Will A High Speed Rail Network Ever Be Built In The U.S.?

[beijingwalker]

Will A High Speed Rail Network Ever Be Built In The U.S.?
NBC News' Josh Lederman breaks down the obstacles slowing down the U.S. efforts to build a high speed rail network.

 

[SaadH]

Not going to happen, freedom will get in the way for the idiotic masses

As for the real reason, will eat into the subsidies and tax cut for corporations and rich
Lastly, don't want to convenience the public either, keeping them miserable and subjugated for life is to easily control them.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Not going to happen, freedom will get in the way for the idiotic masses

As for the real reason, will eat into the subsidies and tax cut for corporations and rich
Lastly, don't want to convenience the public either, keeping them miserable and subjugated for life is to easily control them.

High speed rail works best in developing countries like China where people don't own the land and the country is mostly undeveloped.

How are you going to run a straight rail line when you have land that looks like this mile after mile?? The cost to pay off these people is astronomical for something nobody wants.

Just think of all the $Millions/$Billions it would cost.
Or do you think each should only be given $1? As if that isn't going to make a ton of people feel "miserable and subjugated".

Where I am each one of those houses is over $1M. It adds up to an insane amount real quick (probably $100M) just to clear a single 1km path.

 

[beijingwalker]

High speed rail works best in developing countries like China where people don't own the land and the country is mostly undeveloped.

How are you going to run a straight rail line when you have land that looks like this mile after mile?? The cost to pay off these people is astronomical for something nobody wants.

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Just think of all the $Millions/$Billions it would cost.
Or do you think each should only be given $1? As if that isn't going to make a ton of people feel "miserable and subjugated".

Where I am each one of those houses is over $1M. It adds up to an insane amount real quick (probably $100M) just to clear a single 1km path.

I lived in US, not everywhere is like this. also US has a lot of old railways, just not high speed railways. and US is still trying to have HSR in several states, just not successfully.

 

[Black Tornado]

Why would a developed country need an HSR?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Not needed except for 3 routes

Texas triangle
Northeastern corridor
San Francisco to southern California

This doesn't make sense for other places cause US is not a densely populated to be proper rail country

Why would a developed country need an HSR?

Ah what? Lol

 

[beijingwalker]

This doesn't make sense for other places cause US is not a densely populated to be proper rail country

Tibet and Xinjiang are way less populated than US.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Tibet and Xinjiang are way less populated than US.

But it's not needed for the whole of US,

Yes China can do China, it's their choice but for majority of the US (except for the routes I mentioned), it's not worth it financially

 

[cloud4000]

Not going to happen, freedom will get in the way for the idiotic masses

As for the real reason, will eat into the subsidies and tax cut for corporations and rich
Lastly, don't want to convenience the public either, keeping them miserable and subjugated for life is to easily control them.

Do you even live in the United States?

And do you think any high-speed rail will survive without government subsidies? Most public transit in the US relies on subsidies to operate. Amtrak, America's national rail network, is a money loser that relies on US government subsidies to operate.

And the amount of red tape and regulatory hurdles make it quite a complicated venture in the US. I mean not even California can get out its own way as its own HSR is mired in controversy.

Lastly, there's no demand from the public for HSR. And for good reason, there's no need for it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Lastly, there's no demand from the public for HSR. And for good reason, there's no need for it.

So they should stop trying

 

[SaadH]

High speed rail works best in developing countries like China where people don't own the land and the country is mostly undeveloped.

How are you going to run a straight rail line when you have land that looks like this mile after mile?? The cost to pay off these people is astronomical for something nobody wants.

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Just think of all the $Millions/$Billions it would cost.
Or do you think each should only be given $1? As if that isn't going to make a ton of people feel "miserable and subjugated".

Where I am each one of those houses is over $1M. It adds up to an insane amount real quick (probably $100M) just to clear a single 1km path.

It's called Imminent Domain which the gov't has used in the past to acquire land/property for greater public good. But now corporations control all aspect of American lives with the US supreme court the ultimate guarantor of their interest, nothing that benefits the public will ever get done in the US.

 

[PurpleButcher]

With so much air travel in USA, I think airlines also lobby against HSR

 

[SaadH]

Do you even live in the United States?

And do you think any high-speed rail will survive without government subsidies? Most public transit in the US relies on subsidies to operate. Amtrak, America's national rail network, is a money loser that relies on US government subsidies to operate.

And the amount of red tape and regulatory hurdles make it quite a complicated venture in the US. I mean not even California can get out its own way as its own HSR is mired in controversy.

Lastly, there's no demand from the public for HSR. And for good reason, there's no need for it.

No, I live in the gobar utopia of Uttar Pardesh...

Amtrak and other US public transportation that need gov't subsidy are run inefficiently, if they had high route frequency, better network and connection and competent management they can easily turn a profit.
Red tape can be gotten around but the courts are stacked with right wing corporatist judges who tend to rule against public interest.

As for the demand, at least in california, the north south corridor between Northern and southern california is the busiest air corridor in the US, if not the world, definitely needs an alternate mode of transportation other than flying. Same dynamic exists in the Northeast and famous Texas triangle that gave birth to Southwest could also do with an alternate mode.

There is no demand from the same public that also doesn't believe in vaccinations and are all too happy to struggle for hours in traffic and manifest their frustration through road rage and shooting up their fellow motorist, they are blind to reality and make up half of the US population and their opinion/demand is irrelevant to the facts.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I lived in US, not everywhere is like this. also US has a lot of old railways, just not high speed railways. and US is still trying to have HSR in several states, just not successfully.

those old rail lines are not helpful at all because they are not close to being straight.Y ou heard the stats in the video about the Boston HSR speeds due to the tracks not being straight. Many of those lines were put in by hand before the days of modern mechanization so they were looking for the easiest route between two points not the straightest.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It's called Imminent Domain which the gov't has used in the past to acquire land/property for greater public good. But now corporations control all aspect of American lives with the US supreme court the ultimate guarantor of their interest, nothing that benefits the public will ever get done in the US.

It's actually called Eminent Domain and it isn't absolute...you can challenge it.
Back in the 1950's the government had to fight in court to appropriate people's land to build the Interstate highway system...and they LOST a big case in my state...now imagine them trying to pull this off 60+ years later...it isn't going to work.

Back in the late 1950's the Federal Government lost their Eminent Domain case to build Interstate 95 through Metro Boston. Instead they were forced to use an existing small local road (the up and coming tech Route 128) that circled around the area and into the newly forming wealthy suburbs.


Another place they lost...Washington DC!..their own backyard.

Remember this was the 1950's. ALOT more development in the suburbs has happened since then. In fact now it would be harder to take suburban land than city land as the residents tend to be wealthier.