09 21.500
Automatic loader integrated in main armament
On board ammunition (rounds) 40
Rate of fire (rds/min) 6
Gun control equipment electromechanical / manual
Laying range (°):
– elevation from -5 to +70
– traverse 25 left and right
Laying speed (°/s):
– elevation from 0,1 to 5
– traverse from 0,1 to 5
Power to weight ratio (kW/t) 10,68
Speed (km/h):
– road 80
– cross country 20
Cruising road range (km) 500
Time for deployment and redeployment (s) 90
Crew 3
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LRSVM Morava:
Development of Serbia's new LRSVM (Lanser Raketni Vishecevni Samokhodni Modularni) Morava modular multiple rocket launcher (MRL) is almost complete. Initial trials of the system vehicles started at the Jastrepac proving ground on 22 July, with the first 10 days earmarked mostly for tests of the mechanical, driving, and manoeuvring characteristics.
The first phase of these trials is due to end in August. Further trials are likely to follow and be completed by the end of the year, allowing serial production to begin in 2015.
During the recent Partner 2013 defence exhibition in Belgrade, the VTI (Voyno-Tehnicski Institut) Military-Technical Institute and its partners in the programme showed the latest version of the system's launch vehicle, and a prototype of the system's logistical vehicle. Both are based on the Serbian-made FAP 1118 BS/AV 4x4 truck chassis. An LRSVM Morava battery will consist of four self-propelled launchers and four logistical vehicles.
The self-propelled launcher is produced by FAP (chassis), IMK 14.oktobar (vehicle superstructure), VTI (unspecified automatic subsystems), and EI-Opec (the electronic launching subsystem). The logistical vehicle is produced by FAP (chassis), IMK 14.oktobar (crane) and Prva Petoletka Namenska (pump and hydraulic components). The launching pods are produced by INhrom.
VTI did not give details of the subsystems for which it is responsible, but these are probably electro-mechanical devices used to stabilise the vehicle and aim the rockets.
The self-propelled launcher has a modular design. It features an integrated command-and-control system but can conduct autonomous pre-programmed fire missions. The vehicle's primary navigation system is inertial, with a GPS satellite navigation receiver as the secondary navaid.
According to the VTI Military-Technical Institute, the fire-preparation time is 45 seconds, and the vehicle cam move off 30 seconds after firing its last rocket.
The system can use four different types of rocket:
- The 128 mm Plamen-A, with a range of 8.6 km
- The 128 mm Plamen-D, with a range of 12.6 km
- The 128 mm Oganj, with a range of 22.5 km
- The 122 mm Grad, with a range up to 35 km.
All types of rocket are fired from the appropriate pattern of multitube launch pod, and the mounting frame on the launch vehicle can carry two pods for the same calibre of rocket. The Plamen pod has 16 launch tubes, while the Oganj and Grad pods have 12 tubes.
The launcher and logistic vehicles shown at the exhibition featured redesigned launch pods for all rocket types. These had new patterns of launch tubes, and a box-like cover with a revised shape.
The development of suitable tubes was undertaken by the KOL-15N Inzenjering in Belgrade, while INhrom was responsible for serial production.
The first functional model of the new launcher tubes was made from ordinary steel. A block of four tubes was tested in November 2009 using Plamen-S rockets. These were followed in 2010 by long tubes for 128 mm Oganj rockets, and tubes for 122 mm Grad rockets. Both were made from standard steel. Wall thicknesses were 0.6 mm for the Oganj and Grad rockets, and 0.5 mm for the Plamen rockets.
Unfortunately, these steel tubes experienced a corrosion problem, so by the end of 2011 the material had been changed to stainless steel.
In January 2012, INhrom began production of tubes made from 0.6 mm thick stainless steel. Static tests of these began in March 2012 and led to the first firing trials in June of the same year.
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Development of Serbia's new LRSVM (Lanser Raketni Vishecevni Samokhodni Modularni) Morava modular multiple rocket launcher (MRL) is almost complete. Initial trials of the system vehicles started at the Jastrepac proving ground on 22 July, with the first 10 days earmarked mostly for tests of the mechanical, driving, and manoeuvring characteristics.
The first phase of these trials is due to end in August. Further trials are likely to follow and be completed by the end of the year, allowing serial production to begin in 2015.
During the recent Partner 2013 defence exhibition in Belgrade, the VTI (Voyno-Tehnicski Institut) Military-Technical Institute and its partners in the programme showed the latest version of the system's launch vehicle, and a prototype of the system's logistical vehicle. Both are based on the Serbian-made FAP 1118 BS/AV 4x4 truck chassis. An LRSVM Morava battery will consist of four self-propelled launchers and four logistical vehicles.
The self-propelled launcher is produced by FAP (chassis), IMK 14.oktobar (vehicle superstructure), VTI (unspecified automatic subsystems), and EI-Opec (the electronic launching subsystem). The logistical vehicle is produced by FAP (chassis), IMK 14.oktobar (crane) and Prva Petoletka Namenska (pump and hydraulic components). The launching pods are produced by INhrom.
VTI did not give details of the subsystems for which it is responsible, but these are probably electro-mechanical devices used to stabilise the vehicle and aim the rockets.
The self-propelled launcher has a modular design. It features an integrated command-and-control system but can conduct autonomous pre-programmed fire missions. The vehicle's primary navigation system is inertial, with a GPS satellite navigation receiver as the secondary navaid.
According to the VTI Military-Technical Institute, the fire-preparation time is 45 seconds, and the vehicle cam move off 30 seconds after firing its last rocket.
The system can use four different types of rocket:
- The 128 mm Plamen-A, with a range of 8.6 km
- The 128 mm Plamen-D, with a range of 12.6 km
- The 128 mm Oganj, with a range of 22.5 km
- The 122 mm Grad, with a range up to 35 km.
All types of rocket are fired from the appropriate pattern of multitube launch pod, and the mounting frame on the launch vehicle can carry two pods for the same calibre of rocket. The Plamen pod has 16 launch tubes, while the Oganj and Grad pods have 12 tubes.
The launcher and logistic vehicles shown at the exhibition featured redesigned launch pods for all rocket types. These had new patterns of launch tubes, and a box-like cover with a revised shape.
The development of suitable tubes was undertaken by the KOL-15N Inzenjering in Belgrade, while INhrom was responsible for serial production.
The first functional model of the new launcher tubes was made from ordinary steel. A block of four tubes was tested in November 2009 using Plamen-S rockets. These were followed in 2010 by long tubes for 128 mm Oganj rockets, and tubes for 122 mm Grad rockets. Both were made from standard steel. Wall thicknesses were 0.6 mm for the Oganj and Grad rockets, and 0.5 mm for the Plamen rockets.
Unfortunately, these steel tubes experienced a corrosion problem, so by the end of 2011 the material had been changed to stainless steel.
In January 2012, INhrom began production of tubes made from 0.6 mm thick stainless steel. Static tests of these began in March 2012 and led to the first firing trials in June of the same year.
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