The real face of American Fundamentalist

[A.Rahman]

While Bush and his cronies are crying about closing Maderssa in Pak; they are forgetting that the real fundamentalists are growing in their own backyard.
The worst of all is that they can blend easily; maybe in the next 20 years one of them could be working in a nuclear power plant; creating a "Jesus" bomb or one of them can become an admiral and command the "God's Army" [ like God told bush to Invade Iraq]


Just to let you guys know that there has been a 70% increase in fundamentalist Christian schools; 300% increase in brainwashing Cd's (aka Chrsitain music) [equivalent of OBL's Fatwa tape]

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[PakSniper]

A little girl in the 2nd video said, "were being trained to be soldiers but in a more funner way". I have many army friends with no legs and arms, and it's not fun at all, so I don't see how they can say it's fun don't they see the photo's of those US troops? Or it's being censored out.

But now were (Muslims) being told it's wrong, while in their "Jesus Camp" they are being thought to kill. So whats the point of blaming the ME if they have been doing this in the center of US, and the question is for how long has this been happening? Pointing fingers at others house has been getting easier, but others pointing at you has been getting hard to do.

Even the recent Virginia Tech (Korean student) who did the shootings boasted with "Jesus" one to many times, guess relgion in the future might be used to commit more than one acts.

I think a saying goes like this; "People shouldn't throw stones in a glass house".

 

[Ababeel]

Bush is telling the world that Islamic world should control the madrassas because they are creating terrorists who are very dangerous to the world peace, however the policies of west specially US and particularly of Bush the terrorist who belongs to this same fundamentalist Evengalical sect of Christianity, who according to themselves believe in the belief of "Rapture" i.e. the transfer of Christians or Evengalist Christians to heavens when there will be too much bloodshed in Middle East. As per their belief 2/3rd Jews will be massacred and 1/3rd will be convert to Christianity and later there will be one nation under christian rule in this world.
So as per their belief they must act to spread as much bloodshed as possible in Middle East so the happening of Rapture will be earlier.

 

[zraver]

You guys are so far off base its not even funny. While fundamentalist Christians have created a few nutjobs, the madrassas have created tens of thousands. Also the rapture is not tied to the Jews, but to the man of sin. Nor is the death of 2/3rds of Israel called for or predicted anywhere in the bible.

Christians don't spread bloodshed, we spread peace. Imagine a world without Christian Charity and the orginisations that are funded by that basic tenet of the faith.

 

[Wounded Healer]

While fundamentalist Christians have created a few nutjobs, the madrassas have created tens of thousands.

friend, plz get ur facts right.................not all muslims who study in madrassas are terrorists...............most of the madrassas are doing a good job of teaching our children the true values of our religion...........it is just a few misguided people who have tarnished the image of islam..................dont blame all the muslims, as we dont blame all the americans for what BUSH and his administration are doing the world over.

 

[Adux]

WoundHealer,

What Zraver is trying to convey is that the 'few' in madrassah's are far more in number,capability and resolve than the 'few' in Jesus Camp. Which I agree. It doesnt Islam is relgion of bloodshed nor is Christainity. Islamic Terrorism, have been able to affect in a global scale.

 

[Ababeel]

Adux,
Before using the term Islamic Terrorism you should see your own house, the kind of murderers & Fascists and Hindu terrorists such as Modis, Vinay Katiyars, Sheshadaris,Thakre and anti humanity and murderous organisations like RSS, Wishwa Hindu Parishad, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena, Hindu Munnani etc.
We know very well how much you people like or respect Islam and what are the future plans of these Hindu fascist organisations and leader for Indian Muslims.

 

[Wounded Healer]

WoundHealer,

What Zraver is trying to convey is that the 'few' in madrassah's are far more in number,capability and resolve than the 'few' in Jesus Camp. Which I agree. It doesnt Islam is relgion of bloodshed nor is Christainity. Islamic Terrorism, have been able to affect in a global scale.

Adux,
no religion promotes bloodshed...........but to label any one religion for all the evils that are going on in this world is wrong..........U, urself used the term ISLAMIC TERRORISM which is a common misconception, propounded by the western media.............i am not here to start a debate on what is right or wrong but what i am really trying to say is that dont blame a religion because of a few misguided people...........every religion has balck sheeps.......be it islam, chritianity or hinduism..........the only problem is that the deeds of a few islamic black sheeps have been blown out of proportion and then conveyed to the world...........we must understand the reason behind all this and then form our own point of view............
a friendly piece of advice .......dont believe everything u read about islam...........read the quran urself and only then u'll come to know about its true teachings.
as far as the ISLAMIC TERRORISTS r concerned..........well, i dont even count them among the muslims.

 

[Adux]

Wounded Healer,

Islamic Terrorism, For me is about people using the Islam as a reason for their Violence, I dont know much about Islam, But I do know that it doesnt promote terrorism or violence on innocents.

I would say the same for people using any religion wether Hindu/Chrisitian/Islam/ or organization such as baathist etc as a reason for violence. I dont agree with you when you say Few blacksheeps in Islam have done something that is small but blown out of proportion. 9/11 is not anything small.... People using the name of Islam.and those people are making a lot of noise. They made a 11year old kid kill Gulab nabi by cutting his throat. If people from other relgions are mis-judging you and your religion. It becomes you are duty to stand up denounce and hunt down the people who are using your relgion for their benfits. If the moderates dont stand up, Thinks will get even worse. Your silence is being used by extremist to their benfit. Because of them Other people ill-treat them, and slowly more moderates become extremists. Its a vicious cycle. And the moderates are the one who can stop it, by plucking the root.

I have a strong secular view and I dont have any ill-feelings about Islam in general,and I have my reservations about all religions even my own... I would have to say that you got my wrong on that aspect.

 

[Adux]

Adux,
Before using the term Islamic Terrorism you should see your own house, the kind of murderers & Fascists and Hindu terrorists such as Modis, Vinay Katiyars, Sheshadaris,Thakre and anti humanity and murderous organisations like RSS, Wishwa Hindu Parishad, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena, Hindu Munnani etc.
We know very well how much you people like or respect Islam and what are the future plans of these Hindu fascist organisations and leader for Indian Muslims.

Who said those people you mentioned are not extremist or Hindu Terrorists.

 

[Wounded Healer]

Adux my friend,
i know and understand what ur saying and respect ur point of view ............as i said before in my introduction, i have been visiting this site for quite a while now and i know where most of my fellow members stand ..........so i didnt get u wrong.........

Few blacksheeps in Islam have done something that is small but blown out of proportion. 9/11 is not anything small

as far as 9/11 goes..........well in my opinion , no MUSLIM was responsible for that.......it was a very well planned operation, and we all know who was really responsible........and plz dont ask me for any links ...........i'd rather rely on my own intellect

If people from other relgions are mis-judging you and your religion. It becomes you are duty to stand up denounce and hunt down the people who are using your relgion for their benfits. If the moderates dont stand up, Thinks will get even worse. Your silence is being used by extremist to their benfit. Because of them Other people ill-treat them, and slowly more moderates become extremists. Its a vicious cycle. And the moderates are the one who can stop it, by plucking the root.

totally agree with u brother...............and this is exactly what me and my generation are trying to do...........it may take us a little while but we will get there eventually............but what hurts me more is when intelligent and educated people blame my religion and all the muslims...........this attitude is very dangerous and may result in catastrophe..............

on the other hand, we should all take care that we dont say anything that may hurt other people's feelings..........i hope u got my point
regards

 

[Ababeel]

I never heard a single such term in "SECULAR" Indian media (specially Doordarshan TV channel) against these people whether its destruction of Babri masjid ,carnage in Gujarat etc.We know your secularism very well.
These people are gaining more and more ground due to patronage by bureaucracy which in turn is controlled by Upper caste Hindus, the root of all these evil causes.

 

[Contrarian]

I never heard a single such term in "SECULAR" Indian media (specially Doordarshan TV channel) against these people whether its destruction of Babri masjid ,carnage in Gujarat etc.We know your secularism very well.

Thats because DoorDarshan is govt owned. There are NUMEROUS private news channels, bother looking through them.

These people are gaining more and more ground due to patronage by bureaucracy which in turn is controlled by Upper caste Hindus, the root of all these evil causes.

What do you KNOW about upper caste Hindu's that you are commenting on the 'root cause' of problems. I am an upper caste hindu here, talk to me what you wanna talk.

And Adux is here who is not upper caste, and he will dispel your theories about upper caste and lower caste.