Sinosphere vs EU, which is more powerful?

[beijingwalker]

The "East Asian cultural sphere" or "Sinosphere" are the countries and regions in East Asia that were historically influenced by the Chinese culture. Other names for the concept include the Sinic world, the Confucian world, the Taoist world, and the Chinese cultural sphere, though the last is also used to refer particularly to the Sinophone world: the areas which speak varieties of Chinese.

The East Asian cultural sphere shares a Confucian ethical philosophy, Buddhism, Taoism and historically a common writing system. The core regions of the East Asian cultural sphere are China (Taiwan, Hong kong) Japan, Korea,Vietnam and Singapore.

If "Sinosphere" forms a Union in the future, comparing to EU, which one will be more powerful ?

 

[Yankee-stani]

I have to be frank none will work the EU is fragmenting, the migrant crisis, Western European states feeling money is going to poorer Eastern Europe, and Eastern Europe not wanting to listen to Brussels is something will fragment or stagnate the EU heck they cant even run Bosnia properly lol

As for the Sinosphere well tbh eventhough China has the money none of its East Asian neighbors like China politically ask the Vietnamese that and others

 

[beijingwalker]

I have to be frank none will work the EU is fragmenting, the migrant crisis, Western European states feeling money is going to poorer Eastern Europe, and Eastern Europe not wanting to listen to Brussels is something will fragment or stagnate the EU heck they cant even run Bosnia properly lol

As for the Sinosphere well tbh eventhough China has the money none of its East Asian neighbors like China politically ask the Vietnamese that and others

Europeans used to be at each other's throats for hundreds of years, both world wars were started by them, but now they can still manage to form a union, anything can happen given enough time, of cause it's just a hypothesis for the sake of discussion.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Europeans used to be at each other's throats for hundreds of years, both world wars were started by them, but now they can still manage to form a union, anything can happen given enough time, of cause it's just a hypothesis for the sake of discussion.

They still are Russia-Ukraine in 2014 , Russia-Georgia in 2008 and lets not forget the break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s and 2000s plus the Serbs hating the west for letting Kosovo independent in 2008

 

[beijingwalker]

GDP (nominal)

European Union 18,750,052

China 13,407,398

Japan 4,971,929

Korea, South 1,619,424

Taiwan 589,391

Hong Kong 363,031

Singapore 361,109

Vietnam 241,272

Macau 54,545

Can't find the data for North Korea.

 

[Yankee-stani]

GDP (nominal)

European Union 18,750,052

China 13,407,398

Japan 4,971,929

Korea, South 1,619,424

Taiwan 589,391

Hong Kong 363,031

Singapore 361,109

Vietnam 241,272

Macau 54,545

Economics I understand but for China to create or recreate the Sinosphere it would require some political trust with its neighbors I mean the Vietnamese still have bad feelings towards you guys over the border wars of the late 70s and early 80s tho China has money mistrust is high and money isnt everything if lack of trust a union is bound to fail ask the Greeks how they feel about the Germans both are Europeans but Greeks feel that Germany is taken advantage of them

 

[beijingwalker]

Sinosphere countries in general enjoys a much higher growth rate than EU.

Economics I understand but for China to create or recreate the Sinosphere it would require some political trust with its neighbors I mean the Vietnamese still have bad feelings towards you guys over the border wars of the late 70s and early 80s tho China has money mistrust is high and money isnt everything if lack of trust a union is bound to fail ask the Greeks how they feel about the Germans both are Europeans but Greeks feel that Germany is taken advantage of them

Yes, for now it's not possible, US still controls Japan and Korea, a shame for east Asians.

Japan should know that their fate lies with China as it always was throughout their history and learn from South Korea to intergrate their economy with China's, that's the only way to stop Japan's economy from sliding further in the future.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Europeans used to be at each other's throats for hundreds of years, both world wars were started by them, but now they can still manage to form a union, anything can happen given enough time, of cause it's just a hypothesis for the sake of discussion.

The answer is in your question "Sino". That is China, which alone is more popoulous then all of Europe combined. And throw few more countries in your shadow the Sinosphere leaps well ahead.

I have to be frank none will work the EU is fragmenting

No, it won't. The core Franco-Germany fulcrum will remain [it was them who began the Euro project. UK was late entrant] and others will remain aggregated because of German economic pull

but Greeks feel that Germany is taken advantage of them

Greeks are similiar to Pakistan's and think the world owes them a free lunch. When their dole is reduced or when they have their regular economic busts much like Pakistan [only we borrow from IMF] the Greeks expect Germans to bail them out sans any conditions.

When conditions are imposed [like IMF] the Greeks throw temper tantrums. Without EU most of Eastern Europe would see millions of guys head to Indua to pull rickshaws and their women to Dubail to whore some money.

 

[Yankee-stani]

The answer is in your question "Sino". That is China, which alone is more popoulous then all of Europe combined. And throw few more countries in your shadow the Sinosphere leaps well ahead.

No, it won't. The core Franco-Germany fulcrum will remain [it was them who began the Euro project. UK was late entrant] and others will remain aggregated because of German economic pull

Greeks are similiar to Pakistan's and think the world owes them a free lunch. When their dole is reduced or when they have their regular economic busts much like Pakistan [only we borrow from IMF] the Greeks expect Germans to bail them out sans any conditions.

When conditions are imposed [like IMF] the Greeks throw temper tantrums. Without EU most of Eastern Europe would see millions of guys head to Indua to pull rickshaws and their women to Dubail to whore some money.

I am not denying that Franco-German fulcrum is holding the EU together but I am saying if you asked me if the EU was gonna split or fragment a decade ago I would laugh you now I see it as a slight possibilty the UK joined in late heck they voted to join in 1975, so I view Brexit as a different matter but you are right Greeks do b..tch and moan to much about Turks,Germans, and freaking Macedonians over names

The EU needs to reform in order to stay

When conditions are imposed [like IMF] the Greeks throw temper tantrums. Without EU most of Eastern Europe would see millions of guys head to Indua to pull rickshaws and their women to Dubail to whore some money.[/QUOTE]

regardless of EU or no EU Eastern Euro women will still whore out lol

 

[nahtanbob]

GDP (nominal)

European Union 18,750,052

China 13,407,398

Japan 4,971,929

Korea, South 1,619,424

Taiwan 589,391

Hong Kong 363,031

Singapore 361,109

Vietnam 241,272

Macau 54,545

Can't find the data for North Korea.

Sinosphere does not exist. China has to be open, fair and transparent in its political/economic/legal system for Sinosphere to happen.

 

[beijingwalker]

Sinosphere does not exist. China has to be open, fair and transparent in its political/economic/legal system for Sinosphere to happen.

Ask east Asians to see if it exists, are you an east Asian? It's based on history and culture,not politics.

 

[OIO]

If "Sinosphere" forms a Union in the future, comparing to EU, which one will be more powerful ?

no, China is big enough!

 

[AViet]

I have to be frank none will work the EU is fragmenting, the migrant crisis, Western European states feeling money is going to poorer Eastern Europe, and Eastern Europe not wanting to listen to Brussels is something will fragment or stagnate the EU heck they cant even run Bosnia properly lol

As for the Sinosphere well tbh eventhough China has the money none of its East Asian neighbors like China politically ask the Vietnamese that and others

From where do you know that? Western propaganda?

Anyone like EU government? Just ask people from Poland, Italy, Germany, France, Britain, etc. basically all EU.

 

[nahtanbob]

Ask east Asians to see if it exists, are you an east Asian? It's based on history and culture,not politics.

Japan and South Korea do not trust China as a country and Chinese as a people. Ditto with Vietnamese.
out of necessity they will do business with China

 

[Yankee-stani]

From where do you know that? Western propaganda?

Anyone like EU government? Just ask people from Poland, Italy, Germany, France, Britain, etc. basically all EU.

That's what I said Brussels need reforms or it will fragment