Senior al Qaeda leader killed on Pak-Afghan border

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Senior al Qaeda leader killed on Pak-Afghan border: Foreign media​

Updated at: 1835 PST, Tuesday, August 12, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Senior al Qaeda commander Abu Saeed al-Masri has been killed in recent clashes with Pakistani forces in a Pakistani region near the Afghan border, a security official said on Tuesday.

"He was believed to be among the top leadership of al Qaeda," the senior security official said on condition of anonymity.

Al-Masri, which means Egyptian, was the most senior al Qaeda operative to have been killed in Pakistan's tribal belt since the death of his compatriot, Abu Khabab al-Masri, an Qaeda chemical and biological weapons expert, last month.

Senior al Qaeda leader killed on Pak-Afghan border: Foreign media

Yeah, die you fkg Bastards.

Hope this ends up being verified.

 

[IceCold]

Good. Finally the US would have something to keep its big mouth shut along with its dog in Afghanistan who is constantly barking at Pakistan. I just wish and pray that Mehsud is taken out as soon as possible.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We seem to be getting a little closer to the senior TTP leadership:

There were also reports that four senior al-Qaeda operatives, including Abu Yazeed al-Misri, also died in Damadola shelling. When reached by telephone, a senior Army official close to the ongoing military operation in Bajaur, said: “Yes, I also heard reports but there is no solid evidence so far.”

He said they had learnt from militants’ intercepts that four Arab nationals had been killed in the bombing on their hideouts in Damadola. “I don’t know whether it were two names of one person or two different persons, but I heard two names - Abu Yazeed al-Misri or Abu Saeed al-Misri and Abu Suleman — suspected to be killed in the air attack,” said the military officer while requesting anonymity.

The officer said senior militant commanders, including Maulana Faqir Mohammad, TTP spokesman Maulvi Omar and several others, narrowly escaped an air attack on their hideout in Mamond where they were holding a meeting.

“They had just left the Madrassa at Dabara village in Mamond when it was attacked,” said the military officer. On the other hand, the residents of Bajaur continued fleeing their houses on Monday while the region has been under curfew for the past four days.

10 civilians among 30 killed in Bajaur bombings

 

[Contrarian]

What is TTP mate?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What is TTP mate?

Tehrik -e Taliban organization - led by Baitullah Mehsud. Faqir Muhammed is a Deputy leader.

 

[Contrarian]

And they are...? Pakistani's or Afghans? What to they want to do? Sorry to ask such questions but im clueless!

 

[Energon]

And they are...? Pakistani's or Afghans? What to they want to do? Sorry to ask such questions but im clueless!

I see this question being posed quite a bit, and followed up with the colorful exchanges of course. Personally I'm not really sure ideology based organizations have their members segregated by nationality. It seems to me that ethnic grouping is the main deciding factor with nationality tagging along as part of a default package. From what I understand most of the clans and tribes in these regions don't really give a hoot about nationality anyways, nor does the arbitrary border mean much to them. Subsequently I don't really see the practicality behind associating them with nationalities.

This is not to say that there are nationality based terrorist groups and radical organizations; its just that these just don't seem to fit the bill.

 

[Munir]

It is better for Pakistan to eradicarte people that disgrace Pakistan and islam. I think it is better to push them into Afghanistan where they can fight and die as they want to...

 

[JK!]

This poem from 3 Para sums up my take on it.

Message for
Terry Taliban

Watch out Terry,
we're hunting you down,

There's nowhere to hide
in Sangin town,

You s*** yourself when
the .50s are fired,

No point in running, you'll
only die tired,

Got A-10s on call for
brassing you up,

No food or water, we
don't give a f***,

So do one Terry, you've
plenty to fear,

We run this town now, the
Paras are here.

Airborne Forever

 

[Spring Onion]

Good. Finally the US would have something to keep its big mouth shut along with its dog in Afghanistan who is constantly barking at Pakistan. I just wish and pray that Mehsud is taken out as soon as possible.

Their mouth has been shut with shock beacuse one of their Agents Abu Saeed has been killed in the operation and it is the level of CIA/US and their backed terrorists that PAF personel were martyerd in Peshawar as a revenge.

 

[IceCold]

Their mouth has been shut with shock beacuse one of their Agents Abu Saeed has been killed in the operation and it is the level of CIA/US and their backed terrorists that PAF personel were martyerd in Peshawar as a revenge.

Who is to be blamed for it, obviously us as we allowed the CIA and others to use our territory for their gains which for obvious reasons conflicted with our own. The previous government of Musharraf allowed it to happen right under his watch and the present regime well i am off no opinion about them as we all know how capable they are

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And they are...? Pakistani's or Afghans? What to they want to do? Sorry to ask such questions but im clueless!

Energon is correct in that nationality matters little for the people of the Tribal areas in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but the strong Tribal structure and Tribal loyalties also make it possible to delineate these groups on the basis of Tribe, sub-Tribe and nationality.

Look at the Pakistani Taliban organizations for example - the leadership is for the most part localized and fragmented. Baitullah Mehsud leads one faction of Taliban in Waziristan - those that hail from his particular sub-tribe of the Mehsud. The other main Taliban organization in South Waziristan is that of Mullah Nazir (pro government for now), and he hails from the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe. Similarly Faqir Muhammed is the leader of the Bajaur Taliban.

While ethnic loyalty does act as an overall motivation for fighting NATO for some of these groups, they are also splintered along those Tribal lines. The TTP was an attempt by some of the Pakistani Taliban to present a united front by coming together under a central leadership. But despite that, the decision to commit fighters in a particular conflict will not be taken by B Mehsud (who leads the TTP currently) - it will eventually come down to the local Taliban leader commanding the militants hailing from his particular tribe, because of those inter-Tribal conflicts and loyalty to Tribe.

The Tribal structures and dynamics ensure that the various Taliban groups are primarily composed of men from the respective Tribes, and not many outsiders. Therefore the TTP is primarily composed of Pakistanis, since its members are all leaders of groups controlling militants from their respective tribes in Pakistan and no members from Afghanistan.
However, the TTP's nexus with Al Qaeda and Tahir Yuldashev (Uzbek extremists) has resulted in a many non-Pashtun joining them as well.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

 

[Contrarian]

But what is their objective? What do they want to achieve? Goal...?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

But what is their objective? What do they want to achieve? Goal...?

Well the suspicion amongst Pakistanis, bolstered by the recent 'leaked' accusations against the US defense establishment by 'anonymous official Pakistani sources' (ala NY Times) is that the TTP is just an anti-state group that has achieved the power it has through an extremely large infusion of funds and resources from external sources.

The organization has never really done much in the way of fighting in Afghanistan, and its main activities in Pakistan, starting from its previous leader, Abdullah Mehsud who was killed in a siege, have been to attack Pakistani interests while letting its militants run around unfettered imposing 'Shairah' quite randomly. There is no concrete list of demands - just a 'let us do our activities'. I do not know if you remember that A Mehsud was responsible for abducting Chinese engineers after being released from Gitmo, what that had to do with Shariah I have no clue.