United States Offers India to Lease 12 Surveillance Helicopters

[Saint N sinnerr]

In the midst of the Indian Defence Ministry scurrying for aerial surveillance aircraft, speedboats and vessels for coastal security, the U.S. has offered 12 helicopters on lease to India for more effective surveillance of the Indian coastline, according to India Defence Online.

While India is ruminating over the U.S. offer, it will be the first time it will be leasing aircraft from U.S for defence purposes. It may be noted that the Indian Coastguard is undergoing a shortage of helicopters, especially the twin-engine helicopters. The U.S has reportedly offered Sikorsky and Augusta Westland helicopters to India.

Since coastline security framework is top priority for India, the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has been asked to deliver 12 Dornier aircraft to Coast Guard at the earliest. India has also requested private players to make offers for helicopters and other surveillance aircraft.

 

[FreekiN]

Well, Pakistan just lost an ally.

 

[Peace Sells no one buying]

Well, Pakistan just lost an ally.

I'm confused by this point of view. India has a right to survey their coasts, right? America is just making a business decision.

First of all, ff America was leasing ATTACK helicopters, or some other weapon system that is meant for something OTHER THAN observation to a nation hostile to Pakistan that would be breaking the special US-Pakistan relationship.

Secondly, leasing these types of helicopters to India -- a nation that has proven time and time again that they do not want to attack Pakistan -- is not a relationship breaker (unless a certain nation is clingly, insecure and jealous). If America was 'tipping' the balance between two nations that were definately going to go to war soon it would be an issue. (this is based on the US leasing powerful technology -- which we honestly know this is not the case) Or if America was giving weapons to one group of warlords in an African replubic to actively use against another group -- this would be favouritism. This is also not the case. You can't kill Pakistani's with a survalence helicopter.

Third, America has a long list of doing much worse. American business men became rich during armed conflicts that America (herself) was in by selling things to the other side of the conflict! (Just look at Prescott Bush -- grandfather of George W. Bush -- who helped Nazi Germany kill Americans)

The idea of allies and enemies is not so black and white in today's world -- everything exists upon shades of gray. One only needs to see the relationship that exists between the US and Israel to see this in practice. (btw, if you wish to go on the Muslim angle, US is more loyal to the Jews in Israel than any nation that is blessed to have many Muslims among the population)

If America is giving helicopters to India they are just trying to make a buck. (Everyone is off of India now-a-days) It doesn't mean that they like India more than Pakistan or anything like that.

 

[notting hill]

nothing new . ppl here have been sayin this since the time US sold india p-8 surveillance aircrafts . some ppl never considered it an ally since a long time anyways . so i guess you have a real late realisation.

 

[BlackSonic]

Well, Pakistan just lost an ally.

Are you trying to say that countries who want to become Pakistan's ally should end their relations with India?

I don't want to bring China in this topic but still.......you know what I am trying to say?

 

[PLAextream]

DONT BRING CHINA ,as you are not authorized for that ,great china 'll tear her apart .

 

[mrwarrior006]

DONT BRING CHINA ,as you are not authorized for that ,great china 'll tear her apart .

sir a qestion- who will china tear apart?

and wy isnt he authorized does he live on mars or china?

 

[PLAextream]

as far as pak is concerned she can count on China for there requirement to contain india. with the help of china, pakistan can keep india busy for long.
dont know how poor india fellow started there wet dreams of comparing vd great China in any aspect. Last time China let you go (in 1960's) as a stupid kid,but next time india may be not be that lucky.Have a look at your map India is already surrounded by China's alley's like Pak,burma soon nepal 'll be our side China also have ports at srilanka .so time before india start its aggression agnst great china ,she would have lost the war before it started.

india stands no where in weapons quality,quantity to contain great china,where as Pak has done a good work to show india a mirror.In the coming year pak 'll keep getting state of the art weapon systems ,technology to make our mitual friend "India" far cry.

 

[FreekiN]

I'm confused by this point of view. India has a right to survey their coasts, right? America is just making a business decision.

First of all, ff America was leasing ATTACK helicopters, or some other weapon system that is meant for something OTHER THAN observation to a nation hostile to Pakistan that would be breaking the special US-Pakistan relationship.

Secondly, leasing these types of helicopters to India -- a nation that has proven time and time again that they do not want to attack Pakistan -- is not a relationship breaker (unless a certain nation is clingly, insecure and jealous). If America was 'tipping' the balance between two nations that were definately going to go to war soon it would be an issue. (this is based on the US leasing powerful technology -- which we honestly know this is not the case) Or if America was giving weapons to one group of warlords in an African replubic to actively use against another group -- this would be favouritism. This is also not the case. You can't kill Pakistani's with a survalence helicopter.

Third, America has a long list of doing much worse. American business men became rich during armed conflicts that America (herself) was in by selling things to the other side of the conflict! (Just look at Prescott Bush -- grandfather of George W. Bush -- who helped Nazi Germany kill Americans)

The idea of allies and enemies is not so black and white in today's world -- everything exists upon shades of gray. One only needs to see the relationship that exists between the US and Israel to see this in practice. (btw, if you wish to go on the Muslim angle, US is more loyal to the Jews in Israel than any nation that is blessed to have many Muslims among the population)

If America is giving helicopters to India they are just trying to make a buck. (Everyone is off of India now-a-days) It doesn't mean that they like India more than Pakistan or anything like that.

They recently offered F-35's.

 

[jagjitnatt]

as far as pak is concerned she can count on China for there requirement to contain india. with the help of china, pakistan can keep india busy for long.
dont know how poor india fellow started there wet dreams of comparing vd great China in any aspect. Last time China let you go (in 1960's) as a stupid kid,but next time india may be not be that lucky.Have a look at your map India is already surrounded by China's alley's like Pak,burma soon nepal 'll be our side China also have ports at srilanka .so time before india start its aggression agnst great china ,she would have lost the war before it started.

india stands no where in weapons quality,quantity to contain great china,where as Pak has done a good work to show india a mirror.In the coming year pak 'll keep getting state of the art weapon systems ,technology to make our mitual friend "India" far cry.

As frustrated as you are, you are just as dumb. China has never helped Pakistan in a scene of war. You can just encourage us to fight and nothing else, so you can sell more of your cheap chinese junk.
That day is not far off, when chinese subs will be sold at a kiryana stall.

 

[Peace Sells no one buying]

They recently offered F-35's.

My understanding is that the offer of F-35's is nothing more than the 'eenam' (don't really know how to spell this in English) for a potential Lockheed-Martin MRCA/MMRCA victory. [Which, in itself, seems far fetched right now] It's not a 'sure thing', and it's only contingent upon spending billions of dollars for the right to be called 'potential customer'; a far cry from being called 'friend'.

America wants Indian business (especially if it's between Europe, Russia and America), even at the expense of selling India a non TOT version of the F-35 in the future.

It's like going to an auto dealership -- putting money down on a car from the 80's, and as a bonus, the dealer then agrees to show you a car from the 2000's (that he wouldn't have shown you if you didn't buy the first, older, car). The justification is that "hey, these Indians will buy anything . . . they bought F-16's . . . let's sell them this new plane that they don't need either!"

And it's not like having to pay the bloated price tag for the F-35 is worth it. While it will be the most advanced plane when it is finally put into the sky, it's not going to be the best plane in the air.

This is all tangential to the issue here: the USA leasing recon helicopters to boost India's insufficient ability to patrol their own coastline. This is not a machine built for war, but for domestic security.

If it offends Pakistan that the US is helping India defend her own borders it suggests more about the Pakistani psychology than the actual allegiance of the United States. (who, after all, is run by military-industrial complex and needs arms sales / deals for their economy to run)

I do appreciate this discussion we are having. Let's try to keep primary focus on this particular deal (which in my mind seems innocent enough), instead of trying to spin potential, future arms sales as a cause for international alarm.

After all, it's in America's best interest to keep both India and Pakistan around. India as a regional 'rival' of China (not a real rival, but just one geographically) and potential source of international trade income; and Pakistan as a potentially pro-West, Muslim majority state that can be a buffer to both the Middle East and South Asia.

 

[mrwarrior006]

as far as pak is concerned she can count on China for there requirement to contain india. with the help of china, pakistan can keep india busy for long.
dont know how poor india fellow started there wet dreams of comparing vd great China in any aspect. Last time China let you go (in 1960's) as a stupid kid,but next time india may be not be that lucky.Have a look at your map India is already surrounded by China's alley's like Pak,burma soon nepal 'll be our side China also have ports at srilanka .so time before india start its aggression agnst great china ,she would have lost the war before it started.

india stands no where in weapons quality,quantity to contain great china,where as Pak has done a good work to show india a mirror.In the coming year pak 'll keep getting state of the art weapon systems ,technology to make our mitual friend "India" far cry.

sir good i didnt know tat india was so weak

now we will have to progress at greater pace tank u


and tat war thing lets leave it for real war wat u say

u can surround as much as u want we dont care .india has not yet made its move wait for it(still india remains non-alligned if situation gets worse then india will finds its way)
but in my mind string of pearls is already waste wy coz india is navalizing maldives,andaman&nicobar islands,lakshdweep hence it will be u surrounded in our very own backyard

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

as far as pak is concerned she can count on China for there requirement to contain india. with the help of china, pakistan can keep india busy for long.
dont know how poor india fellow started there wet dreams of comparing vd great China in any aspect. Last time China let you go (in 1960's) as a stupid kid,but next time india may be not be that lucky.Have a look at your map India is already surrounded by China's alley's like Pak,burma soon nepal 'll be our side China also have ports at srilanka .so time before india start its aggression agnst great china ,she would have lost the war before it started.

india stands no where in weapons quality,quantity to contain great china,where as Pak has done a good work to show india a mirror.In the coming year pak 'll keep getting state of the art weapon systems ,technology to make our mitual friend "India" far cry.

hey go and show ur frustration on some other forum as India is rising very fast....

Plz stick to opic on this thread....

 

[PLAextream]

off the topic,as i was in funny mood sorry for being off the topic .India is a nice country as is PAKISTAN

 

[PLAextream]

why us lease are they too costly for india to purchase them,what soo special about them india buys reconnaissance/anti sub helos from russia .