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Here is my understandings:
Batch Production- A production system in which a process is broken down to seperate operations that are completed as a batch before moving to the next production stage. Generally all the major parts which make up an aircraft is divided as the phases such as fuselage,tail,wings,landing gear,engine and flight control systems. In JF-17 production, it has divided into 8 (according to MuradK) in PAC.
The term "Small Batch Production" here refers not the prototype thingy used for testing purpose rather the definitive design which has to be delivered (Its already in the squadron).
After all this , Mr.Nabil is claiming that
Small production aircraft do not take part in a full fledge military exercise like Azm-e-Nau..... Anything else you wan to know??
An absurd comment to made with a serving aircraft.
Sir TaimiKhan
Have you any information with the RD-93 Engine how much JF-17 can pick load ?
and if we use WS-13 then how much JF-17 can carry ?
Well the weapon load is somewhere around 3,800-4,000KG, the figure that i know. I know the official figure is somewhere 3,600KG, but due to usage of composites and increased thrust, the weapon load bearing has been increased.
you used word has been so its already increases or going to be increased in future
and composites are already used on thunder or going to be used in future....
TK..Dont you think 4000 KG is enough weight to carry....Why do we need more.....I mean if a plane carrying let say 4 1000lb Bombs....it will make 470*4 = 1880.......And assuming the missile are 30 to 40 KG each (i really don't know the real weight, Correct me if i am understating it) .....4 missiles *40 = 160 KGComposites have already been started to be used, but to a lesser extend, with passage of time, the percentage will increase further.
Currently JF-17 can take up load upto 3,800-4,000KG and as time goes by and if we did get a more powerful engine, it will go up further.
With more powerful engine as well as more composites, the weapon load can go to 5,000KG or even more.
TK..Dont you think 4000 KG is enough weight to carry....Why do we need more.....I mean if a plane carrying let say 4 1000lb Bombs....it will make 470*4 = 1880.......And assuming the missile are 30 to 40 KG each (i really don't know the real weight, Correct me if i am understating it) .....4 missiles *40 = 160 KG
So with 4 1000lb bombs and 4 missiles....
1880+160 = 2040 .......We still have almost 2000KG free.......
Grippen can take a 5,000+KG weapon load and the Grippen NG will take around 6,000KG.
The more weapon load capacity, the better.
As aircraft then can go up with external fuel tanks, as well as with its weapon payload.
Check out pictures of a fully loaded Grippen C/D model and then the Grippen NG, you will see the difference.
An aircraft flies up not just with its weapon load, it needs external fuel tanks also, which weight a lot.
One SD-10 BVR missile weights somewhere like 200KG, while the WVR missiles weight like 100KG+ depending on the model and variant.
In future JF-17 would be needing MERs to carry greater quantity of weapons which would also increase the weight also.
With greater weapon load, it can carry more heavier weapons, like anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles in a single sortie, instead of a single weapon.
Lots of benefits for a higher weapon load.
Grippen can take a 5,000+KG weapon load and the Grippen NG will take around 6,000KG.
The more weapon load capacity, the better.
As aircraft then can go up with external fuel tanks, as well as with its weapon payload.
Check out pictures of a fully loaded Grippen C/D model and then the Grippen NG, you will see the difference.
An aircraft flies up not just with its weapon load, it needs external fuel tanks also, which weight a lot.
One SD-10 BVR missile weights somewhere like 200KG, while the WVR missiles weight like 100KG+ depending on the model and variant.
In future JF-17 would be needing MERs to carry greater quantity of weapons which would also increase the weight also.
With greater weapon load, it can carry more heavier weapons, like anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles in a single sortie, instead of a single weapon.
Lots of benefits for a higher weapon load.
Grippen can take a 5,000+KG weapon load and the Grippen NG will take around 6,000KG.
The more weapon load capacity, the better.
As aircraft then can go up with external fuel tanks, as well as with its weapon payload.
Check out pictures of a fully loaded Grippen C/D model and then the Grippen NG, you will see the difference.
Yes, but MERs would mostly be used lets say for the SRAAMs or BVR missiles which shouldn't weigh more than 250kg in any case.
The problem is that because the strongest part of the airframe is right under the fuselage or right next to it, the those 3 hard-points are taken up by fuel tanks, which doesn't leave any space for Anti-ship or cruise missiles which weigh a lot. We cannot put heavy weapons like those under wing.
So even if we use composites, the total amount of weapons carried is not just determined by the engine output but also what the aircraft airframe can take.
Su-30 can carry anti-ship missiles under the wings while JF-17 can't, for example.
For precisely this reason there is no point in making JF-17 carry heavy loads, it's mostly a A-A fighter, so PAF better concentrate on Air to air weapons and avionics. We need J-10 for heavy role and as seen by its 11 hard-points and stronger air frame, we might use those for bombing runs while Jf-17 provide escorts .
F-16s can be used for backup or air-interdiction roles..
Actually not the increased payload makes Gripen NG interesting, but the airframe changes that increased the number of heavy stations.
This difference with the increased internal fuel makes it way more comparable to medium class fighters, than just some more payload.
An actual JF 17 design with increased payload can still carry only fuel tanks, or heavy weapons on 1 x centerline and 2 x wing stations. Gripen NG instead has 2 + 2 heavy weapon stations for fuel, or weapons now, one have to admit that this is a pretty clever solution by the Swedes!