the false accusation of mohajir republican army

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[Peaceful Civilian]

Who barked to separate Karachi from Pakistan??

 

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[SBD-3]

Whose language was imposed upon Bengalis which led to language movement, resulting into ultimate separation?

 

[W.11]

Whose language was imposed upon Bengalis which led to language movement, resulting into ultimate separation?

language was a very minor problem to other very big problems

actually nobody cares about language till he gets his equal share, you know what i mean?

 

[SBD-3]

language was a very minor problem to other very big problems

actually nobody cares about language till he gets his equal share, you know what i mean?

1-India started off with 14 national languages. Pakistan started with one. India now stands at around 18 and we still continue to linger with one. If a language had the right of being the national language of Pakistan it should have been bengali. Here is some history for you

In 1948, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Pakistan's first Governor-General, declared in Dhaka (then usually spelled Dacca in English) that "Urdu, and only Urdu" would be the common language for all of Pakistan.[29] This proved highly controversial, since Urdu was a language that was only spoken in the West by Muhajirs and in the East by Biharis, although the Urdu language had been promoted as the lingua franca of Indian Muslims by political and religious leaders such as Sir Khwaja Salimullah, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk and Maulvi Abdul Haq. The language was considered a vital element of the Islamic culture for Indian Muslims; Hindi and the Devanagari script were seen as fundamentals of Hindu culture. The majority groups in the western wing of the Dominion of Pakistan (provinces, states and tribal areas merged in 1956 as West Pakistan) spoke Punjabi, while the Bengali language was spoken by the vast majority of East Bengalis (from 1956, East Pakistan). The language controversy eventually reached a point where East Bengal revolted while the other part of Pakistan remained calm even though Punjabi was spoken by the majority of the population of the western wing. Several students and civilians lost their lives in a police crackdown on 21 February 1952. The day is revered in Bangladesh and in West Bengal as the Language Martyrs' Day. Later, in memory of the 1952 deaths, UNESCO declared 21 February as the International Mother Language Day in 1999
Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2-When Karachi was declared the capital instead of Dhaka, the bengalis were deprived their right.
3-Bengalis broke off because they were denied their democratic Majority not equality. When one unit was created and bengali majority of 60% was removed with "equality" of 50% of both east and west, the deprivation intensified.
4-When despite holding "democratic majority" when Awami League was snatched and handed over to Bhutto sahib, this proved the last nail in the coffin.
Had Pakistanis respected the majority mandates of democracy, we wouldn't have been in this ****. Read some history before making pointless ranting.

 

[W.11]

1-India started off with 14 national languages. Pakistan started with one. India now stands at around 18 and we still continue to linger with one. If a language had the right of being the national language of Pakistan it should have been bengali. Here is some history for you

2-When Karachi was declared the capital instead of Dhaka, the bengalis were deprived their right.
3-Bengalis broke off because they were denied their democratic Majority not equality. When one unit was created and bengali majority of 60% was removed with "equality" of 50% of both east and west, the deprivation intensified.
4-When despite holding "democratic majority" when Awami League was snatched and handed over to Bhutto sahib, this proved the last nail in the coffin.
Had Pakistanis respected the majority mandates of democracy, we wouldn't have been in this ****. Read some history before making pointless ranting.

lets not go into very shallow and superficial stuff

india and pakistan had separate paths for very obvious reasons

the language problem was not only with bengalis but punjab, KPK, balochistan also adopted urdu language

the grievance just like balochistan for east pakistan was the revenue it generated and the place where their revenue was all used up(west pakistan)

east pakistan was left poor, to rot in hell and all economic developments reached west pakistan

when pakistan was making islamabad, the revenue was all used up from east pakistan

the two units which ayub khan made also made bengalis angered

the two units made bengalis only responsible for east pakistan even though they had the majority

and then the fauji operation headed by niazi was the nail on the coffin

the capital was karachi and not dhaka angered bengalis is a very rubbish thinking, why would bengalis be angered by karachi becoming the capital and not dhaka?, its like saying punjab was angered by karachi becoming capital too, but did punjab got angered?

lastly it was the discrimination in the form of stereotypes on bengalis like they are black, just like you have said about mohajirs, and they are fish eaters and they are short

all these things contributed to them parting ways

feudalism which is present in sindh and punjab also contributed largely

bengalis were not familiar with shahi people like feudal, they had no feudal in their rank, the feudal of punjab and sindh thought that how can small black fishing eating bengalis even be superior to them just because they have the majority, the same feudalism is playing part in balochistan grievances

yes bhutto also played his part but then, where did bhutto got the major support from in west pakistan? was it balochistan, or KPK or sindh?

 

[haviZsultan]

There is no hope for the MQM supporters. They will drown in their hatred for the other ethnic groups but will not accept any responsibility for the current situation in Karachi and partly the situation in Hyderabad. We Pakistanis are a divided people, incapable of understanding what unity means.

MQM's support is nothing but the success of ethnic politics in Pakistan and how any political party can incite murder. Altaf Hussain had 3576 cases against him before the NRO forgave everything. From 1985-1990 3000 people died in Karachi. Only an year earlier MQM had been formed.

Pakistanis do not want their nation to succeed, Karachites particularly. They only think of themselves as seperate, disparate ethnic groups with not any feeling for Pakistan. Action against the MQM should be taken and Altaf Hussain should be arrested for calling for the break up of Pakistan calling the partition the biggest blunder in the history of mankind. In an ideal society no one would listen to a madman like Altaf Hussain. But since we are stone age barbarians this is not to happen in Pakistan. We have made our country a joke.

 

[SBD-3]

lets not go into very shallow and superficial stuff...........................................................

Fall of Dhaka
Col Riaz Jafri

Sunday, December 16, 2012 - December 16 comes every year to haunt the nation, particularly those few remaining who were witness to the debacle. I had the misfortune to be one. On this day the Quaid’s Pakistan, which was considered an epitome of ‘Divided we Stand’, got actually divided by breaking lose all bonds of unity between the two wings. That day the largest Muslim army suffered the humiliation of the greatest defeat. This was the darkest day of our national history that stunned everyone. How did it happen? Equipped with the hindsight knowledge, I will try to reconstruct some of the sad saga.

In early July 70 I was posted to East Pakistan as the Principal Staff Officer (GSO-1) to late Major General Rao Farman Ali Khan – in charge Martial Law (Civil Affairs). In my such capacity I had the opportunity of seeing the events unfolding themselves from the vantage viewpoint of the Governor’s House, Dacca – the then epicentre of the entire activity in East Pakistan. I had also access to the events of the past buried in the files which kept popping up randomly during my daily official work. This all presented me with a fairly clear picture of all that was happening there and why. If I am asked who to blame for the debacle I would say that we were all – from the common man in the street to the highest person in the office, equally responsible for it. The common man for committing the sin of keeping himself ignorant of the under currents simmering there ever since that fateful 19TH day of March 1948 when Quaid raising his admonishing finger to the Bengali students at the Dacca University convocation had warned them that Urdu will be the only official state language of Pakistan, and not trying to assess the anguish caused to the Bengalis and take measures to bring the rapprochement. The highest in authority were guilty of being too greedy, power hungry and selfish. Unfortunately we all treated East Pakistan as a colony of ours and never granted them their justly deserved status of being the major human organ of the Pakistan’s body – 54 percent of the population. As power barons of the Federal government mostly haled from West Pakistan they never shared the power willingly or happily with their Bengali brethren. Imagine, the Bengalis though in majority going jubilant in 1956 when Suhrawardy got them the ‘parity’ (equal treatment) with the West Pakistanis! Ever heard of a majority thanking the minority for treating them as equals? We did it again in 1971.

The minority pronouncing the majority unpatriotic, traitor and secessionist! Minority forcing the majority to leave the country whose foundations they had laid in 1906! Not only, that the Bengalis were treated as un-equals but it is also a fact that they were the major revenue earner for Pakistan during its early years, mainly through the export of their Golden Fibre to Manchester and Dundee jute mills in the UK. They bore the major financial burden of Pakistan and happily too for more than 15 years and till 1962 the cash flow was from East Pakistan to West Pakistan. Thereafter, after an equilibrium of about two years the process reversed but not that heavily. Bengalis had, therefore, every reason to be chary of and chagrin with the sala Punzabis. (every West Pakistani was a Punjabi to them). Though the Bengalis proved themselves to be equally, if not more, patriotic than the West Pakistan during the 65 war with India, yet the state of mutual confidence between the two left more to be desired. By 1970 the relations deteriorated further and irreversibly. The proverbial last straw that broke the camel’s back was Bhutto’s rejection of the 1970 election results which had given Shaikh Mujib ur Rehman’s Awami League a clear cut majority to form the government at the centre. ZAB’s one after the other statements like “we will break the legs of any one going to Dacca to attend the NA session there”, “Udhar tum idhar humm”, “ Anyone going to Dacca should buy only one way ticket as he will not be allowed to return” and “I would rather be a top dog of half of Pakistan than be an underdog of full Pakistan” left little doubt in the minds of Mujib and company who opted for the Civil Disobedience in the province. Their provincial autonomy stance kept becoming tougher by the day and all negotiations between them and the West Pakistani leaders and the Federal government led by Gen Yahya himself failed.

Handling of the East Pakistan issue at the International level, too, was a fiasco on our part. We had not only not mobilised any world opinion in our favour but had rather alienated them mostly. On the other hand Indira Gandhi undertook a whirlwind tour of 19 countries in October 1970 propagating the imaginary atrocities against the Bengalis and particularly the Hindus of East Pakistan and yet assuring each one of them that India had no designs of attacking it. While she was convincing and canvassing the world powers, her army’s Eastern Command was giving the final touches to the Attack Plan in Fort William at the eastern bank of river Hooghly, Calcutta. Whereas in our case despite Nixon’s more or less ordering Kissinger to ‘do some thing’ their 7th Fleet just passed by the Bay of Bengal without even radioing the customary courtesy good will message or tooting its horns thrice ceremonially. I am personally a witness to the Chinese repeated enquiries as to what could they do, after we had established am emergency radio link with them? But all that we could get from the stupor laden President’s Secretariat at Rawalpindi was, “Just wait, please”.

Hopes from the sincere Chinese friends were so high that when the Indians parachuted their troops at Narain Ganj every one thought them to be the Chinese! Our Eastern Command had a morbid fear of the Indians capturing a piece of the territory and passing it on to the Muktis who would plant a flag there and declare it to be Bangladesh, and which the Indians will recognise instantly. Thus giving birth to Bangladesh. Consequently they spread the troops in a thin line all along the border, weakening themselves all over. There was no depth, no reserves, no second lines. There was enemy (Indians) in the front and enemy at the back (Muktis). They never realised that it was not the territory but the capital of the country that mattered. It had to be the Warsaw, the Paris, the Moscow, the Berlin and in our case the Dacca which until captured by the enemy the country would not fall. If only they had concentrated all the troops in Dacca, made a fortress out of it and fought there for months, which they could do, the East Pakistan story would have been different. We still wouldn’t have been able to avert the creation of Bangladesh but it would have come into being by the intervention of the world powers and probably the UNO itself. Pakistan would not have had to suffer the ignominy of the defeat.
Fall of Dhaka

 

[SBD-3]

There is no hope for the MQM supporters. They will drown in their hatred for the other ethnic groups but will not accept any responsibility for the current situation in Karachi and partly the situation in Hyderabad. We Pakistanis are a divided people, incapable of understanding what unity means.

MQM's support is nothing but the success of ethnic politics in Pakistan and how any political party can incite murder. Altaf Hussain had 3576 cases against him before the NRO forgave everything. From 1985-1990 3000 people died in Karachi. Only an year earlier MQM had been formed.

Pakistanis do not want their nation to succeed, Karachites particularly. They only think of themselves as seperate, disparate ethnic groups with not any feeling for Pakistan. Action against the MQM should be taken and Altaf Hussain should be arrested for calling for the break up of Pakistan calling the partition the biggest blunder in the history of mankind. In an ideal society no one would listen to a madman like Altaf Hussain. But since we are stone age barbarians this is not to happen in Pakistan. We have made our country a joke.

Actually there are two broader catagories in Urdu Speaking people. Firstly, general Urdu speaking people. I have met across ethnicities and I can testify that those are some of the nicest people you would ever meet. The second group is those of MQMiets, these people breath, sleep and talk hatred. I had three hardcore MQM in my department while working with my previous employer. And the first thing that these people would utter after coming into office is "mohajir" and last thing that they said before going back was "mohajirs". The result was that everybody started keeping distance from them even the urdu-speaking colleagues. I had an impression about Sindhis being most ethnically motivated people but these people were not far behind.

 

[W.11]

Actually there are two broader catagories in Urdu Speaking people. Firstly, general Urdu speaking people. I have met across ethnicities and I can testify that those are some of the nicest people you would ever meet. The second group is those of MQMiets, these people breath, sleep and talk hatred. I had three hardcore MQM in my department while working with my previous employer. And the first thing that these people would utter after coming into office is "mohajir" and last thing that they said before going back was "mohajirs". The result was that everybody started keeping distance from them even the urdu-speaking colleagues. I had an impression about Sindhis being most ethnically motivated people but these people were not far behind.

concocted stories with a touch of flattery, its the ganja bradran themselves whose first word is mohajir and last word is mohajirs, they know the importance of karachi and mohajirs between them and the fruit called karachi

MQMist or not, you cant categorise urdu spakers as MQMist or not, because every urdu speaker supports MQM or atleast from his heart , urdu speakers have many ethnicities and thats where you can categorise them into

 

[SBD-3]

concocted stories with a touch of flattery, its the ganja bradran themselves whose first word is mohajir and last word is mohajirs, they know the importance of karachi and mohajirs between them and the fruit called karachi

MQMist or not, you cant categorise urdu spakers as MQMist or not, because every urdu speaker supports MQM or atleast from his heart , urdu speakers have many ethnicities and thats where you can categorise them into

Well thats what you believe