Three ISI Officers Removed From Their posts

[A.Rahman]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=2533


Three ISI officers punished



By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: Three military officers, including a colonel, have either been removed from the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) or their present assignment as a punishment for their “patchy involvement” in kidnapping of a retired brigadier, his daughter-in-law and four teenagers over a petty dispute that occurred some time back.

The ISI chief took strong exception to the involvement of two majors and a colonel in a brawl among the children of a general and a retired brigadier.

These officers were removed from the ISI or their present assignment with “full dose” given to them in military terminology. “Internal action” would be taken against the general in a way deemed fit by his seniors.

The action reflected “no compromise” on discipline in the armed forces and strict enforcement of rules and regulations. The general, along with his wife, has already tendered an apology after his son and others allegedly thrashed the retired brigadier’s son.

The story of the incident, which occurred in Sector I-8/4, was broken by The News Islamabad Bureau Chief Ansar Abbasi and it generated a debate at the highest level.

 

[A.Rahman]

Brig(ret) Taj is 80 is decorated war hero, these ISI guys should be demoted to the rank of private + prison sentence.

 

[sparten]

What? They misused their posts true and they have been punished for it. Case closed.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

No matter who is what or what is who.

The case has to be judged as per the law.

Personality and personal opinion and heroism or cowardice is no criteria for justice.

 

[blain2]

If and when the Army moves on disciplinary charges then usually its fairly harsh. So I have no doubt that all of the guys involved were given serious "rockets". The sad thing about this is that it happened due to a petty fight between the kids of the officers....had I been involved in such a thing, my dad would have kicked my arse back and forth for dragging his name down within the Army. Very unfortunate.
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[danishsaleem]

Hi,


Really amazing to find that three ISI Personal removed from their assignments, because they Kidnapped the retired Brigadier, but i wanted to know how many personal dismissed and removed from their assignment, when they kidnapped the Innocent Civilians, and after months, of struggle People knew that their relative was under protective custody or under Investigation.


really amazing,
and shamefull for me.

danish saleem

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Indeed all these three should have been demoted to the ranks of NCO's and made to work these posts till their retirements.

The General, whose son caused this problem---should have been court martialled and put in for a dishonourable discharge----all property confiscated and forced to settle in Dalbandin for 10 years.

 

[Mansoor A Qureshi]

This is the pitty with our nation, very few poeple left that are sincere to the country, everyone exploiting to his or her limits and army? Army is no exception if we have a infrastructure and corrupt system like this..... From where you are gonna have a clean dedicated army? I am sorry to say the value to our army is not the same like they were being respected around 65, the main reason for this maybe they are White Elephants.

Let me know if i am wrong

Regards

 

[blain2]

The point is very simple. Look at the state of our people. The Army comes from within the same people. While you can teach officers and men about Morality, honor and descipline, what they see on the other side is the exact opposite. Our nation as a whole is no longer being grounded with the dictums of Quaid (Unity, Faith, Descipline) so why are we so surprised when armymen do something weird? The same goes on daily on the civilian side...while the Army has rules and regulations and their implementation is rather stringent, but the acts still go on. I think some sanity in this whole issue is that while Army cannot stop individuals from reacting in inappropriate ways, it still makes sure that people get their asses handed to them if busted.

In the days when I was closer to the Army, the officers used to consider participating in Court Martial duties very important (almost to the point of obligatory). This was done so the order and discipline of the Army was maintained throughout and the izzat of the institution and unit was held high.

Let me relate a story here (this is actually one of my fathers). He was in the Khalid Company at PMA. There was a shop in and around the company messhall that used to keep items of daily usage like toothpaste, polish etc. for Cadets to purchase. The shop was run on the honor system where a cadet would pick up an item and drop the money for it (it was not manned). One time after inventory it was found that some money was missing for the items purchased. The word got around in the company about it and within a matter of hours, there was more money in the kitty than what was due.

The Khalid Coy cadets did not care who paid or not paid and went and deposited more money in order to save the company's izzat. This is how honor and dignity are maintained but in this day and age of materialism, these things are waning...thus we see problems like the one highlighted in this thread. I still think the armed forces do a much better job of instilling these values, but you have to have a solid grounding for these from the start (meaning at home and schools).

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Indeed army is concieved through its civilian population, but the process of becoming an army officer is unique. The training that a cadet goes through to become an officer is very different. I don't think that any other department of the govt or private industry puts its candidates through such a strenuous process of leadership training and people management as does the army.

Jinnahs dictum of unity faith and discipline have been misquoted and misunderstood by 99.999 % of pakistanis. The truth is that this dictum starts from the last item first and ie, without discipline, there is no faith and when there is no faith, there will never ever be unity try as we might forever.

And how is this true------when you join the army as a cadet------what does the subedar major instills in you at the top of his lungs----not faith----not unity----but discipline-discipline-discipline. He never yells unity----he never yells faith, because he knows that if you have discipline the rest will come to you easily.

Anyway, pakistani police, FIA, ISI have totally gone out of control. The politicians have used and abused them to meet their end goals. Now these paramillitary and millitary agencies have become the masters of their own dominion rather than the servants of the people.

Blain, what you are talking about is a moral issue. It is a sad state of affairs for the nation that the good people want to hide within themselves so that they may not be humiliated and degraded in public.

Does it not want you to believe that there is no ISLAM left in pakistan. What the pakistanis are following is their own version of the belief.

 

[blain2]

Hi,

Blain, what you are talking about is a moral issue. It is a sad state of affairs for the nation that the good people want to hide within themselves so that they may not be humiliated and degraded in public.

Yes and I think it is to an extent a morality issue. The ability to distinguish between the right and wrong is being lost in our society.

My sole point is that this abuse of power and lack of respect for law starts off early since children see their elders abuse and disrespect the system. Families and schools do not focus enough on ways to counter this trend and as such we see high-hendedness in all aspects of our lives be it civilian, gvernmental, private sector or the military (to a lesser extent in the latter two).