Pakistan to build a Nuclear submarine

[I S I]

Why are you shitstorming about it? Lol

Stop being Jelous dude.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

We don't need nuclear powered submarine. Our enemy is only India, which is just few centimeter away from border.
We should spend money in defense missile shield which is inevitable for us in any war scenario. We need good medium and long range Land to air missile system.
While diesel powered submarines can give tough challenge to india in any scenario. And it give us good second strike capability.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Stop being Jelous dude.

there is nothing to be jealous of... i dont believe it until a credible source is provided.

AIP tech subs that pakistan is buying are enough... invest the money on missile defence system to make your skies inpenetrable... cause currently india is more on the numbers game.

 

[Hassan Guy]

No matter what the Indians think, This Nuclear Powered Submarine that can fire Nuclear Capable Missiles Will be Built.

Someone call AQ Khan mannnnn

 

[Pathan khan]

As Pakistan is building sea based babur cruise missile. It will give Pakistan second strike capability.

 

[Super Falcon]

Ahista 90b cannot be used as nuke subs

Nuke subs mean powered by nuclear reactor it means sub should be twice as big as Acosta and must be new bigger design verticallaunched 6 to 12 nuclear missile of new technology for underwater use us required

2 subs approx cost some where around 2.5 billion

Underwater nuclear missiles are totally different than standard ones but boy they pack a huge punch this is why submarine are lethal weapon you might lost your entire army airforce navy but if you have nuke sub lurking around enemy waters enemy sleeps are not over may be with one hit you win a lost war thus is why nuclear sub is most destructive weapon ever produced at number 1 in my last total annihilation

 

[wiseone2]

No matter what the Indians think, This Nuclear Powered Submarine that can fire Nuclear Capable Missiles Will be Built.

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Someone call AQ Khan mannnnn

you have to afford to operate it

Ahista 90b cannot be used as nuke subs

Nuke subs mean powered by nuclear reactor it means sub should be twice as big as Acosta and must be new bigger design verticallaunched 6 to 12 nuclear missile of new technology for underwater use us required

2 subs approx cost some where around 2.5 billion

Underwater nuclear missiles are totally different than standard ones but boy they pack a huge punch this is why submarine are lethal weapon you might lost your entire army airforce navy but if you have nuke sub lurking around enemy waters enemy sleeps are not over may be with one hit you win a lost war thus is why nuclear sub is most destructive weapon ever produced at number 1 in my last total annihilation

ability to any country to wipe out pakistani nukes without killing millions of pakistani civllians is zero
assuming pakistani nukes are solely to deter india you do not need a nuclear arsenal on submarines

 

[GumNaam]

The military rumor mill has it that the submarine launched ballistic missile test by north korea was actually a test conducted by Pakistan from north korean shores. Not sure how trustworthy this rumor is but the reasoning cited is that since north korea does not possess the technology to develop compact missiles like Pakistan does. But who knows.

 

[I S I]

The military rumor mill has it that the submarine launched ballistic missile test by north korea was actually a test conducted by Pakistan from north korean shores. Not sure how trustworthy this rumor is but the reasoning cited is that since north korea does not possess the technology to develop compact missiles like Pakistan does. But who knows.

Dude seriously?

 

[GumNaam]

Dude seriously?

Hey i made it clear that is just from rumor mill. So don't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.

 

[Super Falcon]

Well not necessarily. The smallest nuclear submarine is the American NR-1, at only 147 ft in length. She is unarmed, but serves as a special missions submarine for underwater espionage and other clandestine activities:

The American Skate Class submarines were among the smallest operational nuclear attack submarines ever deployed. At a mear 267 ft, these nuclear boats are only 20 ft longer then Pakistan's Agosta 90Bs. Skate is 6 ft wider and displaced more then 1000 tons more then an Agosta 90B

Their replacement the Skipjack class were even smaller, at 252 feet, but is wider and displaces more then Skate:

The French Rubis Class is only 241 ft in length, about 1000 tons greater in displacement and is also 6 ft wider then an Agosta:

One interesting thing about the Rubis Class? Their hull was derived from the Agosta Class Submarines and features nearly identical fire control system and sonar systems. The nuclear reactor and shielding adds some weight and length, but the basic Agosta design was used to make the Rubis Class submarines:

So nuclear submarines can be the size of Agosta, but these are generally older designs. Modern nuclear submarines like the UK's Astute Class are significantly larger at 318 ft, 37 ft wide and displacing 8600 tons:

The American Virginia's are even larger:

But a small, capable nuclear submarine of similar size to Agosta can be done and has been successfully designed and operationalized, it's just not usually what nuclear submarine capable nations go for these days.



What missile exactly, beyond a nuclear capable, submarine launched version of Babur? Certainly not that American made Trident D5. Pakistan needs to develop such a weapon in concern with a nuclear submarine, as it does no good to have one but not the other.

Pakistan has neither and the cost of operating either system would eat deep into the PN's budget. There's little evidence to support the notion that Pakistan is building a nuclear submarine. There's even less to support any notion that it has submarine launched nuclear missiles. Testing such a platform would be noticed by the Americans, India and other players concerned about the spread of nuclear weapons, either internationally or domestically.

I find arming the S20 with a nuclear capable Babur or similar weapon rather then the development of an SSBN or SSB (conventional ballistic missile submarine like NK's Sinpo Class) to be a more prudent course of action:

Similar to what Israel does with nuclear armed variants of Popeye and their Dolphin Class submarines. It's cheaper to build, operate and arm.

You are not getting my point in your all examples all subs were larger and wider. Than ahista sub

Reason is it has to house a nuclear reactor
Reason why we need a nuclear reactor in sub

The missiles on nuke sub are vertical and are pretty heavy and you must put 6 of nuke missiles and 16 torpedoes it is ten times higher what agosta can carry diesel or AIP powered subs cannot carry that much load so only option is nuclear reactor

Nuclear reactor itself a very heavy so size of sub should be significantly be bigger wider than agosta so it cannot be agosta sub

New design new system from the scratch

Yes agosta building experience will be counted but it is different sub

Or we can lease one sun from china better faster option to learn how we operate giants

you have to afford to operate it



ability to any country to wipe out pakistani nukes without killing millions of pakistani civllians is zero
assuming pakistani nukes are solely to deter india you do not need a nuclear arsenal on submarines

We need Thor's strike capability

 

[wiseone2]

We need Thor's strike capability

it is much easier to knock your nukes in the ocean

 

[wiseone2]

Title is misleading.

Pakistan cannot build a nuclear submarine which implies a nuclear powered submarine.

They are simply loading a couple of nuclear tipped Cruise Missiles into a conventional submarine.

That is easy
Nuclear submarine implies nuclear powered on e

 

[GumNaam]

That is easy
Nuclear submarine implies nuclear powered on e

Agreed. The other is called a ballistic missile submarine.

 

[The Diplomat]

When's this nuclear sub meant to be in service by?