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On a recent trip to India, I was moved by the genuine concern people have about Pakistan. As a Pakistani living in the United States, I am subjected daily to serious exasperation, courtesy the American media. Americans do not understand Pakistan because they do not care. And there is no real knowledge without caring. Indians certainly do care. Pakistan has been on the Indian mind since the moment of their co-creation. India and Pakistan are like two ends of a thread tied in a fantastic Gordian knot; their attachment magically survives their severance. And how the love grows! The recent Jaswant Singh controversy over Jinnah only partially unveiled how Pakistan is critical to the ideological coherence of Indian nationalism in both its secular and Hindutva varieties. But behind this veil, Pakistan has always been internal to Indian politics. It should come as no surprise then that establishment Indians (bureaucratic and political elites, intellectuals, media types, and the chattering classes) are well-versed in the nuances of Pakistani society. Indians understand Pakistan like no one else does, or can.

Still, there is this curious blind spot: no one in India appears to remember 1971. Worse, no one seems to think it relevant. For all their sophistication, Indian elites continue to understand Pakistan primarily with reference to the events of 1947. Anything else is incidental, not essential. The established Indian paradigms for explaining Pakistan, its actions and its institutions, its state and society, have not undergone any significant shift since the Partition. The tropes remain the same: religion and elite manipulation explain everything. It is as if the pre-Partition politics of the Muslim League continues to be the politics of Pakistan—with slight non-essential variations. More than 60 years on, the factors may be different but little else has changed.

This view is deeply flawed. It reflects a serious confusion about the founding event of contemporary Pakistani society. The Partition has a mesmerising quality that blinds the mind, a kind of notional heft that far outweighs its real significance to modern South Asian politics. The concerns of the state of Pakistan, the anxieties of its society, and the analytic frames of its intellectual and media elites have as their primary reference not 1947 but the traumatic vivisection of the country in 1971. Indians have naturally focused on their own vivisection, their own dismemberment; but for Pakistan, they have focused on the wrong date. This mix-up has important consequences.



Oddly, the Indian elite seem to have a blind spot for the dismemberment india subjected Pakistan to in 1971. their focus never seems to shift from the partition.


First, Indians tend not to remember 1971 as a Pakistani civil war, but rather as India’s “good” war. It is remembered as an intervention by India to prevent the genocide of Bengalis by Pakistanis. The fact that the Bengalis themselves were also Pakistanis has been effaced from the collective memory of Indian elites. This makes 1971 merely another Kargil, or Kashmir, Afghanistan or Mumbai—an instance of Pakistan meddling in other people’s affairs, and of the Pakistani military’s adventurism in the region. This is why mention of Balochistan at Sharm el-Sheikh created such a stir in India. It was literally incomprehensible to Indians that Pakistan could accuse India of meddling in its internal affairs. Surely, this is the pot calling the kettle black. But what the Indian mind perceives as Pakistan’s ongoing divorce from reality is in fact Pakistan’s most fundamental political reality. The Pakistani establishment has internalised the memory of 1971. In all things, and at all times, it must account for India. Dismemberment has the requisite effect of focusing the mind on existential matters. Nothing can be taken for granted.

Second, the Indian establishment routinely misconstrues as ideological schizophrenia the Pakistani intellectual classes’ complicated responses to India. The nuances of the Pakistani experience of India are the very picture of incoherence to them. Worse, Pakistanis often frustrate the project of creating a common South Asian sensibility to bridge the political gaps between the two communities.

But again, no one in India accounts for 1971 when making such grand universalising (and, if I may add, genuinely noble) plans for the future of the region. Pakistani intellectual elites share with their Indian counterparts the normative horror of what the West Pakistani military did in the East. How can anyone in their right mind not deem such behaviour beyond the pale? But horror does not preclude abiding distaste for the Indian state’s wilful opportunism in breaking Pakistan apart. It is for this reason that while the intellectual classes in Pakistan, especially the English language press and prominent university scholars, have almost always condemned their state’s involvement in terrorist activity inside India proper, they have remained largely quiet concerning Kashmir. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Kashmir does not seem so different to them than East Pakistan.

It is for this same reason that there was no great outcry about the isi’s supposed involvement in the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul. The general sense among the educated elites was that India deserved it for trying to “encircle” Pakistan through Afghanistan. Indians process this either as paranoia or as a visceral hatred of India that blinds Pakistanis to facts. Perhaps there is some of this too. But it bears appreciating that Pakistan is a post-civil war society. Fear and anxiety concerning India’s intentions in the region are hardly limited to the so-called ‘establishment’ in Pakistan. It is a general fear, a well-dispersed fear, a social fear. And a relatively coherent fear at that.



If the vantage point is 1971, it will allow Pakistan to be seen as a state that’s reacting to repeated defeats inflicted upon its forces by a larger neighbour.


This leads to the third, and perhaps the most important point. The Indian establishment does not see Pakistan as a ‘normal’ society. The substance of this abnormalcy is religion, which is also the irreducible difference between the two societies. It is the original sin and a foundational incoherence that is ultimately inescapable. And it has tremendous explanatory power. It explains both the ideological nature of the Pakistani state’s hatred of India and, simultaneously, the state’s manipulation of the zealous masses for its own ends. That these two explanations do not hold together coherently is besides the point to most Indians. This is an old story and is as such sensible. In the Indian imagination, Pakistan is endlessly regurgitating the politics of Jinnah and the erstwhile Indian Muslim League. While Indian politics moves on, Pakistan’s holds eerily still. I am certainly not one to deny that there are some obvious asymmetries between India and Pakistan. The nature of the relationship between religion and politics is certainly one of them. But it bears mentioning that perhaps the most relevant asymmetry concerns the repeated defeats suffered by the conventional Pakistani forces at the hands of their Indian counterparts. This asymmetry is neither that complicated nor particularly abnormal. It illuminates the actions of the Pakistani state as essentially strategic and only incidentally ideological. And in that sense, it allows an interpretation of Pakistan as a fairly pedestrian, even ‘normal’ post-conflict society in its relations with its much larger neighbour.

Ultimately, this is the real value of a renewed focus on 1971 rather than 1947. It normalises Pakistan. It allows for discussion of real differences between the two societies and the two states, rather than of reified stereotypes that have little political relevance any more. This is not to justify the actions of the Pakistani state, which are in many cases entirely unjustifiable on both moral and political grounds. It is merely to hope that a mutual comprehension of normalcy may lead to peace and progress. Certainly, no one will deny that there is value in that.


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Khurram Hussain (The author is with the Religious Studies Department at Yale University. He is also a member of the MacMillan Initiative on Religion, Politics and Society at Yale and a doctoral fellow at the Centre for Global Islamic Studies at Lehigh University.)

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I dont think any Indian would have to apologize for 1971. It is Pakistan's own making.

Even though, Bangladesh (East Pakistan) had more population than West Pakistan, Punjabi Elites only invested about 40% of the budget that they had invested in West Pakistan - not just one year - from 1947 all through 1971. This maintained enough distrust among Bengalis on the intent of Pakistan.

When a Bengali won the election, he was not even allowed to rule. Mr. Bhutto, a so-called proponent of democracy, maintained his allegiance to the military government.

A civil unrest was turned into genocide and raping and murdering of millions of Bengalis and unfortunately author fails even to mention any thing.

And in case of India, Bengladeshis were flooding into India. How can anyone blame us when we had merely returned the favor what Pakistan did in 1965 (only 6 years).

I am sick of Pakistani often pulling out the "innocent" card all through history. They seem to be victimized all the time.

"A man is responsible for his own actions."

I failed to add "a grown up man is responsible, kids can always cry."

If the elite in the country thinks this way, what a pity on the country!

Even after Afghan wars, Pakistan choose to keep Taliban and nurture them. They wanted to use the strategic assets against India. It was their own decision to do so. And their support continued all the way through 2001.

When US twisted Pakistan's arms, they changed their positions - Musharraf - a Pakistani - changed his minds and went against Taliban. Majority of Pakistanis even at that time supported Taliban.

Even after horrific attacks including the most recent Peshawar attacks, there is still support from grass roots for these criminals.

Just like India, Pakistan has fewer internet users and most of the internet users in Pakistan come from relatively well-off families. So, if what I see in this forum as a consensus of elites, I observe two things:
1. Way more than 50% thinks all the terrorism that is going in the world is done by India, Israel, US, West, ....
2. Way more than 10% in here thinks that TTP is still innocent.

If this is case with elites, it is worth noting the support they will have from illiterate, religiously charged masses.
 
.that kind of rape and murder also happened in your country.(None of this would have happened if you didn't supplied weapons to liberation groups at that time) What does that mean. Your neighbour start supplying weapons to those groups. You are same kind of Indian talked in this article who see 1971 war as a "Good war". And what is your proof that we were feeding taliban to attack india. IBN perhaps.
 
.that kind of rape and murder also happened in your country.(None of this would have happened if you didn't supplied weapons to liberation groups at that time)

You mean about 2-3 million was killed/raped. This happened even before war started with India. India had problems of its own, but that has never has so many people got affected. Even when 100 people get attacked, there is outrage among most Indians. Pakistan starts broadcasting how atrocities are happening while conveniently forgetting what is going in their own country.

What does that mean. Your neighbour start supplying weapons to those groups.
Which neighbor? China supporting groups against India?


You are same kind of Indian talked in this article who see 1971 war as a "Good war".
Not Just Indians, most of the world acknowledges the Pakistan was massacred. Even US which was trying to help Pakistan during 1971 acknowledged it.



And what is your proof that we were feeding taliban to attack india. IBN perhaps.

Even Musharraf has acknowledged it. What more proof do you want?

 
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Extremely well written. Also explains the Pakistani p.o.v with regards India far better than any post on this forum.

However,i disagree with the assertion that Bangladesh was Pakistan internal affair. They were five million refugees from East Pakistan in India in 71,costing us RS 500 crore each at 71 prices. This is also the time India was facing a severe food crises. We had to import four million tons of wheat from Soviet union just three years later. India simply could not afford five million refugees and hence had to act.
 
This guy's a genius!
i have no words...but this is exactly where the split in ideologies lie!
 
First he should not go to India

Good answer by Musharif and that mulana should put a yellom pagrai on his head since he is leader for hinuds not muslims. Here is what muslims in India living like


and he has forgoton babari mosque ?
 
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This is a very good article. I don't believe the author is trying to make a case of who is good or evil. What he is pointing out is that we Indians are using the wrong event to base our understanding of Pakistanis.

Most Indians including me just think of 1971 as India's victory and the creation of Bangladesh. We very rarely think of this as Pakistan's civil war and subsequent partition.
 
First he should not go to India

Good answer by Musharif and that mulana should put a yellom pagrai on his head since he is leader for hinuds not muslims. Here is what muslims in India living like

0wmgIC1OLK4[/media] - Watch hindu's brutality. Thats the reason pakistan was built

and he has forgoton babari mosque ?

Yes, watching this Hindu bruality on "100 people" has made bengalis join the "state of Pakistan" which later raped/killed more than "3 million" people.

This is what happens to a country bases itself on a religion. Perpetual denial of actions on Bengalis does not make it right.

When I read the economic history of Pakistan, I feel really traggic.

Pakistan which tried Western models in limited ways grew at much faster rate than India from Independence through to 1965. During those days, many countries around the world would come to Pakistan to learn how to grow faster. South Korea, Singapore all came to learn from top economists in Pakistan how you better their country like Pakistan.

In 1965, military wanted some excitement. So they attacked India. From then on till 1979, Pakistan concentrated on weapons and threw its towel on economic growth.

In 1979, Pakistan decided religious teaching to students is not enough, they opened madrases all through the state to promote religious education.

By 2001, Pakistan was bound to religion so much so that everything in the world based on religion. Religion wars, religious strategies, religion in education, infact even religious parties competiting in politics.

After 911, the military dictator changed directions. He kept the madrases but initiated war on students of madrases. Thanks to his efforts, Pakistan is burning!

I always wonder WHAT IF, Pakistan wont have fought the war in 1965. South Korea which was considered basket case in 1960's has a per capita income of 20K$ in 2008 whereas Pakistan's is less than 1K$.
 
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Excellent analysis.

Rajeev,

Please stop repeating the unsubstantiated '2-3 million killed' canard. There is absolutely no evidence validating those numbers, and we have a couple of threads in the history section discussing that. The Hamoodur Rehamn commission remains the most comprehensive study of the conflict and casualties inflicted, and based its conclusions on hard evidence, not rumor mongering of 'genocide'. Also note the atrocities by the rebels, that occurred before Op. Searchlight.

Misdeeds of the Awami League Militants:

2. It is necessary that this painful chapter of the events in East Pakistan be looked at in its proper perspective. Let it not be forgotten that the initiative in resorting to violence and cruelty was taken by the militants of the Awami League, during the month of March, 1971, following General Yahya Khan's announcement of the 1st of March regarding the postponement of the session of the National Assembly scheduled for the 3rd of March 1971. It will be recalled that from the 1st of March to the 3rd of March 1971, the Awami League had taken complete control of East Pakistan, paralysing the authority of the federal government. There is reliable evidence to show that during this period the miscreants indulged in large scale massacres and rape against pro-Pakistan elements, in the towns of Dacca, Narayanganj, Chittagong, Chandraghona, Rangamati, Khulna, Dinajpur, Ghafargaoa, Kushtia, Ishurdi, Noakhali, Sylhet, Maulvi Bazaar, Rangpur, Saidpur, Jessore, Barisal, Mymensingh, Rajshahi, Pabna, Sirajgonj, Comilla, Brahman Baria, Bogra, Naugaon, Santahar, and several other smaller places.

3. Harrowing tales of these atrocities were narrated by the large number of West Pakistanis and Biharis who were able to escape from these places and reach the safety of West Pakistan. For days on end, all through the troubled month of March 1971, swarms of terrorised non-Bengalis lay at the Army-controlled Dacca airport awaiting their turn to be taken to the safety of West Pakistan. Families of West Pakistani officers and other ranks serving with East Bengal units were subjected to inhuman treatment, and a large number of West Pakistani officers were butchered by the erstwhile Bengali colleagues.

4. These atrocities were completely blacked out at the time by the Government of Pakistan for fear of retaliation by the Bengalis living in West Pakistan. The Federal Government did issue a White Paper in this behalf in August 1971, but unfortunately it did not create much impact for the reason that it was highly belated, and adequate publicity was not given to it in the national and international press.

5. However, recently, a renowned journalist of high-standing, Mr. Qutubuddin Aziz, has taken pains to marshal the evidence in a publication called "Blood and Tears." The book contains the harrowing tales of inhuman crimes committed on the helpless Biharis, West Pakistanis and patriotic Bengalis living in East Pakistan during that period. According to various estimates mentioned by Mr. Qutubuddin Aziz, between 100,000 and 500,000 persons were slaughtered during this period by the Awami League militants.

6. As far as we can judge, Mr Qutubuddin Aziz has made use of authentic personal accounts furnished by the repatriates whose families, have actually suffered at the hands of the Awami League militants. He has also extensively referred to the contemporary accounts of foreign correspondents then stationed in East Pakistan. The plight of the non-Bengali elements still living in Bangladesh and the insistence of that Government on their large-scale repatriation to Pakistan, are factors which appear to confirm the correctness of the allegations made against the Awami League in this behalf.

Provocation of the Army


7. We mention these facts not in justification of the atrocities or other crimes alleged to have been committed by the Pakistani Army during its operations in East Pakistan, but only to put the record straight and to enable the allegations to be judged in their correct perspective. The crimes committed by the Awami League miscreants were bound to arouse anger and bitterness in the minds of the troops, especially when they were not confined to barracks during these weeks immediately preceding the military action, but were also subjected to the severest of humiliations. They had seen their comrades insulted, deprived of food and ration, and even killed without rhyme or reason. Tales of wholesale slaughter of families of West Pakistani officers and personnel of several units had also reached the soldiers who were after all only human, and reacted violently in the process of restoring the authority of the Central Government.

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Magnitude of Atrocities


31. In the circumstances that prevailed in East Pakistan from the 1st of March to the 16th of December 1971, it was hardly possible to obtain an accurate estimate of the toll of death and destruction caused by the Awami League militants and later by the Pakistan Army. It must also be remembered that even after the military action of the 25th of march 1971, Indian infiltrators and members of the Mukti Bahini sponsored by the Awami League continued to indulge in killings, rape and arson during their raids on peaceful villages in East Pakistan, not only in order to cause panic and disruption and carry out their plans of subversion, but also to punish those East Pakistanis who were not willing to go along with them. In any estimate of the extent of atrocities alleged to have been committed on the East Pakistani people, the death and destruction caused by the Awami League militants throughout this period and the atrocities committed by them on their own brothers and sisters must, therefore, be always be kept in view.

32. According to the Bangladesh authorities, the Pakistan Army was responsible for killing three million Bengalis and raping 200,000 East Pakistani women. It does not need any elaborate argument to see that these figures are obviously highly exaggerated. So much damage could not have been caused by the entire strength of the Pakistan Army then stationed in East Pakistan even if it had nothing else to do. In fact, however, the army was constantly engaged in fighting the Mukti Bahini, the Indian infiltrators, and later the Indian army. It has also the task of running the civil administration, maintaining communications and feeding 70 million people of East Pakistan. It is, therefore, clear that the figures mentioned by the Dacca authorities are altogether fantastic and fanciful.

33. Different figures were mentioned by different persons in authority but the latest statement supplied to us by the GHQ shows approximately 26,000 persons killed during the action by the Pakistan Army. This figure is based on situation reports submitted from time to time by the Eastern Command to the General Headquarters. It is possible that even these figures may contain an element of exaggeration as the lower formations may have magnified their own achievements in quelling the rebellion. However, in the absence of any other reliable date, the Commission is of the view that the latest figure supplied by the GHQ should be accepted. An important consideration which has influenced us in accepting this figure as reasonably correct is the fact that the reports were sent from East Pakistan to GHQ at a time when the Army Officers in East Pakistan could have had no notion whatsoever of any accountability in this behalf.

34. The falsity of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's repeated allegation that Pakistani troops had raped 200,000 Bengali girls in 1971 was borne out when the abortion team he had commissioned from Britain in early 1972 found that its workload involved the termination of only a hundred or more pregnancies.

Hamoodur Rehman
 
On a recent trip to India, I was moved by the genuine concern people have about Pakistan. As a Pakistani living in the United States, I am subjected daily to serious exasperation, courtesy the American media. Americans do not understand Pakistan because they do not care. And there is no real knowledge without caring. Indians certainly do care. Pakistan has been on the Indian mind since the moment of their co-creation. India and Pakistan are like two ends of a thread tied in a fantastic Gordian knot; their attachment magically survives their severance. And how the love grows! The recent Jaswant Singh controversy over Jinnah only partially unveiled how Pakistan is critical to the ideological coherence of Indian nationalism in both its secular and Hindutva varieties. But behind this veil, Pakistan has always been internal to Indian politics. It should come as no surprise then that establishment Indians (bureaucratic and political elites, intellectuals, media types, and the chattering classes) are well-versed in the nuances of Pakistani society. Indians understand Pakistan like no one else does, or can.

Still, there is this curious blind spot: no one in India appears to remember 1971. Worse, no one seems to think it relevant. For all their sophistication, Indian elites continue to understand Pakistan primarily with reference to the events of 1947. Anything else is incidental, not essential. The established Indian paradigms for explaining Pakistan, its actions and its institutions, its state and society, have not undergone any significant shift since the Partition. The tropes remain the same: religion and elite manipulation explain everything. It is as if the pre-Partition politics of the Muslim League continues to be the politics of Pakistan—with slight non-essential variations. More than 60 years on, the factors may be different but little else has changed.

This view is deeply flawed. It reflects a serious confusion about the founding event of contemporary Pakistani society. The Partition has a mesmerising quality that blinds the mind, a kind of notional heft that far outweighs its real significance to modern South Asian politics. The concerns of the state of Pakistan, the anxieties of its society, and the analytic frames of its intellectual and media elites have as their primary reference not 1947 but the traumatic vivisection of the country in 1971. Indians have naturally focused on their own vivisection, their own dismemberment; but for Pakistan, they have focused on the wrong date. This mix-up has important consequences.



Oddly, the Indian elite seem to have a blind spot for the dismemberment india subjected Pakistan to in 1971. their focus never seems to shift from the partition.


First, Indians tend not to remember 1971 as a Pakistani civil war, but rather as India’s “good” war. It is remembered as an intervention by India to prevent the genocide of Bengalis by Pakistanis. The fact that the Bengalis themselves were also Pakistanis has been effaced from the collective memory of Indian elites. This makes 1971 merely another Kargil, or Kashmir, Afghanistan or Mumbai—an instance of Pakistan meddling in other people’s affairs, and of the Pakistani military’s adventurism in the region. This is why mention of Balochistan at Sharm el-Sheikh created such a stir in India. It was literally incomprehensible to Indians that Pakistan could accuse India of meddling in its internal affairs. Surely, this is the pot calling the kettle black. But what the Indian mind perceives as Pakistan’s ongoing divorce from reality is in fact Pakistan’s most fundamental political reality. The Pakistani establishment has internalised the memory of 1971. In all things, and at all times, it must account for India. Dismemberment has the requisite effect of focusing the mind on existential matters. Nothing can be taken for granted.

Second, the Indian establishment routinely misconstrues as ideological schizophrenia the Pakistani intellectual classes’ complicated responses to India. The nuances of the Pakistani experience of India are the very picture of incoherence to them. Worse, Pakistanis often frustrate the project of creating a common South Asian sensibility to bridge the political gaps between the two communities.

But again, no one in India accounts for 1971 when making such grand universalising (and, if I may add, genuinely noble) plans for the future of the region. Pakistani intellectual elites share with their Indian counterparts the normative horror of what the West Pakistani military did in the East. How can anyone in their right mind not deem such behaviour beyond the pale? But horror does not preclude abiding distaste for the Indian state’s wilful opportunism in breaking Pakistan apart. It is for this reason that while the intellectual classes in Pakistan, especially the English language press and prominent university scholars, have almost always condemned their state’s involvement in terrorist activity inside India proper, they have remained largely quiet concerning Kashmir. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Kashmir does not seem so different to them than East Pakistan.

It is for this same reason that there was no great outcry about the isi’s supposed involvement in the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul. The general sense among the educated elites was that India deserved it for trying to “encircle” Pakistan through Afghanistan. Indians process this either as paranoia or as a visceral hatred of India that blinds Pakistanis to facts. Perhaps there is some of this too. But it bears appreciating that Pakistan is a post-civil war society. Fear and anxiety concerning India’s intentions in the region are hardly limited to the so-called ‘establishment’ in Pakistan. It is a general fear, a well-dispersed fear, a social fear. And a relatively coherent fear at that.



]If the vantage point is 1971, it will allow Pakistan to be seen as a state that’s reacting to repeated defeats inflicted upon its forces by a larger neighbour.

This leads to the third, and perhaps the most important point. The Indian establishment does not see Pakistan as a ‘normal’ society. The substance of this abnormalcy is religion, which is also the irreducible difference between the two societies. It is the original sin and a foundational incoherence that is ultimately inescapable. And it has tremendous explanatory power. It explains both the ideological nature of the Pakistani state’s hatred of India and, simultaneously, the state’s manipulation of the zealous masses for its own ends. That these two explanations do not hold together coherently is besides the point to most Indians. This is an old story and is as such sensible. In the Indian imagination, Pakistan is endlessly regurgitating the politics of Jinnah and the erstwhile Indian Muslim League. While Indian politics moves on, Pakistan’s holds eerily still. I am certainly not one to deny that there are some obvious asymmetries between India and Pakistan. The nature of the relationship between religion and politics is certainly one of them. But it bears mentioning that perhaps the most relevant asymmetry concerns the repeated defeats suffered by the conventional Pakistani forces at the hands of their Indian counterparts. This asymmetry is neither that complicated nor particularly abnormal. It illuminates the actions of the Pakistani state as essentially strategic and only incidentally ideological. And in that sense, it allows an interpretation of Pakistan as a fairly pedestrian, even ‘normal’ post-conflict society in its relations with its much larger neighbour.

Ultimately, this is the real value of a renewed focus on 1971 rather than 1947. It normalises Pakistan. It allows for discussion of real differences between the two societies and the two states, rather than of reified stereotypes that have little political relevance any more. This is not to justify the actions of the Pakistani state, which are in many cases entirely unjustifiable on both moral and political grounds. It is merely to hope that a mutual comprehension of normalcy may lead to peace and progress. Certainly, no one will deny that there is value in that.


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Khurram Hussain (The author is with the Religious Studies Department at Yale University. He is also a member of the MacMillan Initiative on Religion, Politics and Society at Yale and a doctoral fellow at the Centre for Global Islamic Studies at Lehigh University.)

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Good article on the differences in the prisms thru which both Pakistanis and Indians see certain significant events. A couple of points highlighted by the author caught my eye.

It is for this reason that while the intellectual classes in Pakistan, especially the English language press and prominent university scholars, have almost always condemned their state’s involvement in terrorist activity inside India proper, they have remained largely quiet concerning Kashmir.

I have not seen too many articles form Pakistan condemning terrorist activity in India (even other than Kasmir ). It is good to know there is a segment in Pakistan at least admitting something like this happens.

If the vantage point is 1971, it will allow Pakistan to be seen as a state that’s reacting to repeated defeats inflicted upon its forces by a larger neighbour.

But it bears mentioning that perhaps the most relevant asymmetry concerns the repeated defeats suffered by the conventional Pakistani forces at the hands of their Indian counterparts.

Both these statements mention "repeated defeats", though by reading the jingoistic comments of some members in the forum it would seem like "repeated victories".

Finally I want to add a qoute by Asghar Khan (former Air Chief Marshal, Pakistan) ".....all the wars we have started with India, they have never started once, ... I am not one of those who think we face a threat from India"

An Enemy Imagined? Episode 1 Part One by Dawn from 2.19


If more people understood more there would be less problems.
 
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I dont think any Indian would have to apologize for 1971. It is Pakistan's own making.

Even though, Bangladesh (East Pakistan) had more population than West Pakistan, Punjabi Elites only invested about 40% of the budget that they had invested in West Pakistan - not just one year - from 1947 all through 1971. This maintained enough distrust among Bengalis on the intent of Pakistan.

When a Bengali won the election, he was not even allowed to rule. Mr. Bhutto, a so-called proponent of democracy, maintained his allegiance to the military government.

A civil unrest was turned into genocide and raping and murdering of millions of Bengalis and unfortunately author fails even to mention any thing.
The political instability in East Pakistan was Pakistan's responsibility, but as the author points out, and I have in the past as well, Pakistan's internal political issues do not justify India intervening and supporting separatists and terrorists in EP.

The US had far greater discrimination against a large chunk of its population, the African Americans, Native Americans etc. Slavery and segregation. Similar situations against the African and indigenous populations existed and continue to exist in countries such as Brazil in South America - EP never came close to that level of discrimination. Yet no one is suggesting external intervention and support for terrorists in those nations to resolve those internal issues because a certain class of people is 'discriminated against'.

And in case of India, Bengladeshis were flooding into India. How can anyone blame us when we had merely returned the favor what Pakistan did in 1965 (only 6 years).
J&K was disputed territory - India had unilaterally annexed the territory in violation of its commitment in the UNSC, and closed the door to dialog, which made Ayub try a military solution.

East Pakistan on the other hand was undisputed territory, nor is your excuse of 'refugees flooding India' a valid excuse. India was supporting terrorists and rebels in EP long before 1971, and a few days after Operation Searchlight, IG was calling on Manekshaw to start a war against Pakistan.

I pose this question before as well - In what world does starting a war and training, arming and infiltrating thousands of rebels and terrorists decrease refugees and instability? Do you realize how absurd the Indian excuse for aggression against Pakistan is?

India claims she was worried about refugees and did not have any money, so what does she do, plan on starting a war immediately and push in more terrorists that create havoc and violence and cause even more refugees. And while complaining about 'money' India spends tons on training camps, recruiting, training, feeding, clothing and equipping tens of thousands of rebels and terrorists, and plans to start a war whose course and result no rational individual could have predicted with certainty.

Absolute bullocks all of it, the excuse of refugees and money.
 
Excellent analysis.

Rajeev,

Please stop repeating the unsubstantiated '2-3 million killed' canard. There is absolutely no evidence validating those numbers, and we have a couple of threads in the history section discussing that. The Hamoodur Rehamn commission remains the most comprehensive study of the conflict and casualties inflicted, and based its conclusions on hard evidence, not rumor mongering of 'genocide'. Also note the atrocities by the rebels, that occurred before Op. Searchlight.

AM, you want to believe that genocide did not happen. Please read the link below

STATISTICS OF PAKISTAN'S DEMOCIDE

Beneath the consolidated overall toll I show my calculation from the partial estimates (line 81). These are rather close. Consolidating both ranges, I give a final estimate of Pakistan's democide to be 300,000 to 3,000,000, or a prudent 1,500,000 (line 82).

America, Pakistan ally at that time had sent this famous telegram called "blood telegram".

Archer Blood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I have not seen too many articles form Pakistan condemning terrorist activity in India (even other than Kasmir ). It is good to know there is a segment in Pakistan at least admitting something like this happens.

I don't think terrorist attacks in India have ever gone uncondemned in Pakistan, both by the intelligentsia and the government and institutions.

Both these statements mention "repeated defeats", though by reading the jingoistic comments of some members in the forum it would seem like "repeated victories".
Barring 1971 there was no defeat - stalemates in the other two wars, though some argue that had India continued in 1965 it could have won, but that enters the realm of coulda woulda shoulda.

Finally I want to add a qoute by Asghar Khan (former Air Chief Marshal, Pakistan) ".....all the wars we have started with India, they have never started once, ... I am not one of those who think we face a threat from India"
He is entitled to his opinion - but given the history of East Pakistan and Siachen, Pakistan cannot base its defensive policies on the basis of 'feelings'. Engagement between the two nations that results in tangible improvements and changes in the dynamics on the ground would be the way to measure the reduction of a potential threat.
 
AM, you want to believe that genocide did not happen. Please read the link below

STATISTICS OF PAKISTAN'S DEMOCIDE



America, Pakistan ally at that time had sent this famous telegram called "blood telegram".

Archer Blood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you even read the link you posted?

"I give a final estimate of Pakistan's democide to be 300,000 to 3,000,000, or a prudent 1,500,000 (line 82). "

'Between 300,000 and 3,00,000' - meaning he basically has no clue, and what evidence is he basing that on? Read through the excerpt of the HR commission I posted, it discusses some of the actual evidence that was used to arrive at the conclusions of how many killed etc. not merely speculation and guesstimates.

If you desire, you can follow the link I provided and read more of the report.
 
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