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Carter has come with at least five proposals for co-development or co-production of US-origin military equipment in India, which, admittedly, have the potential to take Indo-US defense trade to a new level. These include development and production partnerships for:


  • Raytheon and Lockheed Martin-built Javelin Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM)

  • Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin-manufactured MH-60 Romeo helicopter

  • BAE Systems Mk 45 127 mm naval gun

But in return, the US is looking at the Indian defense ministry to make it easier for US companies to do business with it. One of the important items on the wishlist of US vendors is flexibility on offset structuring. India typically requires international defense companies to plow back at least 30 percent of the value of any orders they receive that are worth INR 300 crore (USD 50 million) or more into Indian industry.

Flexibility on offsets

These companies would like some leeway in being able to add, remove, change or replace Indian offset partners or restructure the values of offset contracts depending on changes in contracts, as and when, new, better candidate companies for offset partnerships emerge in India, or if existing partners no longer offer the value envisaged earlier. This, they claim, would allow them to deliver on their offset obligations more efficiently and tailor them to the best and dynamic interests of Indian defense industry.

Limiting liability after delivery

US companies feel that since neither the Indian Defense Procurement Procedure (DPP) nor the Defense Procurement Manual (DPM) talks about any specific formulae or guidelines for imposing the burden of risk on vendors, their assumption of liability at the time of selection as preferred vendors, for possible problems after future delivery, may end up uncertain and arbitrary.

US industry says that liabilities need to be balanced to distribute risk between the vendor and the buyer.

Delays :rolleyes:

Finally, Ash Carter would like the defense ministry to speed up decision-making, especially in cases where the Letters of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) have been approved. US companies claim they find it difficult to maintain the validity of their offers indefinitely, citing rising costs and uncertainty over the life of their assembly lines.

What Ashton Carter wants from India | StratPost
 
i think the stuff on offer here is fine except javelin missiles

this jv would completely undermine the work done on nag
 
i think the stuff on offer here is fine except javelin missiles

this jv would completely undermine the work done on nag

Nag is currently on snail express, Javelin co development will in fact boost Nag's development program.
 
Nag is currently on snail express, Javelin co development will in fact boost Nag's development program.

i think the stuff on offer here is fine except javelin missiles

this jv would completely undermine the work done on nag


Would serve you gentlemen well to know exactly what segment the two systems belong to.

Nag- contrary to popular belief is not moving along at a snail's pace. The recent tests have shown very promising results and the Namica re-configuration has been successfully tested. The integration of the miniaturized cryogenic cooling system for the previously uncooled LWIR seeker on the Nag has removed all the previous issues of low seeker acquisition capability in high temperature environments. The modified seeker engaged eight out of eight targets in the current trial, both stationary and moving. There will be NO man-portable version of the Nag that the IA will induct. The thrust area that is currently under development pertains to the MWR seeker for the Helina.

Javelin- different segment altogether, comparing it to Nag is akin to comparing it to MBDA brimstone. No one is jointly developing the missile or a new variant of the missile. The warhead shall be optimized for high alt. ops, thermobaric most probably.

Lets do at least some basic research about the platforms concerned IF comparisons are absolutely necessary.
@AUSTERLITZ is in the right here.
 
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Would serve you gentlemen well to know exactly what segment the two systems belong to.

Nag- contrary to popular belief is not moving along at a snail's pace. The recent tests have shown very promising results and the Namica re-configuration has been successfully tested. The integration of the miniaturized cryogenic cooling system for the previously uncooled LWIR seeker on the Nag has removed all the previous issues of low seeker acquisition capability in high temperature environments. The modified seeker engaged eight out of eight targets in the current trial, both stationary and moving. There will be NO man-portable version of the Nag that the IA will induct. The thrust area that is currently under development pertains to the MWR seeker for the Helina.

Javelin- different segment altogether, comparing it to Nag is akin to comparing it to MBDA brimstone. No one is jointly developing the missile or a new variant of the missile. The warhead shall be optimized for high alt. ops, thermobaric most probably.

Lets do at least some basic research about the platforms concerned IF comparisons are absolutely necessary.

Thank you for the ABCD lesson which was needed to me :P
 
Thank you for the ABCD lesson which was needed to me :P

Nope, just being very exact since I was accused of joking around too much.:angry:

I can't even insult people anymore without someone breathing down my neck.

As a result, I have started to express my displeasure by mutilating my sentences, I is now gobbling all articles and prepositions from me sentences- I sure is.:hang2:
 
Nope just being very exact since I was accused of joking around too much.:angry:

I can't even insult people anymore without someone breathing down my neck.

As a result, I have started to express my displeasure my mutilating my sentences, I is now gobbling all articles and prepositions from me sentences- I sure is.:hang2:

For what it's worth...thanks anyways. :D

But it wasn't needed, I exactly know what Nag is and what Javelin is and what namica is.
 
For what it's worth...thanks anyways. :D

But it wasn't needed, I exactly know what Nag is and what Javelin is and what namica is.

Javelin co development will in fact boost Nag's development program.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/278599-what-ashton-carter-wants-india.html#ixzz2fKfVl4RI

Ergo the red flag and explanation. Might have been apt if a cooled IIR system was required for development atm.

@Dillinger Which system is comparable to NAG?

In terms of segment and expected performance? Brimstone and Longbow Hellfire.
 
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Ergo the red flag and explanation. Might have been apt if a cooled IIR system was required for development atm.



In terms of segment and expected performance? Brimstone and Longbow Hellfire.

That's fine, I actually thanked your effort in explaining to me what are the differences between Nag and Javelin. I like going back to school sometimes.
 
Few of concerns of US are genuine like hell of delay Indian defense ministry babu, but off set relaxation can be considered for certain high tech weaons
 

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