Should China allow immigrants from South East Asia?

[Bussard Ramjet]

I would like you to vote.

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[Jacob Martin]

Actually the issue will have some significance at a later point in time. 10-15 years down the line, China will be a richer, but demographically older nation. It will need all the workforce it can bring in. Today that scenario may look distant but it is inevitable. So the sooner they start allowing a "controlled" immigration policy, the better. And they have the advantage that if they start early, they can see how it works and re-calibrate accordingly. Merkel's failed experiment in Germany is a warning against uncontrolled immigration decided overnight.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Actually the issue will have some significance at a later point in time. 10-15 years down the line, China will be a richer, but demographically older nation. It will need all the workforce it can bring in. Today that scenario may look distant but it is inevitable. So the sooner they start allowing a "controlled" immigration policy, the better. And they have the advantage that if they start early, they can see how it works and re-calibrate accordingly. Merkel's failed experiment in Germany is a warning against uncontrolled immigration decided overnight.

The US model is the best. They have had a pretty consistent population growth rate for years now!

Once upon a time US had a population smaller than even England, or Japan, but they kept growing their population.

US as a superpower is really the combination of 3 things:

1. Rapid Expansionism, taking more arable land and resources
2. Having a culture that allows easy assimilation. Bringing in more immigrants, and more people into unpopulated areas and permanently conquering it.
3. Backdrop of the best of Europe's civilization and intellectual brainpower.

 

[Jacob Martin]

The US model is the best. They have had a pretty consistent population growth rate for years now!

Once upon a time US had a population smaller than even England, or Japan, but they kept growing their population.

US as a superpower is really the combination of 3 things:

1. Rapid Expansionism, taking more arable land and resources
2. Having a culture that allows easy assimilation. Bringing in more immigrants, and more people into unpopulated areas and permanently conquering it.
3. Backdrop of the best of Europe's civilization and intellectual brainpower.

Yes, much of the population growth in the US is of skilled workers who go there in the prime of life to contribute economically. That is why demographics was never really an issue for them. They are the first country which could understand what it means and needs to be done to get maximum advantage out of immigration.

 

[applesauce]

chinese citizenship is notoriously difficult to get, this has nothing to do with where people are form, be it southeast asia or africa or antarctica, china dont need more people via mass immigration, it of course accepts highly skilledworks or scientists.

 

[Sanchez]

No. They could emmigrate to India. We don't need less educated nor low IQ immigrants...

 

[dy1022]

depending on what can you do for China?

 

[alaungphaya]

Yes. Let their diaspora go back to whence they came.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

chinese citizenship is notoriously difficult to get, this has nothing to do with where people are form, be it southeast asia or africa or antarctica, china dont need more people via mass immigration, it of course accepts highly skilledworks or scientists.

Right now, China essentially just loses people to emigration. It has no policy for immigration, and is notoriously tough to get citizenship.

No. They could emmigrate to India. We don't need less educated nor low IQ immigrants...

So choose only educated ones, who can meet some basic criteria.

Also, what else are you planning to do for your coming population problems?

Labor force will continue to decline, and ageing population will continue to rise. Eventually the population will also start shrinking.

 

[dy1022]

highly skilledworks , scientists, (5 millions -10 millions $) investers ONLY

 

[Zsari]

The US model is the best. They have had a pretty consistent population growth rate for years now!

Once upon a time US had a population smaller than even England, or Japan, but they kept growing their population.

US as a superpower is really the combination of 3 things:

1. Rapid Expansionism, taking more arable land and resources
2. Having a culture that allows easy assimilation. Bringing in more immigrants, and more people into unpopulated areas and permanently conquering it.
3. Backdrop of the best of Europe's civilization and intellectual brainpower.

Once upon a time US was vastly under-populated. China is not the US, it is not an immigrant nation, and it is still heavily overpopulated even with demographic change. At most China could run a worker visa program similar to those that existed in HK and Taiwan which allows the import of labor for short stays. Moreover, there is a huge pool of oversea Chinese that Beijing could tap into before resorting to foreign immigration.

 

[cnleio]

99.9% r Chinese from South East Asia ... Chinese nationality is harder to get than U.S visa

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Once upon a time US was vastly under-populated. China is not the US, it is not an immigrant nation, and it is still heavily overpopulated even with demographic change. At most China could run a worker visa program similar to those that existed in HK and Taiwan which allows the import of labor for short stays. Moreover, there is a huge pool of oversea Chinese that Beijing could tap into before resorting to foreign immigration.

The sense of being populated is the function of available technology and infrastructure.

200 years back, today's world population would have been unimaginable, and overly high.

What I'm saying, rather reiterating is that ultimately economy depends on people in labor force. US will continue to rise, and will by 2050 reach a population of 450 million, while China will continue to fall.

The other thing you have to take in mind is that China shouldn't just look to compete with the US. It has to compete with the west, because the west is inexorably tied together in strings of culture, ideology, politics, and familial ties.

Once upon a time US was vastly under-populated. China is not the US, it is not an immigrant nation, and it is still heavily overpopulated even with demographic change. At most China could run a worker visa program similar to those that existed in HK and Taiwan which allows the import of labor for short stays. Moreover, there is a huge pool of oversea Chinese that Beijing could tap into before resorting to foreign immigration.

Also, it is untrue, that China was not an immigrant nation. Even the Tiananmen was built by a Vietnamese, who was at that time an immigrant to other parts of China, united by culture.

 

[Zsari]

The sense of being populated is the function of available technology and infrastructure.

The limiting factor throughout history has been the production of food, but today with unprecedented growth in population, we are pushing the boundary of earth's limited resource. Water for one will be in short supply. The wishful thinking that the technology will be there for unlimited growth is quick way to disaster.

What I'm saying, rather reiterating is that ultimately economy depends on people in labor force. US will continue to rise, and will by 2050 reach a population of 450 million, while China will continue to fall.

There is such a thing called unemployment, where in many developed economies it is a far more costly than an aging population. Labor force is never a restricting factor in an economy, and where the demand for labor force is greater than supply, illegal immigrants will make their way in to fill the gap. Just as in the case of the US, it has millions of illegal immigrants that expands and contracts according to the economic condition in helping to buffer its unemployment number. The continue population growth in the US will only lead to the lowering of overall living standard, until an equilibrium point is reached where its standard of living is no different than that of its neighbor, then immigrants will stop coming.

Also, it is untrue, that China was not an immigrant nation. Even the Tiananmen was built by a Vietnamese, who was at that time an immigrant to other parts of China, united by culture.

Who was the designer of Tiananmen, Gate of Heavenly Peace, Beijing history, Beijing the capital

 

[Jacob Martin]

and it is still heavily overpopulated even with demographic change.

Population density in China

The vast interior of China is more sparsely populated than the US. And except for Tibet, the rest of it could sustain a much larger population. The Chinese are good at creating economic opportunities - they should extend it to migrants as well.

The sense of being populated is the function of available technology and infrastructure.

200 years back, today's world population would have been unimaginable, and overly high.

Excellent point.