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India's 49% FDI limit not enough for defence technology transfer: US
By PTI | 18 Sep, 2015, 11.57AM IST


WASHINGTON: The current policy of 49 per cent FDI limit is not enough for transfer of high-tech defence technologies involving intellectual property rights, a top Pentagon official has said as India and the US are expected to hold talks on jet engine technology.

When asked if the 49 per cent foreign direct investment (FDI) limit in the defence sector would be a hindrance in the transfer of jet engine technology, Keith Webster, Director and International Cooperation Office of the Under Secretary of defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics told PTI, "Yes, it would"

However, India has given assurance to the US that it is willing to waive of the current 49 per cent FDI limit on a case by case basis if there is a compelling case.

"They said they would definitely consider doing that. Our industries and government, we made clear that where there is industry anxiety over control of technology it (FDI) has to be greater than 49 per cent," Webster said.

"And what we have been told is that in those instances they would consider exercising that policy option," he said.

The US industry is actually very forthcoming and upbeat on new opportunities in India in the field of jet engines.


"That does not mean unilaterally handing over intellectual property that they invested billions of dollars in developing 70 years. That is not going to happen," he said.


"There are opportunities available for partnership in aircraft production and ultimately design. There might be some joint design work," he added.


The first meeting of the India-US Joint Working Group on jet engines and the signing of the terms of reference in this regard is likely to be held in India in about six weeks.

The creation of this joint working group on jet engines was announced early this year when US President Barack Obama visited India.

Its first meeting was scheduled this month in India, but was postponed at India's request.

Noting that the jet engine technologies are owned and developed by the industries, Webster said in order to move forward with any technology that is owned by an industry, the industry needs to see a credible business case moving forward.

All that the US can do is to try facilitate a dialogue, to understand in that discussion what are the things the government can do to contribute to India's needs.

"We are happy to provide our expert opinion on their approach to engine design and test," he said, adding that the US has a long history in government of proofing industry's designs and capabilities to ensure they meet military specifications.

"We can help advice. We can share approaches to tactics techniques and testing engines, proofing engines and validating capabilities of engines," Webster said.

India's 49% FDI limit not enough for defence technology transfer: US - The Economic Times
 
India's 49% FDI limit not enough for defence technology transfer: US
By PTI | 18 Sep, 2015, 11.57AM IST


WASHINGTON: The current policy of 49 per cent FDI limit is not enough for transfer of high-tech defence technologies involving intellectual property rights, a top Pentagon official has said as India and the US are expected to hold talks on jet engine technology.

When asked if the 49 per cent foreign direct investment (FDI) limit in the defence sector would be a hindrance in the transfer of jet engine technology, Keith Webster, Director and International Cooperation Office of the Under Secretary of defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics told PTI, "Yes, it would"

However, India has given assurance to the US that it is willing to waive of the current 49 per cent FDI limit on a case by case basis if there is a compelling case.

"They said they would definitely consider doing that. Our industries and government, we made clear that where there is industry anxiety over control of technology it (FDI) has to be greater than 49 per cent," Webster said.

"And what we have been told is that in those instances they would consider exercising that policy option," he said.

The US industry is actually very forthcoming and upbeat on new opportunities in India in the field of jet engines.


"That does not mean unilaterally handing over intellectual property that they invested billions of dollars in developing 70 years. That is not going to happen," he said.


"There are opportunities available for partnership in aircraft production and ultimately design. There might be some joint design work," he added.


The first meeting of the India-US Joint Working Group on jet engines and the signing of the terms of reference in this regard is likely to be held in India in about six weeks.

The creation of this joint working group on jet engines was announced early this year when US President Barack Obama visited India.

Its first meeting was scheduled this month in India, but was postponed at India's request.

Noting that the jet engine technologies are owned and developed by the industries, Webster said in order to move forward with any technology that is owned by an industry, the industry needs to see a credible business case moving forward.

All that the US can do is to try facilitate a dialogue, to understand in that discussion what are the things the government can do to contribute to India's needs.

"We are happy to provide our expert opinion on their approach to engine design and test," he said, adding that the US has a long history in government of proofing industry's designs and capabilities to ensure they meet military specifications.

"We can help advice. We can share approaches to tactics techniques and testing engines, proofing engines and validating capabilities of engines," Webster said.

India's 49% FDI limit not enough for defence technology transfer: US - The Economic Times
US demand sounds legit to me im sure PMO and MOD can make an exeption here there is not much too loose but much to gain :coffee:
 
India needs to start hacking and putting agents in companies to extract key data.
 
Who is india going to partner with in order to get its own jet engine ?

There was some news some years ago india partnering with snecma (france).
Then the news of russia willing to help for our engine pops out every now and then.
And now this US news.

India should choose one partner rather stepping in all boats.
 
We had enough of Red tape and socialism crap which gutted our defence sector.We should raise the limit and embrace capitalism wholeheartedly as a future.
 
We need to fund Engine development by pouring 1 billion $ every year for the next 10 years and making that the highest priority mandate for DRDO in conjunction with private players. If DRDO can build Rockets and missiles under sanction, it will also build an engine giving enough funds and time. THAT is the way to go.
 
51% should make all the difference. 'Make in India' should be the logo not the control over the JV's.
exactly my point no one is going to give you what you want and despite your best efforts you failed to get the desired results from your projects .... simple buisness terms and even 49% stake in such a company is not bad at least we can leap over many years in R&D with showing a little tolerence
 
Exactly . We already have exceptional circumstances where FDI is at 100% . But am not sure about specifics. But what they are asking is also actually benefits India and US . See I dont get a point of opposition 100% FDI in defence sector while we are the largest importers of weapons ? How is 100% FDI is a worst than entirely importing from foreign shores ? Thats the level of corruption which rooted deep inside our MOD and PMO thanks today we have Hindu Nationalist like Modi as our PM who is spear heading Make in India campaign .

Allow 100% FDI in aerospace industries , Shells factory , small arms industry etc . Where ever we are suffering shortages on our requirements open up defence sectors for 100% FDI .

Saying so we can't just give away the need for high technology in many sectors . So its a must to have our companies to get used to these technologies which are too big for our nationwide technology

Brother what is the difference between 51% FDI and 80% FDI or 100% FDI ? Whats the point in having 51% and not 100% FDI ? No difference as the company will be controlled by a foreigners ayways . And anyways our work force will be trained , our local small or large companies will provide equipments etc etc . .. I say lets go for 100% in defence sector . This will open up new pool of defence entrepreneurs which will will propel our status from importer to the exporter nation
51% should make all the difference. 'Make in India' should be the logo not the control over the JV's.
 
We need to fund Engine development by pouring 1 billion $ every year for the next 10 years and making that the highest priority mandate for DRDO in conjunction with private players. If DRDO can build Rockets and missiles under sanction, it will also build an engine giving enough funds and time. THAT is the way to go.


Agree with your point that India need put serious money in select projects, rather than putting little money in lot of projets thus dooming them all.

But one thing when people forget while comparing missiles with Engines is that like missiles, Kaveri worked! It just was not good enough to power even a LCA. The thing with missiles and rockets is that in order to succeed, they need to work; but for an engine to be successful , it need to work better than its competitors.

51% should make all the difference. 'Make in India' should be the logo not the control over the JV's.

If GoI is ready for 51%, then it should allow 74%.

50% is needed for normal executive decision while 75% is needed for changing mandate of the company. Thus putting limit at 51% does not make sense. After 49% ,next stop should be 74%.51% means that Indians would be investing 49% of their capital while enjoying benefits that come with 26% share holding.
 
Exactly . We already have exceptional circumstances where FDI is at 100% . But am not sure about specifics. But what they are asking is also actually benefits India and US . See I dont get a point of opposition 100% FDI in defence sector while we are the largest importers of weapons ? How is 100% FDI is a worst than entirely importing from foreign shores ? Thats the level of corruption which rooted deep inside our MOD and PMO thanks today we have Hindu Nationalist like Modi as our PM who is spear heading Make in India campaign .

Allow 100% FDI in aerospace industries , Shells factory , small arms industry etc . Where ever we are suffering shortages on our requirements open up defence sectors for 100% FDI .

Saying so we can't just give away the need for high technology in many sectors . So its a must to have our companies to get used to these technologies which are too big for our nationwide technology

Brother what is the difference between 51% FDI and 80% FDI or 100% FDI ? Whats the point in having 51% and not 100% FDI ? No difference as the company will be controlled by a foreigners ayways . And anyways our work force will be trained , our local small or large companies will provide equipments etc etc . .. I say lets go for 100% in defence sector . This will open up new pool of defence entrepreneurs which will will propel our status from importer to the exporter nation

Agree with your point that India need put serious money in select projects, rather than putting little money in lot of projets thus dooming them all.

But one thing when people forget while comparing missiles with Engines is that like missiles, Kaveri worked! It just was not good enough to power even a LCA. The thing with missiles and rockets is that in order to succeed, they need to work; but for an engine to be successful , it need to work better than its competitors.



If GoI is ready for 51%, then it should allow 74%.

50% is needed for normal executive decision while 75% is needed for changing mandate of the company. Thus putting limit at 51% does not make sense. After 49% ,next stop should be 74%.51% means that Indians would be investing 49% of their capital while enjoying benefits that come with 26% share holding.

I was just saying 51% as Indian companies that form JVs with International companies can have equal share in the profits.
 
We need to fund Engine development by pouring 1 billion $ every year for the next 10 years and making that the highest priority mandate for DRDO in conjunction with private players. If DRDO can build Rockets and missiles under sanction, it will also build an engine giving enough funds and time. THAT is the way to go.

Exactly no one will share this tech with us
 
I was just saying 51% as Indian companies that form JVs with International companies can have equal share in the profits.

It doesn't matter Mother company usually assemble the final products which are been sourced locally . There are over sime 200 more or less companies involved in Rafale

India needs to start hacking and putting agents in companies to extract key data.

Rolf why you banned this guy . His idiotic statement has some way :P
 

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