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The dissection of a terrorist

PESHAWAR: Do you want to know if terrorists went to schools similar to the ones you studied at or if they studied at all? Do you ever wonder if all those held responsible for massacre and extortion are locals of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or if they are natives of another province as determined by their mother tongue? Is it correct to assume they were all trained in Afghanistan – the area we oft categorise as the mother ship of all evil and blame for cross-border infiltration?

These are the same kind of questions the police were also interested when they launched Evidence-Based Policing (EBP) in K-P. The decision was taken by IGP Nasir Khan Durrani to collate qualitative information from interrogation reports of terrorists, militants, target killers, extortionists and kidnappers arrested by the counter-terrorism department (CTD). The 480 individuals whose responses were combed through and analysed were arrested in 2014 and 2015. All 480 detainees are men.

Limitations

Evidence-Based Policing uses available proof to find trends and predict and prevent crimes. The analysis and research of this data set to help EBP was quite a challenge as when the K-P police started collating the data, it was based on information recorded in interrogation reports.

Variables which should be discreet became contiguous, such as the description of nationality. In some reports nationality would be stated as Pukhtun while in others Pathan, and at times Pukhtuns were described as Afghan – a term used for Pukhtuns for centuries. In some cases interrogators were more specific and wrote only a sub-clan in the report which was very difficult to trace to main tribe.

All this qualitative data was then run through statistical software. To improve EBP efforts, questionnaires are being developed to be used during interrogation to standardise information gathering.

Beyond the stereotypes

For many, the results were an eye-opener. For instance, it was discovered only 35 militants received formal “jihadi training”. Of these only one was trained in Afghanistan; 34 were trained inside Pakistan.


No information was gleaned about the location of the training camps or the duration of time spent there.

Of the 480 criminals and militants, 437 were locals and only 23 of them were Afghan refugees. The nationality of 20 had not been recorded by interrogators. That suggests almost all of the arrested individuals were estimated to be from Pakistan – a whopping 95%.

To the police analysts, this indicated the local element of militancy remains far greater than cross-border terrorism and crime. Those based in Afghanistan are then suspected to be mostly involved in planning.

[Only a minor portion of the terrorists were trained in Jihad-- and a VERY VERY less portion of them were trained in Afghanistan, while majority trained in Pakistan]

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Talking to The Express Tribune, CTD Director Research and Analysis Fasihuddin said EBP has been in widespread use in Europe and was considered highly effective. According to him, the K-P police had achieved another first in Pakistan by introducing something EBP.

The result of this analysis is stunning—in spite of the limitations—for example I discovered each and every terrorist is not affiliated with a seminary as we often believe,” he said. Fasihuddin is also the president of Pakistan Society of Criminology.

Then they are not being trained in Afghanistan,” he said. “A majority of them were Pashto speaking, Pakistani nationals.” Fasihuddin added this study would enable the police to introduce a realistic counter-terrorism strategy.

“We further discovered most of the arrested were Pukhtuns, a significant number from the Afridi clan [at least 43]. This was followed by Mohmand, Marwat, Banochi, Gandapur and Gujjar,” he added.

When we looked at why more Afridi tribesmen were involved in militancy than others, it was evident lack of job opportunities was a big factor,” said Fasihuddin. “IGP Nasir Durrani wrote to the government to address this root cause.” He explained this was just one example of how this would help understand militancy and its causes.

The director admitted incomplete data resulted in serious problems during analysis. “But every effort is being made to overcome these issues.” He explained interrogators were being trained and standard operating procedures were being developed.

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Tongue-tied

Most of the terrorists and criminals arrested were found to be Pashto speaking. The following data set has overlaps as some people are bilingual or trilingual.

A matter of schooling

At the time, the interrogators felt no need to explore the educational background of the suspects. This threw up more obstacles for the analysts as around 60% of those interrogated did not offer a substantial answer.

Only four of the accused had purely a religious education – nominal in scope, mostly limited to Hafiz-e-Quran or initial schooling.

Only 14 or 3% of the accused were found to have an affiliation with certain seminaries.

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Globetrotters

Often dialogue on ISIS revolves around fighters’ foreign footprints. When it comes to home-grown militancy, this is limited to time spent in Afghanistan.

The interrogation data suggest otherwise as 62 of those arrested had been to a foreign country including Saudi Arabia and even the UK. The purpose of these visits varies from jihad to employment. Most visits to Saudi Arabia were aimed at performing Hajj and Umrah. One militant made repeated trips to Afghanistan for jihad from time to time.

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Most of the criminals and terrorists were found to be married. At least 61% of all those in the study were married. The marital status of 14% could not be determined.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 1st, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1076735/evidence-based-the-dissection-of-a-terrorist/

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I thought you guys might like to read this, very VERY interesting, myth busting and eye opening facts indeed. This is just of the K-P province, if they conduct a similar study in other provinces, i believe we will see such revealing facts there too.

Searched in the forum, couldn't find a similar thread--hope this is new. If you have already read this, kindly ignore.
 
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This is interesting but data is very limited to form any opinion on the general trend. Some more interesting and informative data to be used for trending may include
1-Which group do the belong to
2-Reason for joining that group
3-parents profession
4-number of siblings and their professions
5-Any threat from any organization
6-Did they join the group in to seek strength/power to take revenge from someone
7-Did any close family member died in a drone attack
8-Did any family member died in a terrorist attack carried out by some other group, If yes which group
9-Financial condition of family
10-Did any friend introduced them to the group
11-Did they join for financial benefits
12-Love life/heart broken
13-Did they breakup with anyone
14-Motive of joining the group
15-Motive of carrying out the act

Answers to these questions will help better understand the circumstances and the reasons, language alone is plain misleading especially as we know the KPK has been the center of most terrorism activities, hence it is natural that most people would be speaking Pushto. Just like if arrests are made of urban terrorists from Karachi, most would be Urdu speaking
 
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The dissection of a terrorist

PESHAWAR: Do you want to know if terrorists went to schools similar to the ones you studied at or if they studied at all? Do you ever wonder if all those held responsible for massacre and extortion are locals of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or if they are natives of another province as determined by their mother tongue? Is it correct to assume they were all trained in Afghanistan – the area we oft categorise as the mother ship of all evil and blame for cross-border infiltration?

These are the same kind of questions the police were also interested when they launched Evidence-Based Policing (EBP) in K-P. The decision was taken by IGP Nasir Khan Durrani to collate qualitative information from interrogation reports of terrorists, militants, target killers, extortionists and kidnappers arrested by the counter-terrorism department (CTD). The 480 individuals whose responses were combed through and analysed were arrested in 2014 and 2015. All 480 detainees are men.

Limitations

Evidence-Based Policing uses available proof to find trends and predict and prevent crimes. The analysis and research of this data set to help EBP was quite a challenge as when the K-P police started collating the data, it was based on information recorded in interrogation reports.

Variables which should be discreet became contiguous, such as the description of nationality. In some reports nationality would be stated as Pukhtun while in others Pathan, and at times Pukhtuns were described as Afghan – a term used for Pukhtuns for centuries. In some cases interrogators were more specific and wrote only a sub-clan in the report which was very difficult to trace to main tribe.

All this qualitative data was then run through statistical software. To improve EBP efforts, questionnaires are being developed to be used during interrogation to standardise information gathering.

Beyond the stereotypes

For many, the results were an eye-opener. For instance, it was discovered only 35 militants received formal “jihadi training”. Of these only one was trained in Afghanistan; 34 were trained inside Pakistan.


No information was gleaned about the location of the training camps or the duration of time spent there.

Of the 480 criminals and militants, 437 were locals and only 23 of them were Afghan refugees. The nationality of 20 had not been recorded by interrogators. That suggests almost all of the arrested individuals were estimated to be from Pakistan – a whopping 95%.

To the police analysts, this indicated the local element of militancy remains far greater than cross-border terrorism and crime. Those based in Afghanistan are then suspected to be mostly involved in planning.

[Only a minor portion of the terrorists were trained in Jihad-- and a VERY VERY less portion of them were trained in Afghanistan, while majority trained in Pakistan]

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Talking to The Express Tribune, CTD Director Research and Analysis Fasihuddin said EBP has been in widespread use in Europe and was considered highly effective. According to him, the K-P police had achieved another first in Pakistan by introducing something EBP.

The result of this analysis is stunning—in spite of the limitations—for example I discovered each and every terrorist is not affiliated with a seminary as we often believe,” he said. Fasihuddin is also the president of Pakistan Society of Criminology.

Then they are not being trained in Afghanistan,” he said. “A majority of them were Pashto speaking, Pakistani nationals.” Fasihuddin added this study would enable the police to introduce a realistic counter-terrorism strategy.

“We further discovered most of the arrested were Pukhtuns, a significant number from the Afridi clan [at least 43]. This was followed by Mohmand, Marwat, Banochi, Gandapur and Gujjar,” he added.

When we looked at why more Afridi tribesmen were involved in militancy than others, it was evident lack of job opportunities was a big factor,” said Fasihuddin. “IGP Nasir Durrani wrote to the government to address this root cause.” He explained this was just one example of how this would help understand militancy and its causes.

The director admitted incomplete data resulted in serious problems during analysis. “But every effort is being made to overcome these issues.” He explained interrogators were being trained and standard operating procedures were being developed.

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Tongue-tied

Most of the terrorists and criminals arrested were found to be Pashto speaking. The following data set has overlaps as some people are bilingual or trilingual.

A matter of schooling

At the time, the interrogators felt no need to explore the educational background of the suspects. This threw up more obstacles for the analysts as around 60% of those interrogated did not offer a substantial answer.

Only four of the accused had purely a religious education – nominal in scope, mostly limited to Hafiz-e-Quran or initial schooling.

Only 14 or 3% of the accused were found to have an affiliation with certain seminaries.

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Globetrotters

Often dialogue on ISIS revolves around fighters’ foreign footprints. When it comes to home-grown militancy, this is limited to time spent in Afghanistan.

The interrogation data suggest otherwise as 62 of those arrested had been to a foreign country including Saudi Arabia and even the UK. The purpose of these visits varies from jihad to employment. Most visits to Saudi Arabia were aimed at performing Hajj and Umrah. One militant made repeated trips to Afghanistan for jihad from time to time.

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Most of the criminals and terrorists were found to be married. At least 61% of all those in the study were married. The marital status of 14% could not be determined.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 1st, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1076735/evidence-based-the-dissection-of-a-terrorist/

@Syama Ayas @Joe Shearer @Levina @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @Roybot @Water Car Engineer @SarthakGanguly

@ayesha.a @Razia Sultana @MilSpec
I thought you guys might like to read this, very VERY interesting, myth busting and eye opening facts indeed. This is just of the K-P province, if they conduct a similar study in other provinces, i believe we will see such revealing facts there too.

Searched in the forum, couldn't find a similar thread--hope this is new. If you have already read this, kindly ignore.

The Mods ought to "sticky" this right away.

Great work mate. Good read.
 
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Brilliant statistics,KP police should keep on gathering new data to compensate the incomplete data in their statistics
 
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Amazing find @for truth

Had remembering reading similar piece on Kashmir militants

Thanks.

A few very interesting conclusions from this.

1. only around 12% of terrorists caught are actually trained in terror activities. And among these 12% trained, around 97% are trained in Pakistan, while the remaining (only 1 was) are trained in Afghanistan. Doesn't this actually mean that there are far more active terror sanctuaries in Pakistan than in Afghanistan? yet, we hear the same narrative "terrorists are trained in Afghanistan and are trained by RAW" from other side. From this, we can even assume as to who might have attacked Bacha khan university.

2.We also hear the narrative "Pakistani army neutralized the terrorists in hours, while the Indian army took days....".

With only around 12% of terrorists actually trained (what specific level of training?), majority of the terrorists the pakistani army is fighting in K-P are mullahs who took up AK-47's and grenades to wage jihad when they couldn't find a job or when they were radicalized over internet. @Jamwal's, once said that the Indian army knows for a fact that the terrorists it engages at borders can shoot a target from as far away as around 200 meters, while terrorists operating in Afghanistan-Pakistan region can only make the same shot only by around 50 meters away. clearly shows the level of training and sophistication of the terrorists the Indian army fights.

3. We are often told that regulating seminaries will end terror activities in Pakistan, however, the above report shows that only a minority portion of terrorists are associated with seminaries. It is clear now that source of radicalization is no longer the madrassah's, but could be internet,print and electronic media....if this is the case, then terror is far more entrenched in pakistani society than what was previously said.

But I do realize that his is only for K-P region, we need a wide based survey of all other regions to know the ground realities; but one thing is sure, just like this report, if ever conducted, all those other reports will throw up startling and eye opening facts for sure.
 
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But I do realize that his is only for K-P region, we need a wide based survey of all other regions to know the ground realities; but one thing is sure, just like this report, if ever conducted, all those other reports will throw up startling and eye opening facts for sure.

It would interesting to find similar data on Pakistani Southern Punjab and Sindh, both there regions were considered as terrorism recruitment hubs in wikileaks
 
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It would interesting to find similar data on Pakistani Southern Punjab and Sindh, both there regions were considered as terrorism recruitment hubs in wikileaks

may be this might help....

“Lashkar-e-Toiba and Pak army recruit from same pool of educated youth”: Christine Fair

You thought Pakistani support for terrorism was buoyed by that country’s poverty, with poor, unemployed youths joining terrorist groups? Wrong! Pakistan’s poor people oppose terrorism far more forcefully than the country’s growing middle class.

And you thought promoting democracy in Pakistan was the way to snuff out terrorism since terrorism is the antithesis of democracy? Wrong! When it comes to Kashmir, democrats see the insurgency as a struggle for “azadi” or freedom, warranting armed struggle, even jihad.

Were you under the impression Pakistani jihadi groups were recruiting mainly from madrassahs (religious seminaries) that churn out radicalised youth? Wrong again! Most jihadis are reasonably educated, while less than one per cent of Pakistani youth get their education exclusively from a madrassah.

These were some of the common perceptions of Pakistan that C Christine Fair, an acclaimed Pakistan expert who teaches at Georgetown University rebutted on Thursday in Delhi. Fair was speaking at a think tank, Observer Research Foundation, on: “Violence in Pakistan: who supports it? Rebutting conventional wisdom”.

Fair is the darling of Pakistan-critics worldwide, after an acclaimed book this year --- entitled “Fighting to the end: the Pakistan Army’s way of war” --- which quoted extensively from the writing of Pakistani officers to argue they placed the army’s interests far above those of Pakistan.

Deploying meticulous quantitative research to support unconventional conclusions, Fair argued that the Lashkar-e-Toiba’s (LeT’s) rank and file consists of reasonably well-educated youth, 60 per cent of whom had passed their matriculation and even intermediate examinations.

This conclusion is based on a study of 1,000 LeT fighters who were killed, mostly fighting in Kashmir. Research associates visited the homes of each of the dead jihadis to record their qualifications and motivations (see chart).

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“More than 60 per cent of them were matriculates or above, while only about 23 per cent of Pakistani, and Punjabi, males above the age of ten have similar qualifications. And just 1.13% of the Laskhar fighters were illiterate, compared to more than 30 per cent of the broader population”, said Fair.

The reason for that, she explained, is that the LeT recruits like most regular armies, turning away the uneducated and the unintelligent. “Even after they’re recruited, these Lashkar guys have to constantly prove themselves. They have to constantly lobby to be picked up for the next round of training. So Pakistan’s better lot are being killed [by Indian security forces] while fighting in Kashmir”, says Fair.

Fair says the Pakistan Army and the LeT recruit most of their fighters from the same few districts in Punjab. The army gets the pick of the youth, while the Lashkar chooses from those remaining.

She also rebutted Pakistan’s frequent complaint that supporting the US war on terror after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 had unleashed the monster of terrorism upon the country. Fair proves that terror-related violence was entrenched before 2001.

Differentiating between terror-related violence and political violence (see chart), Fair points out that terror-related incidents rose somewhat from 2,087 in the 14-year period from 1988-2001; to 3,721 in the decade between 2002-2011. In these same periods, incidents of political violence rose from 11,340 to 12,820.

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“But if you talk to Pakistanis, they would like you to believe that everything was fine before 9/11”, she says.

Her conclusions are based on a rich database on terrorist-related and political violence in Pakistan, painstakingly compiled by Fair and her associates during a 24-year period from January 1, 1988 through May 2011. These were first published online last year in a paper entitled “Measuring political violence in Pakistan: Insights from the BFSR Dataset”, co-authored by Fair.

Fair explains why Pakistan’s poor, particularly urban poor, do not support terrorism. She points out that most terrorists are from the Deobandi sect, which is responsible for practically all terror-related violence in Pakistan, including sectarian violence against Shias, Barelvis or Ahmedis, or anti-minority violence directed at Christians and Hindus.

“These target groups, and their shrines that are often hit, are located in the poorest parts of the towns and cities. These people are actually the immediate victims of terror. They are potential allies [for counter-terrorism officials]”, she says.

Fair’s extensive research on madrassahs suggests they are not the factories of jihad. What they do engender is a mind-set that supports jihad.

“Kids don’t make the decision to join a madrassah; their parents do. And parents who put their kid into a madrassah are more likely to approve of youngsters taking up jihad. While a madrassah education seldom leads to a youngster taking up jihad, there is a correlation between the two.


 
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The dissection of a terrorist

PESHAWAR: Do you want to know if terrorists went to schools similar to the ones you studied at or if they studied at all? Do you ever wonder if all those held responsible for massacre and extortion are locals of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or if they are natives of another province as determined by their mother tongue? Is it correct to assume they were all trained in Afghanistan – the area we oft categorise as the mother ship of all evil and blame for cross-border infiltration?

These are the same kind of questions the police were also interested when they launched Evidence-Based Policing (EBP) in K-P. The decision was taken by IGP Nasir Khan Durrani to collate qualitative information from interrogation reports of terrorists, militants, target killers, extortionists and kidnappers arrested by the counter-terrorism department (CTD). The 480 individuals whose responses were combed through and analysed were arrested in 2014 and 2015. All 480 detainees are men.

Limitations

Evidence-Based Policing uses available proof to find trends and predict and prevent crimes. The analysis and research of this data set to help EBP was quite a challenge as when the K-P police started collating the data, it was based on information recorded in interrogation reports.

Variables which should be discreet became contiguous, such as the description of nationality. In some reports nationality would be stated as Pukhtun while in others Pathan, and at times Pukhtuns were described as Afghan – a term used for Pukhtuns for centuries. In some cases interrogators were more specific and wrote only a sub-clan in the report which was very difficult to trace to main tribe.

All this qualitative data was then run through statistical software. To improve EBP efforts, questionnaires are being developed to be used during interrogation to standardise information gathering.

Beyond the stereotypes

For many, the results were an eye-opener. For instance, it was discovered only 35 militants received formal “jihadi training”. Of these only one was trained in Afghanistan; 34 were trained inside Pakistan.


No information was gleaned about the location of the training camps or the duration of time spent there.

Of the 480 criminals and militants, 437 were locals and only 23 of them were Afghan refugees. The nationality of 20 had not been recorded by interrogators. That suggests almost all of the arrested individuals were estimated to be from Pakistan – a whopping 95%.

To the police analysts, this indicated the local element of militancy remains far greater than cross-border terrorism and crime. Those based in Afghanistan are then suspected to be mostly involved in planning.

[Only a minor portion of the terrorists were trained in Jihad-- and a VERY VERY less portion of them were trained in Afghanistan, while majority trained in Pakistan]

View attachment 306030


Talking to The Express Tribune, CTD Director Research and Analysis Fasihuddin said EBP has been in widespread use in Europe and was considered highly effective. According to him, the K-P police had achieved another first in Pakistan by introducing something EBP.

The result of this analysis is stunning—in spite of the limitations—for example I discovered each and every terrorist is not affiliated with a seminary as we often believe,” he said. Fasihuddin is also the president of Pakistan Society of Criminology.

Then they are not being trained in Afghanistan,” he said. “A majority of them were Pashto speaking, Pakistani nationals.” Fasihuddin added this study would enable the police to introduce a realistic counter-terrorism strategy.

“We further discovered most of the arrested were Pukhtuns, a significant number from the Afridi clan [at least 43]. This was followed by Mohmand, Marwat, Banochi, Gandapur and Gujjar,” he added.

When we looked at why more Afridi tribesmen were involved in militancy than others, it was evident lack of job opportunities was a big factor,” said Fasihuddin. “IGP Nasir Durrani wrote to the government to address this root cause.” He explained this was just one example of how this would help understand militancy and its causes.

The director admitted incomplete data resulted in serious problems during analysis. “But every effort is being made to overcome these issues.” He explained interrogators were being trained and standard operating procedures were being developed.

View attachment 306031


Tongue-tied

Most of the terrorists and criminals arrested were found to be Pashto speaking. The following data set has overlaps as some people are bilingual or trilingual.

A matter of schooling

At the time, the interrogators felt no need to explore the educational background of the suspects. This threw up more obstacles for the analysts as around 60% of those interrogated did not offer a substantial answer.

Only four of the accused had purely a religious education – nominal in scope, mostly limited to Hafiz-e-Quran or initial schooling.

Only 14 or 3% of the accused were found to have an affiliation with certain seminaries.

View attachment 306032


Globetrotters

Often dialogue on ISIS revolves around fighters’ foreign footprints. When it comes to home-grown militancy, this is limited to time spent in Afghanistan.

The interrogation data suggest otherwise as 62 of those arrested had been to a foreign country including Saudi Arabia and even the UK. The purpose of these visits varies from jihad to employment. Most visits to Saudi Arabia were aimed at performing Hajj and Umrah. One militant made repeated trips to Afghanistan for jihad from time to time.

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Most of the criminals and terrorists were found to be married. At least 61% of all those in the study were married. The marital status of 14% could not be determined.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 1st, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1076735/evidence-based-the-dissection-of-a-terrorist/

@Syama Ayas @Joe Shearer @Levina @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @Roybot @Water Car Engineer @SarthakGanguly
@Capt.Popeye
@ayesha.a @Razia Sultana @MilSpec
I thought you guys might like to read this, very VERY interesting, myth busting and eye opening facts indeed. This is just of the K-P province, if they conduct a similar study in other provinces, i believe we will see such revealing facts there too.

Searched in the forum, couldn't find a similar thread--hope this is new. If you have already read this, kindly ignore.

Stunning.

Only thing similar that I can think of was a detailed study done by a couple of American researchers featuring the families of the 'shaheed' who had died in Kashmir.
 
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