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U.S. Intel Shows Russian Plans for Potential Ukraine Invasion
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Alberto Nardelli
and
Jennifer Jacobs
21. november 2021 21.09 CET


The U.S. has shared intelligence including maps with European allies that shows a buildup of Russian troops and artillery to prepare for a rapid, large-scale push into Ukraine from multiple locations if President Vladimir Putin decided to invade, according to people familiar with the conversations.

That intelligence has been conveyed to some NATO members over the past week to back up U.S. concerns about Putin’s possible intentions and an increasingly frantic diplomatic effort to deter him from any incursion, with European leaders engaging directly with the Russian president. The diplomacy is informed by an American assessment that Putin could be weighing an invasion early next year as his troops again mass near the border.


The information lays out a scenario where troops would cross into Ukraine from Crimea, the Russian border and via Belarus, with about 100 battalion tactical groups -- potentially around 100,000 soldiers -- deployed for what the people described as an operation in rough terrain and freezing conditions, covering extensive territory and prepared for a potentially prolonged occupation.

Two of the people said about half that number of tactical groups was already in position and that any invasion would be backed up by air support.

The two people said that Moscow had also called up tens of thousands of reservists on a scale unprecedented in post-Soviet times. They explained the role of reservists in any conflict would be to secure territory in a later phase after the tactical battalions paved the way. Russia hasn’t publicly announced any major call-up of reservists.


One of the people said the U.S. had also shared information about an exponential rise in disinformation targeting Kyiv and that Moscow has recruited agents to try and sow destabilization inside Ukraine.

Putin last week denied any intention to invade but welcomed the alarm as evidence his actions had gotten the attention of the U.S. and its allies, which he accused of failing to take Russia’s “red lines” over Ukraine seriously enough.

America and others are not saying a war is certain, or even that they know for sure Putin is serious about one. The people said it is likely he has not yet decided what to do. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said this month: “I can’t speak to Russia’s intentions. We don’t know what they are.”

A senior administration official said the U.S. has under Biden demonstrated it is willing to use a number of tools to address harmful Russian actions and would continue to do so. The White House said it had no further comment.


NATO Chief Raises Alarm on Russian Build-Up Near Ukraine

The Russian leader has a history of brinkmanship and prior buildups on the border have come to naught. But officials say he is positioning to act if he wanted to, and they note that even as troops withdrew from an earlier escalation in April they left equipment behind, making the fresh buildup faster and easier.

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For Putin, Ukraine is unfinished business after his annexation of Crimea in 2014. He sees Ukraine as part of Russia and bristles at its outreach with the west, especially its nascent military engagement with NATO. While he has said he doesn’t want a war, in a speech last week he said his goal was to keep the U.S. and its allies on edge for “as long as possible, so nobody gets it into their head to cause a conflict we don’t need on our western borders.” He lambasted the U.S. and others for expanding military infrastructure in Ukraine and stepping up naval missions in the Black Sea and flights by warplanes along Russia’s borders.

Russian officials have said they want to see NATO stop its expanding cooperation with Ukraine and what Moscow sees as a buildup along its borders. There has also been some discussion of a fresh summit between Putin and U.S. President Joe Biden to defuse tensions. At the same time, Russian authorities understand that any attempt to occupy large amounts of Ukrainian territory militarily would face widespread public opposition on the ground and trigger sweeping western sanctions that could batter the Russian economy, people close to the leadership said.


Further diplomatic flurries are likely, while the U.S. has been considering re-upping and expanding a package of measures it put together this year during the prior troop buildup which could include sanctions.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov visited Washington last week and asked the Pentagon for more help defending the country’s airspace and coast. Ukraine’s foreign minister also traveled to Brussels last week. Echoing the U.S. concerns, its defense intelligence agency chief told the Military Times he believes Russia could be preparing for an attack by the end of January or early February involving airstrikes, amphibious assaults and an incursion though Belarus.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed such talk on Sunday, saying, “this hysteria is being built up artificially.”

“The ones who are accusing us of some kind of unusual military activity on our own territory are themselves sending their armed forces from across the ocean. I mean the United States of America. It’s not very logical and not very decent,” he told state television.

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The latest frictions come against a broader backdrop. Not only are troops massing again, but record-high gas prices leave Europe vulnerable to Russian largess on supplies. European Union members including Poland have also accused Russia of encouraging a refugee crisis as its ally Belarus funnels migrants toward the bloc. And a Russian weapons test that blasted a satellite out of orbit scattered a large field of debris, prompting U.S. accusations it had endangered the International Space Station’s crew.

Still, one of the people with knowledge of U.S. intelligence said these events are not believed to be part of a wider plan but are being exploited opportunistically by the Russian president.


Tensions between Russia and Ukraine blew up in 2014, when Moscow annexed the Crimean Peninsula and backed a separatist rebellion in the east of the country. That triggered sweeping U.S. and European sanctions, but the conflict has continued, killing about 14,000 people in east Ukraine. Two of the people said that any new attack would be on a scale far greater than seven years ago.


One of the people said a potential joint response needed to be agreed soon among allies that would be unequivocal and overwhelming if implemented, adding there was still a window of opportunity to deter Putin. It’s unclear at this stage if that would include a possible military response. French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian on Sunday said any violation of the Ukraine border by Russia would lead to “extremely grave consequences.”


Collaboration with Russia could also be cut off, said the person. Officials had noted small improvements in relations since Biden and Putin met in Geneva in June, including working together to tackle issues like climate change, making Moscow’s latest maneuvers all the more striking, the person added.

The U.S. warnings of potential invasion are seen in Moscow as a sign that Washington -- at least so far -- has no intention of compromise and is rallying trans-Atlantic unity against Russia. “The U.S. is laying the groundwork for a unified sanctions response,” said Dmitry Suslov, an expert on Russia’s relations with the U.S. and Europe at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.

While Western nations do not currently know the Kremlin’s intentions, they believe that military options are being presented and have little doubt that what they’re hearing and seeing would allow for a large scale attack should Putin decide to make a move in the new year. The people said the U.S. had high confidence in the reliability of the information it had shared with allies.

— With assistance by Gregory White, Henry Meyer, and Daryna Krasnolutska

Russia will invade Ukraine in new year, says Kiev’s chief of defense intelligence

Russia is preparing to invade Ukraine at the beginning of next year as Moscow has amassed more than 92,000 troops at the border, the head of Ukraine’s defense intelligence agency told Military Times on Saturday.

“Such an attack would likely involve airstrikes, artillery and armor attacks followed by airborne assaults in the east, amphibious assaults in Odessa and Mariupul and a smaller incursion through neighboring Belarus,” said Ukraine Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov.

Budanov estimates Russia is preparing for an attack by the end of January or beginning of February.

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“The attack Russia is preparing would be far more devastating than anything before seen in the conflict that began in 2014 that has seen some 14,000 Ukrainians killed,” Budanov added.

Tensions between Ukraine and Russia heightened this year when Moscow massed troops near the border and fighting intensified in eastern Ukraine. The two countries' relations have soured over the years since Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in March 2014.

The US, NATO, and Kiev have been expressing their concern over Russia’s latest movements near its border with Ukraine over the past two weeks.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “Attempts to resolve the Ukrainian crisis by force will trigger serious consequences… Ukraine is most likely seeking another attempt to start solving its own problem by force, creating another disaster for itself and for everyone in Europe.”

Peskov said that the West’s “hysteria” over the possibility of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine were “being escalated artificially.”

“Those who have brought their armed forces overseas are accusing us of some unusual military activity on our territory. That is, the US. Well, this is not entirely logical and not entirely decent,” Peskov added.

 
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Will EU respond or will it get their bluff called?
 
Will EU respond or will it get their bluff called?

Russia will face a bloody nose if they invade anything beyond Donetesk. The Ukraine military is far stronger than it was in 2014 and has been equipped to the teeth by the west.

Ukraine has 350k soldiers compared to Russias 100k. Ukraine will also be able to call up militia forces.

To me it appears that NATO/West/Turkey are in particular trying to provoke a Russian invasion of Ukraine.. Putin seems to at the moment not give a shit and might fall for the trap. A prolonged occupation of Ukraine would drastically tie down Russian forces, lead to strong sanctions, and would globally effect Russia's image.

Putin may have calculated that the best time to act is now, esp as he see's Ukraine eventually joining NATO.
 
I would like to object to the above statement: Turkey is not provoking Russia for anything... There is a total trade volume of 100 billion dollars between the two countries, there is a huge area of cooperation from nuclear power plants to energy lines, from tourism to construction sector, from agriculture to banking sector. Every time there is an attack on the Russian economy, one of the countries affected is Turkey. Especially in the last five years, Turkey and Russia have managed to come out of the most difficult diplomatic crises with common sense. The main reason for this is that both countries have started to explore areas of common interest in potential cooperation areas. The perception of Russia in Turkey is not as bad as you might think. At least the latest situation is much better than the US perception.

As you know, Ukraine has recently received services from Turkish defense companies such as Baykar, Aselsan and TAI or invested in (or take invest)some projects. Especially in the field of UAV, the systems obtained by Ukraine are called "Turkish aircrafts", which is an extremely erroneous (or deliberately disinformative) statement. In fact, these are Ukrainian planes. After Turkish companies sells these systems, its operational responsibility and militarily use is entirely under the authority of the Ukrainian defense ministry. Just as we cannot hold Russia responsible for every regional conflict, (while Russian-made weapons are actively used all over the world today): It is irrational to portray this situation as Turkey's intervention in Ukraine. In Libya, in Karabakh, these systems directly faced each other, but it was not Turkish or Russian operators who used the systems.

Anyway... the best scenario for Turkey: Ukraine and Russia to solve their problems at the peace table. A perfect storm is approaching, if you include the full scale Ukrainian war into this equation, not a single person in the world can escape the consequences. Despite all the provocations of the USA and the conspiracies of the NATO gladio (yes, dozens of admirals and officers were imprisoned with fake cases in Turkey due to these attempts), Turkey, Russia (and some other black sea countries) created a joint mechanism and established BLACKSEAFOR, for such future risks. The main purpose of such initiatives was to strengthen trust and deepen dialogue in our region. Imho, It may be in the interests of some parties in the short term to completely break the dialogue and overthrow the peace table, but in the long run it will only serve the grand strategy of the globalists.
 
Russia will face a bloody nose if they invade anything beyond Donetesk.

Russia is not going for Donetesk they already have it since some pro-russian militants are there but Russia is going for everything east of the Dnipro river
 
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Russia is not going for Donetesk they already have it since some pro-russian militants are there but Russia is going for everything east of the Dnipro river

That includes kiev then... Russia will get a bloody nose. It will be like their invasion of afghanistan but on a scale of x3. Ukraine has been armed to the teeth with manpads, javelins, Turkish/American UCAVs, latest sniper rifles, machine guns, etc... Ukrainian defence industry is one of the most advanced in the world.

Russia might take Kiev in a few weeks, but afterwards ukrainian people/militias will put up a guerilla warfare type campaign. Ethnic ukrainians are still the large majority (80%) and are extremely anti-russian right now. Strategically it would be a shit situation for Moscow. For NATO it will be like having a strategic victory on a platter-

1) Russia strategically gets bogged down. Nato will continue to supply guerilla fighters
2) Russia will spend a lot of its time/resources severely effecting its economy
3) Europe will effectively shelve the nordstream 2 pipeline. A huge diplomatic/economic opening will happen with Turkey. Pipelines through turkey via azerbaijan will open up to europe.
4) US will have a major diplomatic victory and the whole world will react in a negative way. This is the 21st century. You cant just invade a soverign country and take its land anymore.

Russia has far more to lose in my opinion. It will be like the repeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and will lead to the decay of Russian society from the inside due to all the economic blowback.
 
The NSA called it out back in November.
 
I guess my analysis was completely on point. Wonder how this got lost...
 
US intelligence is well known dogshit and this is not a lucky guess either. a group of American operatives smuggled nukes into kiev in late January which inevitably triggered putin's seemingly radical response. Not sure if this group has anything to do with biden administration but SOMEONE in America wanted this war badly
 

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