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Massed Turkish drone and artillery strikes against Syrian tanks and armoured vehicles have major implications for the viability of traditional armoured manoeuvre warfare on the modern battlefield
33 Turkish soldiers were killed on the night of 27 February in an airstrike in Idlib, northern Syria. The precision strike was an uncharacteristically competent operation by what Russian and Turkish diplomats insisted were Syrian military aircraft. Whether undertaken by Moscow or Damascus, the intent was clearly to suppress Turkish forces, allowing the Syrian government to occupy the final rebel redoubt. It was a calculation that backfired spectacularly.

Over the following 48 hours Ankara unleashed UAV and artillery strikes across Idlib against Syrian regime forces. Footage released by the Turkish military clearly shows that they destroyed dozens of Syrian Army armoured vehicles and killed over a hundred soldiers. The diplomatic repercussions remain to be seen, but the military lessons of Turkey’s onslaught pose serious questions for future concepts of operation. In short, armoured vehicles on the modern battlefield cannot hide.

Ever since their invention in the First World War, the armoured vehicle has enabled protected mobility around the battlefield by being impervious to most weapons systems. By the Second World War it usually took a competing tank or anti-tank gun to knock out armour, and except against the most heavily armoured tanks, the gunner that saw, fired, and hit first was likely to prevail. Indirect fire, and particularly airpower, if queued against static or exposed vehicles, could be devastating, but for the most part tanks were primarily threatened in the direct fire zone. The periodic nature of the threat from airpower – assuming that the airspace was still to some extent contested – could be mitigated by effective camouflage.

Today, these dynamics do not hold. The ubiquitous availability of highly attritable and high-fidelity surveillance and reconnaissance assets, from electronic and multispectral sensing, to video feeds from UAVs, leaves little room to hide. Modern camouflage designed to reduce the electromagnetic signature beyond the visible spectrum can render armored vehicles less obvious to passive surveillance, but generally fall short of concealing vehicles from more determined observation. Turkey’s domestically produced Bayraktar and Anka UAVs had little difficulty in picking out Syrian armour amidst Idlib’s sparse terrain, and then following their movements. Once found, vehicles can also be targeted by increasingly precise and tailored munitions, whether delivered by the UAV, or from afar.

It is fair to say that Western armies have to a large extent been in denial about the impact of these capabilities. Awaiting a revolution in swarm technology and AI, Western forces have largely overlooked the fact that it is the density of sensors that is decisively reshaping the battlefield. Of course, much criticism can be leveled at the Syrian forces for their poor vehicle handling, lack of camouflage, and tendency to bunch up in targetable laagers. However extensive testing in the US and UK has consistently shown that Western vehicles are not much harder to find. The deep and unmistakable tracks that armoured vehicles cut in the ground leave a trail that UAVs can follow, and the fishhook turn leaves little doubt as to which woodblock the vehicle has entered, even if it has subsequently set up multi-spectral screens and camouflage.

Given the range and endurance of modern ISR capabilities, and the distance that armoured forces must traverse under threat before actually coming into the direct fire zone, it must be doubted whether existing concepts of armoured manoeuvre will remain viable, as armoured units face persistent attrition before ever they reach an adversary ground formation. As the weight of most armoured units – with a correspondingly limited operational reach – restricts long marches, the distance from a safe start line to an objective may render the logistics and break down rate prohibitive for established norms of operation. Little solace should be taken from the small number of Turkish strikes in which Syrian tanks survived the hit. Turkey’s MAM-L and MAM-C munitions are not ideally suited for knocking out main battle tanks (MBTs), but MBTs are of little value if they have no supporting infantry to take and hold their objectives, and armoured personnel carriers are significantly more vulnerable.

The lessons from Idlib are stark. While armored vehicles still have a great deal of utility, if units lack effective layers of defensive capabilities they will not reach the fight while remaining combat effective. These critical capabilities include electronic warfare units, radar-warning systems, ground based air defence (GBAD), and in particular short-ranged air defence systems (SHORAD) that can cheaply and quickly engage less sophisticated air threats and ISR platforms. They also require the ability to integrate, analyse and disseminate information sufficiently to track threats in a congested battlespace and bring these defensive capabilities to bear in an effective and coordinated manner. When working together these capabilities create a protected node within which forces can manoeuvre.

A second question is whether Western forces need to rethink camouflage. While concealment will remain a key skill in warfare, it may become subordinate to deception, whether through generating a myriad of false positives in the electromagnetic spectrum, or a plethora of dummy targets. The ability to overwhelm an opponent’s analytical capacity, and thereby prevent the prioritisation of targets for what must ultimately be a finite number of expensive munitions, is likely to be critical.

A further implication is a renewed emphasis on attrition, albeit of equipment, rather than people. In short, we may envisage the early stage of an engagement comprising a mutual attempt by both parties to tear down one another’s ISR networks, and protective capabilities. In both instances numbers matter, and if attritability is a key requirement for both seekers and deception, then the cheapness and capacity to mass-produce those platforms becomes a critical enabler for power projection. Western forces remain dazzled by exquisite ISR platforms. It seems increasingly clear that the most important question is what fidelity of sensors is sufficient to deliver effects?

The trends outlined above are primarily relevant today in state-on-state warfare. As key technologies become ubiquitous, however, and especially as states engage in intensified proxy warfare, these threats may become increasingly present when confronting non-state actors. The Islamic State had a substantial indigenous UAV construction programme. Their drones – while crude – were effective. The Houthis have not managed to field UAVs on the same scale, but have built sophisticated ‘loitering munition-style’ strike drones, based on Iranian designs, and have used them to deliver precise effects at reach.

In the context of the UK’s Integrated Review, Idlib throws up troubling questions. Major land force procurement programmes, including the Challenger II Life Extension Programme, and Warrior Capability Sustainment Programme, represent commitments that deliver a force just as susceptible to emerging threats as it is today. By contrast, British forces lack GBAD in any density, and SHORAD of any kind. Ground forces risk replicating the familiar at the expense of the effective. Mechanised and armored manoeuvre has a theoretical pathway to future viability. The electronic warfare and air defence capabilities exist and are most versatile when they have mobility through being vehicle-mounted. However, the changes required in terms of the design of manoeuvre units, what capabilities they include organically, and how they are protected by assets held at higher echelons indicate that the concept of operations for these forces is in desperate need of updating when the current threat environment is taken into consideration.

Nick Reynolds and Jack Watling

Nick is Research Analyst for Land Warfare in the Military Sciences team at RUSI

Jack is Research Fellow for Land Warfare in the Military Sciences team at RUSI
 
1. I think in our situation only small recon drone will help (LOC), large and armed drones in COIN in Baluchistan.
2. Why Pantsir couldn't take down those Turkish drones?
3. If Russian systems are bad (as they were taken down by Turkey), then why PA was thinking of inducting (Pantsir)? Moreover why Turkey has bought S-400, it those are over hyped?
 
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Tanks and armoured vehicles are sitting ducks, if you control the skies.
We don't need a better reminder than what happened to Saddam's Iraqi forces, destroyed in thousands by the Yanks, who have mastery of the skies.

The most important weapons at the moment in battle field is the aviation, be it the drones, air crafts, missiles or Electronic Warfare.
That's where one should be leading.
 
In terms of UK centric scenario, the reason there is a shortage of ground based air defence (GBAD), and short-ranged air defence systems (SHORAD) is due to the threat spectrum british forces are projected to face.
UK will be mainly fighting along COIN and most of the adversaries are not able to field UAV's along the lines of what Turkey is doing.

During operations it's more likely that a british force will have its own armed UAVs up in the air and will be calling the first shots due to undisputed air superiority and higher calibre of trained operatives.

If looking at Pakistani scenario they can benefit with this rationale. Say in the Thar/Sindh area you can blunt enemy advances by using drones to target enemy armour. While using your armour to protect population centres (more likely to have AD) rather than fight in open spaces.
 
If the tanks received such a beating in a low intensity conflict like Syria then just wondering what will happen to IFV's in a full spectrum war between two nuclear armed neighbours.
 
In terms of UK centric scenario, the reason there is a shortage of ground based air defence (GBAD), and short-ranged air defence systems (SHORAD) is due to the threat spectrum british forces are projected to face.
UK will be mainly fighting along COIN and most of the adversaries are not able to field UAV's along the lines of what Turkey is doing.

During operations it's more likely that a british force will have its own armed UAVs up in the air and will be calling the first shots due to undisputed air superiority and higher calibre of trained operatives.

If looking at Pakistani scenario they can benefit with this rationale. Say in the Thar/Sindh area you can blunt enemy advances by using drones to target enemy armour. While using your armour to protect population centres (more likely to have AD) rather than fight in open spaces.

Thar / sindh will see tactical nuc strikes---.
 
If the tanks received such a beating in a low intensity conflict like Syria then just wondering what will happen to IFV's in a full spectrum war between two nuclear armed neighbours.

Nothing. As Pakistan does not have any significant number of CAS aircraft or armed UAVs. Same old same old army. No change just games.
 
If the tanks received such a beating in a low intensity conflict like Syria then just wondering what will happen to IFV's in a full spectrum war between two nuclear armed neighbours.
Its incorrect to apply the template across all situations. In a full blown conflict , the air space shall be monitored / dominated & armed drones will not operate with impunity. Not to mention their launch areas including air fields would be targets too - by both sides
 
Thar / sindh will see tactical nuc strikes---.
Nothing. As Pakistan does not have any significant number of CAS aircraft or armed UAVs. Same old same old army. No change just games.

Agreed. India is in the same position. More obsolete equipment compared to the Pakistan.
Despite multi time more investment in procurement, India still has got no edge over Pakistan.
All that investment lines up the pockets of the suppliers.

But as @MastanKhan pointed out, Pakistan will use Nasr. Without shadow of a doubt.
Indians are in a hurry to bring something comparable, trying to develop short range missiles.
 
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There is Technology - but there are also tactics and strategy. Correct deployment of all weapons is necessary in war, be it MBT or Drone.
 
Thar / sindh will see tactical nuc strikes---.

In my opinion you are right but only if the conflict drags out. In short term a lot of damage can be done using the method currently being employed by the Turks.

In all honesty I don't think a conflict will ever be allowed to get to the stage where tactical nukes might be used.
International political pressure and the fall back from using a tactical nuclear weapon will be too much.

If the powers to be don't have a backbone to take out all the enemy airborne on the 27th then you know the outcome...

At Least with this methodology PA can punish any incursions to give a better lasting impression.
 
there are ways to hide tanks from drones. and it doesn't take a lot of high tech either. it a some what old tech that falling out of use in most countries military doctrine. and when they do use it for training they use it wrong and shape it directly to the tank instead of using it how it suppose to be used. we used them as per doctrine in our last two division size training exercises as the OPFOR and defeated the BLUEFOR Drone assets ability to find us. and we were their highest priority during both training events.
 
Heavy mammoths like tanks are yesterdays weapons.

Wheeled or tracked light vehicle with 105mm or larger cannon can deliver same firesupport for infantry in an urban combat setting.
 
Armour is indeed becoming something you can use only in already pacified area along with air cover and not in open fields. Once air battle is lost the ground forces will have to change tactics drastically. Turkey seems have to drawn right conclusions.
 
Armour is indeed becoming something you can use only in already pacified area along with air cover and not in open fields. Once air battle is lost the ground forces will have to change tactics drastically. Turkey seems have to drawn right conclusions.

Marines are abandoning tanks and are going for mobile forces with good tank busting capabilities.

I feel that armies what are leaning heavily on warmachines like tanks are preparing to fight yesterdays war where ATGMs, drones, cheap atgm's, and other things didn't exist... despite their strong armor tanks have heavy logistic footprint, expensive price tag (new tanks) whats only going up, etc. Also, in many places tanks are useless as they can't move due terrain not being suitable for such an heavy vehicles.
 
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