Gokdogan beyond visual range air to air missile succes test

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1546100916000014339

On of the benefit will be we can make as much as we want, America does not givemore then 100 missiles because of the power balanc. We can put it every platform we want.

 

[alphapak]

On of the benefit will be we can make as much as we want, America does not givemore then 100 missiles because of the power balanc. We can put it every platform we want.

Great news, what is the range of this missile?

 

[dBSPL]

AKDOĞAN: Short range, super-maneuverable IIR missile. It can be carry in large quantities by UAVs and Hurjet type light attack jets. It is estimated that will be used against rotary wings and UCAVs and as anti-missile missiles.



GÖKTUĞ Air-Air Missile Systems Group (Bozdoğan and Gökdoğan)

BOZDOĞAN: super-maneuverable, Within Visual Range IIR missile. Engagement distance given for Block-1 is +25km. Deliveries to the Air Force begin in 2022.

GÖKDOĞAN: Active RF seeker and beyond visual range engagement capabable missile. Engagement distance given for Block-1 is +65/+70km (there are two sources) Engagement distance given for Block-2 is +100km. Block-1 deliveries begin this year.



GÖKHAN: Ramjet propelled long-range and hypersonic A-to-Air missile. Engagement range will be 100 km minimum from block-1. There is not much information about the project reflected in open sources.

Aircrafts will not be the only use for these missiles. SAGE is also working on a NASAMS-like system that uses GÖKDOĞAN and BOZDOĞAN missiles.

 

[Oublious]

Great news, what is the range of this missile?

The first Gokdogan block will replace older B version of Amraam, we al ready have a lot of C5/C7 Amraam. The range of a missile, what about it?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

A great news for the PAF too for its F-16s can use them too if necessary....

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

A great news for the PAF too for its F-16s can use them too if necessary....

I doubt the PAF will be able to upgrade its F-16s. However, since the PAF is reportedly working on in-house AESA radars, it might be able to pair these Turkish AAMs to said radars as part of a JF-17 upgrade.

 

[FuturePAF]

I doubt the PAF will be able to upgrade its F-16s. However, since the PAF is reportedly working on in-house AESA radars, it might be able to pair these Turkish AAMs to said radars as part of a JF-17 upgrade.

Especially the GoKhan Missile of it outranges the Meteor (which I hope is a goal for the Turks considering they will be facing the meteor on Greek Rafales)

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Especially the GoKhan Missile of it outranges the Meteor (which I hope is a goal for the Turks considering they will be facing the meteor on Greek Rafales)

The Gökhan would indeed be a gamechanger for sure.

I hope the PAF makes its intentions clear and signs onto the TAI TFX program along with each of Turkey's next-gen munitions. With the right policies, we could see the program drive investment toward Pakistan's private sector and drive some reforms in our SOEs (esp NESCOM) to produce real R&D partnerships.

 

[aziqbal]

where is the motor engine of the missile made?

 

[Wergeland]

AKDOĞAN: Short range, super-maneuverable IIR missile. It can be carry in large quantities by UAVs and Hurjet type light attack jets. It is estimated that will be used against rotary wings and UCAVs and as anti-missile missiles.



GÖKTUĞ Air-Air Missile Systems Group (Bozdoğan and Gökdoğan)

BOZDOĞAN: super-maneuverable, Within Visual Range IIR missile. Engagement distance given for Block-1 is +25km. Deliveries to the Air Force begin in 2022.

GÖKDOĞAN: Active RF seeker and beyond visual range engagement capabable missile. Engagement distance given for Block-1 is +65/+70km (there are two sources) Engagement distance given for Block-2 is +100km. Block-1 deliveries begin this year.



GÖKHAN: Ramjet propelled long-range and hypersonic A-to-Air missile. Engagement range will be 100 km minimum from block-1. There is not much information about the project reflected in open sources.

Aircrafts will not be the only use for these missiles. SAGE is also working on a NASAMS-like system that uses GÖKDOĞAN and BOZDOĞAN missiles.

Is GOKHAN the same as GOKTUG missile ?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

where is the motor engine of the missile made?

Türkiye

 

[Oublious]

Especially the GoKhan Missile of it outranges the Meteor (which I hope is a goal for the Turks considering they will be facing the meteor on Greek Rafales)

Wtf do you people have with range? The important what makes these missiles is sensor, GOKHAN will have two way data-link. Meteor does not have that, what means you can only direct the missile to a target. With two DATA-LINK AWACS or another weapon system can guide the missile maybe MILGEM? Or a TB2 if they put a AESA radar in the future. Range is absolute in modern warfare, i never saw Americans talking about range. THey lack with range but they are superior with sensor technology.

They want to hit a air to air missile with air to air missile. They are working on active seeker with MMW technology so they can hit a bullet with bullet in the sky. GOKDOGAN is superior when it comes to sensor technology against old METEOR missile. Imagine a F16 fires GOKDAGAN with no radar but 50km further a KizilElma is targeting the missile. Thats is superior technology and not ooooo what is the range of the missile....

where is the motor engine of the missile made?

Turkish...

 

[blain2]

Wtf do you people have with range? The important what makes these missiles is sensor, GOKHAN will have two way data-link. Meteor does not have that, what means you can only direct the missile to a target. With two DATA-LINK AWACS or another weapon system can guide the missile maybe MILGEM? Or a TB2 if they put a AESA radar in the future. Range is absolute in modern warfare, i never saw Americans talking about range. THey lack with range but they are superior with sensor technology.

They want to hit a air to air missile with air to air missile. They are working on active seeker with MMW technology so they can hit a bullet with bullet in the sky. GOKDOGAN is superior when it comes to sensor technology against old METEOR missile. Imagine a F16 fires GOKDAGAN with no radar but 50km further a KizilElma is targeting the missile. Thats is superior technology and not ooooo what is the range of the missile....




Turkish...

Oublious, range gives "first shot" options. This is a huge benefit in BVR combat. Given that we have had very recent, actual combat experience in BVR combat, the first shot option is not to be taken lightly. You want your pilots to shoot and scoot (fire and forget from ranges that your adversary does not enjoy) even before your adversary sees you and gets a shot off.

You may have better sensors and a higher chance of kill with your missile, but if you are outgunned in terms of range, you don't want your pilots exposing themselves to the greater range of their adversary's BVRAAM even if your own missiles have better sensors and guidance.

For PAF, this first-shot capability is extremely important and I am sure lessons learnt in 2019 have been shared between the PAF and TuAF.

 

[Oublious]

Oublious, range gives "first shot" options. This is a huge thing in BVR combat. Given that we have had very recent, actual combat experience in BVR combat, the first shot option is not to be taken lightly. You want your pilots to shoot and scoot (fire and forget from ranges that your adversary does not enjoy) even before your adversary sees you and gets a shot off.

You may have better sensors and a higher chance of kill with your missile, but if you are outgunned in terms of range, you don't want your pilots exposing themselves to the greater range of their adversary's BVRAAM even if your own missiles have better sensors and guidance.

For PAF, this first-shot capability is extremely important and I am sure lessons learnt in 2019 have been shared between the PAF and TuAF.

You can not shoot a fighter from 100km or 150km far away thats a mythology, specially stealth is coming. Undetected sneaking to your enemy is the future, you people live in the past.

 

[SQ8]

You can not shoot a fighter from 100km or 150km far away thats a mythology, specially stealth is coming. Undetected sneaking to your enemy is the future, you people live in the past.

Yes you can and has been proven in tests and by inference in combat too. The Phoenix was killing missile sized drones at 60kms in the late 1970s.
When the AMRAAM came out the idea of guaranteed kills at 30- 40km seemed unproven until it was.

Stealth isn’t invisibility, it’s making it difficult to see sooner.

Stealth reduces the range at which you can shoot because you cannot see the target or get a good lock on it sooner, but it doesn’t reduce the impact of a longer ranged system because a missile capable of a Kill probability of 80% at 100km will likely have a kill probability of 95% at 40km or more.

Moreover, how many countries have stealth?
F-35 operators, Russia(token), China and then Turkey whenever it has its operational.

Even by 2040 apart from the USAF stealth aircraft will not represent the majority of a combat fleet for most countries. Long range BVR sniping will be the name of the game