Azerbaijan-i Victory: Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia sign Nagorno-Karabakh peace deal

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Guess the mental conditions of our neighborhood..

Hindutva dum&f*cks.. .


Well done Azerbaijan..... all right thinking people are proud of your victory and wishes you a prosperous future.

 

[vostok]

It was expected. Armenia stood no real chance in this conflict, they had no real big power backing them per se. While Azerbaijan played it's cards right by making sure they forged good Cordial ties with Israel, Turkey and even Russia. Without counting the presence of Syrian mercenaries who came to fight for Azerbaïdjan as well. Armenia by contrast was poorly armed, and isolated with no real backer. I'm even surprised they lasted this long. Lol
This should be a lesson to other countries(yes Iran I'm looking at you) to Always make sure you have a big power by your side who fully backs you or better still if you can have more than one it's even better. . It helps a lot in times of need . Moreover Armenia needs to review it's defence and rearm it's military properly. They are outmatched and outclassed in every field by Azerbaijan in terms of military equipment. This deal is the best they could have gotten. Else they might have lost the entire region in my opinion. Lol

If Armenia had noone to back her, Turkey and Azerbaijan would divided Armenia in about 1 month, lets be realistic. Armenia had full defence guarantee, but Karabakh is not included - even Armenia herself have not recognized Karabakh. Armenians are backing to their homes in Karabakh and Russian peece-keepers are securing new borders.

 

[Pandora]

The stupid armenia invited the american and anger Russia. I have say much earlier but many refused to believe and keep claiming Russian will help armenia. Russia is intact neutral and friendly to azerbaijan too.

Doesn't matter. The fact azerbaijan can keep their recapture lands more or less confirmed their victory. Remember , it's a cease fire and not permanent border deal.

Armenia invited US after Russia declined to intervene their security agreement. Russia doesnt want to confront Turkey directly bc z doing so will make them jump back to US camp. It is very likely that it will happen anyway if biden come to office. The main deciding factor here was turkey who overtly supported Azerbaijan while Armenia was left there hanging dry.

 

[Meengla]

There's no question that Armenia has lost..
A most striking part of the agreement is that Turkey and Azerbaijan will have a land corridor connecting them through Armenian territory for the first time! It'll be a narrow passage guarded by russian troops.. perhaps also by Turkish troops.

Also Azerbaijan would have captured all of NK after the fall of Shusha/i but supposedly the downing of the Russian heli was a mistake which Russia could have exploited.

The agreement is a mini version of big powers classic backdoor deal where Armenia is humiliated while Turkey and Russia are on the top!!

 

[waqasmwi]

Because all the territory will be returned. Why fight when you don't have to

Not all but what they captured during the conflict

 

[CatSultan]

Tanks have no place in future battle

I don't think this is true. Their probably will be less of them and they will be designed to be more stealthy and fast. enemy drones can't take out your tanks if their too busy fighting with friendly drones. Also Armenia didn't have a good ADS. If your fighting a country with a good air defense system, capable drones and air force then I think the war will be less one sided towards drone strikes.

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't think this is true. Their probably will be less of them and they will be designed to be more stealthy and fast. enemy drones can't take out your tanks if their too busy fighting with friendly drones. Also Armenia didn't have a good ADS. If your fighting a country with a good air defense system, capable drones and air force then I think the war will be less one sided towards drone strikes.

British army was the 1st to introduce them. Now they are the 1st yo say they are abandoning them. They announced this about a fortnight ago. The NK fight between Turkish drones and Armenian tanks showed who is boss

 

[CatSultan]

British army was the 1st to introduce them. Now they are the 1st yo say they are abandoning them. They announced this about a fortnight ago. The NK fight between Turkish drones and Armenian tanks showed who is boss

The Netherlands also scraped its tank force but then rebuilt it. Same will happen for the Brits. Just because their the first people to make tanks doesn't mean that 100 years later they are still the masters of armored warfare.

 

[Trango Towers]

The Netherlands also scraped its tank force but then rebuilt it. Same will happen for the Brits. Just because their the first people to make tanks doesn't mean that 100 years later they are still the masters of armored warfare.

That was then. Now you will get drones operated by kids killing armour and troops thousands of miles away. Mini drones are the future

loitering munitions drones - Google Search

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[alphapak]

Now what all those Indian hindus that were supporting Armenia would do now??

Back to bootlicking French I guess

They will do what they are good at, that is telling lies and making a bollywood movie
where Armenia shoots down 100 Azeri F16's.

 

[CatSultan]

That was then. Now you will get drones operated by kids killing armour and troops thousands of miles away. Mini drones are the future

loitering munitions drones - Google Search

www.google.com

Unless the Armour has APS. Or you don't have complete Air Superiority. Or the enemy has a good ADS. Their are a lot of "ifs" and "buts". I think drones are good and will play a big part in future warfare but their not invincible. Turkey has lost a ton of drones in Syria even though Syria's ADS is outdated and old. A good modern ADS combined with APS on tanks could take out so many drones that it negates the cheap costs of drone swarming.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Congrats to Azerbijan Nation for freeing their land

 

[FuturePAF]

The Sound of Victory

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia sign Nagorno-Karabakh peace deal
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media captionWhat a peace deal means for Nagorno-Karabakh
Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia have signed an agreement to end military conflict over the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.
Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan called the deal "incredibly painful both for me and both for our people".
It follows six weeks of fighting between Azerbaijan and ethnic Armenians.
The region is internationally recognised as Azerbaijani but has been run by ethnic Armenians since 1994.
A Russian-brokered truce was signed at the end of the war in the early 1990s but there was no peace deal.
Although both sides took steps to reduce tensions last year, fighting erupted at the end of September and several attempts to end the conflict failed.
The new ceasefire agreement prompted anger in Armenia, as protesters stormed the parliament, beating up the speaker and reportedly looting the prime minister's office.
What has been agreed?
The peace deal, which was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Armenia's prime minister, took effect on Tuesday from 01:00 local time (21:00 GMT Monday).
Under the deal, Azerbaijan will hold on to areas of Nagorno-Karabakh that it has taken during the conflict. Armenia has also agreed to withdraw from several other adjacent areas over the next few weeks.

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The BBC's Orla Guerin in Baku says that, overall, the deal should be read as a victory for Azerbaijan and a defeat for Armenia.
During a televised online address, President Putin said that Russian peacekeepers would be deployed to patrol the front line.
Russia's defence ministry confirmed that 1,960 personnel would be involved and reports said planes had left an airbase at Ulyanovsk on Tuesday carrying peacekeepers and armoured personnel carriers to Karabakh. Part of their role will be to guard the "Lachin corridor", which links the Karabakh capital, Stepanakert, to Armenia.
Turkey will also take part in the peacekeeping process, according to Azerbaijan's president, who joined President Putin during the address.

media captionArmenians on the front line in Nagorno-Karabakh
President Putin said the agreement would include an exchange of war prisoners, with "all economical and transport contacts to be unblocked."

Jubilant scenes in Azerbaijan
By Orla Guerin, BBC News, Baku
There is a mood of national celebration in Baku. At Martyrs' Alley - a memorial to Azerbaijan's fallen soldiers - there are surging crowds among a sea of flags.
There is a real sense here that a key victory has been achieved after a very long fight. Groups are breaking out in chants and singing the national anthem.

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image captionThere were street celebrations in Baku in response to the peace deal
Two young students are holding a homemade sign that reads: "Tell the world we are coming home." It is a home they have never seen. Their parents were driven from Nagorno-Karabakh almost 30 years ago, but now they intend to move there to build a new life.
Asked if they could imagine living side by side with Armenians, one replied that this might take decades. "Our children may see this," she told me.

How have leaders reacted?
President Aliyev said the agreement was of "historic importance," and amounted to a "capitulation" by Armenia.

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image captionArmenian separatist forces have steadily lost territory to Azerbaijan since fighting broke out
Armenia's prime minister said that his decision had been based on "deep analyses of the combat situation and in discussion with best experts of the field".
"This is not a victory but there is not defeat until you consider yourself defeated," Mr Pashinyan said.

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image captionIn protest at the deal, large crowds stormed the government headquarters in Yerevan
The Armenian leader in Nagorno-Karabakh, Arayik Harutyunyan, said a ceasefire had been unavoidable after the loss of Karabakh's second biggest town, Shusha (known as Shushi in Armenian).
Battles were already taking place on the outskirts of Karabakh's main city, Stepanakert, and if the conflict had continued the whole of Karabakh would have been lost, he said on Facebook. "We would have far more losses," he said.
In the Armenian capital Yerevan, a large crowd gathered to protest against the agreement, according to local media. They broke into parliament and government buildings, shouting "We will not give it up."
Protesters ransacked the prime minister's official residence and Mr Pashinyan said they "stole a computer, a clock, perfume, drivers licence and other items".

Defeat sparks crisis in Armenia
By Yuri Vendik, BBC Russian, Yerevan
It was a night of unrest and upset in Armenia's capital, where crowds of protesters stormed government buildings and the country's parliament.
But by Tuesday morning, that anger appeared to have died down.
Leading politicians, with the exception of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, are in talks to find a way out of this deep crisis. And this is a crisis: the defeat in Nagorno-Karabakh is a devastating one
The protesters who gathered here overnight accused the government of betrayal. They believed the fighting should have continued until the end and they were confident of victory.
But in Nagorno-Karabakh itself there was no such optimism. The leadership of the enclave earlier admitted that, had the fighting continued, the main city of Stepanakert would have been lost within days.

What's happened during the conflict?
The Armenians steadily lost territory and significantly over the weekend Azerbaijani forces took over Shusha.
Azerbaijan also admitted to mistakenly shooting down a Russian military helicopter over Armenia, killing two crew members and injuring a third.

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image captionBoth sides have accused each other of shelling civilian areas
It is unclear exactly how many have died. Both sides deny targeting civilians but accuse the other of doing so.
Nagorno-Karabakh's authorities say nearly 1,200 of its defence forces have died in the fighting, and civilians have also been killed or injured.
Azerbaijan has not released its military casualty figures but has said more than 80 civilians were killed in the fighting - including 21 in a missile strike on the town of Barda last month.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said last month that almost 5,000 people had been killed in the fighting.

What ties does Russia have to both sides?
Russia has a military base in Armenia, and the two countries are members of the Moscow-led Collective Security Treaty Organization.
The treaty envisages Russia's military support if Armenia is attacked - but it does not include Nagorno-Karabakh or the other Azerbaijani regions around it seized by Armenian forces.
At the same time, Moscow also has strong ties to Azerbaijan, which is being openly backed by Turkey, a Nato member. Russia has been selling weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia sign Nagorno-Karabakh peace deal

Armenia accepts an "incredibly painful" truce after six weeks of fighting in the disputed enclave.

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Supposedly, according to the deal, a large bit of the occupied territory will be ceded to Azerbaijan, and it will bring the war to an end. It comes after Azerbaijan took control of the second largest city, Shushi, in Karabagh, just two to four days ago.

The Azan was sounded in Shushi for the first time after nearly three decades.

old news....published on november!

 

[tower9]

Armenia will arm itself to teeth now...

No it won't, not in any meaningful way that will tip the balance against Azerbaijan, which has a population and economy 3x larger and backed by a far larger power to the west of Armenia.

Armenia's leader, Pashinyan is a Soros stooge who has severely miscalculated the geopolitical realities of the region and has spurned even Russia, Armenia's historic ally. This has left Armenia in the most isolated place as ever before and this is why Aliyev sought this opportunity to attack now.

I feel bad for the Armenians but their leadership is terrible.

It was expected. Armenia stood no real chance in this conflict, they had no real big power backing them per se. While Azerbaijan played it's cards right by making sure they forged good Cordial ties with Israel, Turkey and even Russia. Without counting the presence of Syrian mercenaries who came to fight for Azerbaïdjan as well. Armenia by contrast was poorly armed, and isolated with no real backer. I'm even surprised they lasted this long. Lol
This should be a lesson to other countries(yes Iran I'm looking at you) to Always make sure you have a big power by your side who fully backs you or better still if you can have more than one it's even better. . It helps a lot in times of need . Moreover Armenia needs to review it's defence and rearm it's military properly. They are outmatched and outclassed in every field by Azerbaijan in terms of military equipment. This deal is the best they could have gotten. Else they might have lost the entire region in my opinion. Lol

This loss was another death knell for neoliberalism, an empty self deluding ideology that makes victims of its pawns, of which Armenia was clearly one.

If Armenia had noone to back her, Turkey and Azerbaijan would divided Armenia in about 1 month, lets be realistic. Armenia had full defence guarantee, but Karabakh is not included - even Armenia herself have not recognized Karabakh. Armenians are backing to their homes in Karabakh and Russian peece-keepers are securing new borders.

Armenia's leadership was extremely foolish in three ways.

1. Wasting the last three decades and failing to develop their economy and military.

2. Failing to achieve any diplomatic settlement with the Nagorno Karabakh issue, resting on laurels of success in the 90s. Maintaining a false sense of superiority and complacency towards the Azeris because of it and failing to see the clear development and self strengthening of Azerbaijan.

3. Electing rulers who sold out the country to Soros and the Neoliberals, spurning ties with Russia and isolating the country even further.