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USS Preble (DDG-88) conducts an operational Tomahawk missile launch while underway in a training area off the coast of California in 2010. US Navy photo.


The Navy is finding new uses for old defensive systems in an effort to both add offensive lethality to its ships and to better protect ships against evolving global threats, several admirals said Tuesday.

The surface navy in January unveiled a “distributed lethality” concept that would guide its operational thinking going forward: if every ship on the ocean has lethal offensive capabilities, no ship can be overlooked by the enemy, changing the enemy’s behavior. Many ships have strictly defensive missions – such as a cruiser protecting the aircraft carrier – but the Navy is now looking at how to put offensive systems onto those ships.

Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, commander of naval surface forces, said during a panel presentation at the America Society of Naval Engineers’ Combat Systems Symposium on Dec. 1 that he hopes engineers in Navy and industry will feel a greater urgency to explore “what the art of the possible is with respect to the weapons systems and weapons we have and how we might be able to use them in new and innovative ways to change the rules in the middle of the game.”

One recent example of this is taking a proven defensive system – the Standard Missile 6 air defense missile – and giving it offensive capabilities as well.

“There are systems that we’re using that we’re moving from defensive capability into a very aggressive offensive capability,” Program Executive Officer for Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS) Rear Adm. Jon Hill said during the panel discussion, referring to the SM-6.

Surface Ship Weapons Office Program Manager Capt. Michael Ladner told USNI News in November that he was pursuing software-only upgrades to the missile that would allow it to take on other missions, which he said he could not discuss. But he said the new missions “focus on distributed lethality and shifting to an offensive capability to counter our adversaries’ [anti-access/area-denial] capabilities.”

Hill said the Navy was looking for additional over-the-horizon missiles, and “we’re going to start with what we can pull out of industry today and we’re going to extend that in the future.”

Director of Surface Warfare (OPNAV N96) Rear Adm. Peter Fanta said during the panel discussion that he is similarly looking at new uses for the Tomahawk land attack cruise missile.

“We still have a requirement for a Tomahawk cruise missile to attack surface ships sitting on the books – in fact, it’s been reiterated for the past 15 years that we still have that requirement,” he said.
“It’s amazing what you do when you dust off an old requirement and say I’m going to do this again. Let me put it this way: we know what the Tomahawk is capable of – the reason we got rid of it was because our sensors were not long-range enough to keep up with the range of the Tomahawk. Our sensors have evolved to the position now where we can track and target things out to the range of a Tomahawk, so now we have a need for something Tomahawk-esque to go out and reach out that far.”

Speaking to how this reuse of the Tomahawk missile would fit into the distributed lethality concept, Fanta said, “so imagine what happens when I’m carrying 3,000 Tomahawks at sea at any one time and they become dual-mission or multi-mission weapons. I don’t care which adversary you are on the face of the earth, 3,000 missiles coming at you at the same time is a really bad day. That’s the idea behind, can we make this thing do more than one [mission]. That’s what we’re talking about, evolving the capabilities that we have. I’ve got a great truck, it’s a big missile sitting inside my [vertical launching system] cells right now. What else can we do with it? How else can we make it work? What other things could we put on it or make it do?”

Fanta added that the Tomahawk missile will be in the fleet until the 2040s, so “I think I better figure out more things to do with it than just hit a spot on a beach.”

In addition to repurposing defensive systems to support the distributed lethality concept, the Navy is also finding new uses for defensive systems to further protect the fleet in a constrained budget environment.

In one example from earlier this year, the Navy needed a way to better protect its four Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) destroyers forward stationed in the Mediterranean Sea. Since the ships are so focused upward on searching for missile threats, they became vulnerable themselves to cruise missiles and other incoming munitions, Hill told USNI News in September. Rather than station another ship nearby to protect the BMD destroyer, Navy engineers realized they could install Raytheon’s Sea Rolling Airframe Missile (SeaRAM) anti-ship missile defense system onto the ships – even though SeaRAM had never been integrated with a destroyer or its Aegis Combat System before.

Without naming the specific new threat, Fanta said during the discussion that “a new threat pops up in the Eastern Mediterranean, we have a very low probability of kill against that new threat. Within six months, we had moved over $50 million. Jon Hill had found a contractor that was building a new asset. We redirected new mounts and new systems out to those destroyers. His testing folks decided how it could actually be done better, faster, cheaper and smarter. We shipped the mounts to the Mediterranean – never been done to do an install in the Mediterranean. And now we’re testing it in the Mediterranean in the Spanish ranges.

“We went from a probability of kill of very low to a probability of kill of pretty damn high,” Fanta continued.
“That’s engineers, money folks, training folks from [Rear Adm.] Jim Kilby – Jim Kilby set up a training regiment that actually taught them how to use it. That’s Tom Rowden talking about what we need where and how to get the ships actually in the fight and allow them to survive up to a coast that now gets a little more unfriendly.”

Fanta said that whole process would normally take seven or eight years, but instead the Navy responded quickly to a February urgent operational need and is now testing the solution at sea. If the Navy continues to respond to new threats in that same manner, he said, the service can outpace any threat in the world.

Kilby, commander of the recently stood-up Naval Surface and Mine Warfighting Development Center, said during the panel presentation that one of his warfare tactics instructors, a lieutenant, went out with the fleet to understand the new SeaRAM/Aegis destroyer combination and write the doctrine behind operating this new capability. Kilby signed the new doctrine two weeks ago, so as soon as the ships complete their testing the fleet will be ready to teach sailors how to operate this new combination.

Navy Finding Offensive Uses For Defensive Systems to Support Distributed Lethality - USNI News
 
Searam is based on the Phalanx mount, and that has been integrated in to AEGIS ships. The changeover to Searam won't be big (the missile is homing, no need for radar target illumination, so SEARAM can pretty much function like the 20mm gun but with much longer range)
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Searam is based on the Phalanx mount, and that has been integrated in to AEGIS ships. The changeover to Searam won't be big (the missile is homing, no need for radar target illumination, so SEARAM can pretty much function like the 20mm gun but with much longer range)
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It may not be as effective as a 20mm gun at that specify role (the 20mm is installed to carry out). Not to mention the costs involved.
 
It may not be as effective as a 20mm gun at that specify role (the 20mm is installed to carry out). Not to mention the costs involved.
RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), which is the missile used in SeaRAM, is a joint US-German development, specifically designed to counter antiship missiles. Development started in 1976 and production in 1985. It is in service on US and German navy ships, as well as on ships of the Japanese, Greek, Turkish, South Korean, Saudi and Egyptian navies. Production is still on-going and versions include Block 0, 1 and a much improved (and fatter) Block 2. In test firings, the Block 0 missiles achieved hit rates of over 95%. Software modifications that can be applied to all Block 1 RAM missiles to make these able to engage so-called "HAS", Helicopter, Aircraft, and Surface targets. On American ships, where it has been used since 1992, it is integrated with the AN/SWY-2 Ship Defense Surface Missile System (SDSMS) and Ship Self Defense System (SSDS) Mk 1 or Mk 2 based combat systems.

RAM is normally launched from the Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System (GMLS) . The Block 1B PSuM (Phalanx Surface Mode, 1999) added a forward-looking infrared (FLIR) sensor to Phalanx to allow the weapon to be used against surface targets. This addition was developed to provide ship defense against small vessel threats and other "floaters" in littoral waters and to improve the weapon's performance against slower low-flying aircraft. The FLIR's capability is also of use against low-observability missiles and can be linked with the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system to increase RAM engagement range and accuracy. The Block 1B also allows for an operator to visually identify and target threats. So there already is some integration between Phalanx sensors and RIM-116 missiles

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All SeaRAM does is to give the RAM missile a launcher model equipped with independent sensors to produce an autonomous system — so that it does not need any external information to engage threats and can stand alone, just like the Phalanx. On February 1, 2001, SEA RAM was successfully landed aboard the Royal Navy destroyer HMS YORK for trials. It was USN tested in 2008 and in service on LCS since 2013.

20mm Gatling
  • Effective firing range 1.6 km, max engagement range 3.5km
  • 20×102 mm armor-piercing tungsten penetrator rounds, projectile weight: 100 gram
  • Muzzle velocity 3,600 ft/s (1,100 m/s )
  • Rate of fire 4,500 rounds/minute (75 rounds/second).
RIM-116
  • range at least 9 km (some sources mention approx. 11 miles = approx 18 km. Raytheon mentions the new Block 2 as having "one and a half times the effective intercept range" of the earlier missiles)
  • Warhead: 11.3 kg (24.9 lb) blast fragmentation
  • Speed: Mach 2.0+ (over 680 m/s)
  • Guidance system: three modes—passive radio frequency/infrared homing, infrared only, or infrared dual mode enabled (radio frequency and infrared homing)
Mk-49 GMLS | Modern weapons
The US Navy -- Fact File: RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)
Raytheon: Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) Guided Missile System


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Offensive Uses For Defensive Systems

For instance, if you draw big d..ks all over the AA radar housing, that's offensive to female sailors!

OK, no need to tell me, I'm out … :closed:
 
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Offensive Uses For Defensive Systems

For instance, if you draw big d..ks all over the AA radar housing, that's offensive to female sailors!

OK, no need to tell me, I'm out … :closed:
Tay ....:rolleyes:

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Raytheon reports that its SeaRAM anti-ship missile defense system has successfully completed test shots in U.S. Navy testing.

In the testing, the system took out several targets in a variety of scenarios, including one in which two supersonic missiles were inbound simultaneously, flying in complex, evasive maneuvers. The targets were intercepted with Rolling Airframe Block 2 missiles.

The tests were conducted on the Navy's Self Defense Test Ship off the coast of Southern California.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...-tests-Raytheons-SeaRAM-system/1571463507595/

The current SDTS is the former USS Paul F. Foster (DD-964), now known as Ex-Paul F. Foster, and is not a remote-controlled ship, but a test-bed for multiple initiatives, ranging from bio-fuels to lasers.

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offtopic: How will you rate Geopard Class frigate ? As reports come that Bangladesh has interest in it
Basic design is a bit dated, but in all usefull provided its fitted with modern sensors and weapons. Personally, I would always go for a helicopter equipped variant and VLS-launched AShM.

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A pair of Palma
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Or a pair of Panstsir
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Maybe complemented by 1 or 2 Gibka
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1x Arsenal 57mm A-220M naval gun
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Or 1x Arsenal AK-176M 76mm
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Basic design is a bit dated, but in all usefull provided its fitted with modern sensors and weapons. Personally, I would always go for a helicopter equipped variant and VLS-launched AShM.

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thanks, another question.
what are the drawbacks if you don't have hanger in ship ?
 
And a pair of 14.5mm NSV HMG on naval mount (preferably remote control)
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thanks, another question.
what are the drawbacks if you don't have hanger in ship ?

With a heli-deck only, you can support a land based ASW helicopter while out at sea (rearm, refuel) and you can take on vertrep and do medevac. But should you move out of reach of the land-based aviation, you can't conduct sustained aerial operations because you have no place to protect the helicopter from the elements and conduct maintenance. Unless you move as part of a group of ships, where a larger ship (e.g. an AOR with larger multiple hangars) performs maintenance of a rotational basis or as needed. While a possible option, that's not a preferred option.

It's a bit of a trade off because usually land-based ASW helicopters tend to be larger e.g. Sea King or Sea Hawk, Puma/Cheetah or NH-90 or EH/AW-101 or SuperFrelon/Z-8, while organic (on-board) helicopters on this size ships are smaller (e.g. Sea Lynx, Sea Sprite, S-76, Dauphin/Z-9, etc.).

It is not clear cut what is the best solution, you have to look at needs and capabilities of a particular navy.

5P-10E Radar Control System
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SP-520 Electro-Optical Control System
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http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/artillery-systems-fire-control-systems

At least

POSITIV-ME1 and POSITIV-ME1.2 Active Radars
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http://concern-agat.ru/en/productio...tems-and-complexes/mineral-me-shipborne-radar

http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/radiolocation-radio-electronic-systems-and-complexes

Sigma E combat management system
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http://concern-agat.ru/en/productio...sigma-e-combat-information-and-control-system
 
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