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Self-inflicted wound: Trump would severely damage the US if he carries out his China threat
Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
September 8, 2020 — 11.56am


Donald Trump is hardening his threat to "decouple" the US economy from China’s. The prospect that, if he were to win re-election in November, he might actually follow through with that threat ought to send shivers through corporate America and their western peers.

Trump and the hawks in his administration have been muttering about decoupling from China for weeks but, trailing in the polls against Joe Biden, Trump significantly ratcheted up the rhetoric on Monday (US time).


"We lose billions of dollars and if we didn’t do business with China we wouldn’t lose billions of dollars," he said."

"It’s called decoupling. So you’ll start thinking about it. You’ll start thinking they take our money and they spend it on building aeroplanes and building ships and building rockets and missiles."

Having described decoupling as "an interesting word" he went on to threaten to impose taxes and "tariffs" on US companies that "desert America to create jobs in China and other countries" and bar companies doing business in China from being awarded federal government contracts. He also referred to tax breaks for companies than onshore their activity.


"Whether its decoupling or putting massive tariffs on China which I’ve been doing already we’re going to end our reliance on China because we can’t rely on China and I don’t want them building a military like they’re building right now and they’re using our money to build it."

The language is typically clumsy, almost incoherent, and the understanding of trade as flawed as usual but the threat of an attempt to completely sever the economic relationships with China is, given the administration’s history, real.
The administration is already a long way down that path.

Last year’s trade war and the imposition of tariffs on most of China’s exports to the US and, more recently, the assault on China’s tech companies and financial sanctions on Chinese individuals and institutions have seen a continuing escalation of the US aggression towards China.

The notion of a complete severing of economic ties is a step well beyond what has occurred to date, along in keeping with Trump’s protectionist and isolationist tendencies and the Sino-phobia of some of his advisers.
If the strategic rivalry overwhelms the economic rationale for the relationship the damage to some of America’s largest companies will be severe.
He is making China a key plank in his re-election platform, trying to convince US voters that Biden and the Democrats would be soft on China – "if Biden wins China wins, because China will own this country" – even though Biden and the Democrats are also hawkish on China, albeit wary of inciting a new Cold War.
It doesn’t appear to have sunk in with Trump or his trade advisors that the efforts so far to punish China, reduce its trade surplus with the US and repatriate jobs to the US haven’t been particularly successful.

While the trade war has hurt China, and the tightening ban on Chinese tech companies and on technology transfers to China will damage its economy even more, it has also resulted in self-inflicted wounds.


The tariffs have been paid for by US companies and consumers and the trade surplus that provoked the conflict has been widening. China’s exports to the US have fallen but its imports from the US have fallen more.

Trump said on Monday that US farmers were "very happy’ with him citing the near-$US30 billion ($41.2 billion) of assistance provided to farmers to offset the impact on China’s retaliatory tariffs. US farm bankruptcies have risen to their highest levels in nearly a decade despite that US taxpayer-funded assistance.

Whether or not Trump is re-elected and implements his decoupling the economic relationship with China has already changed. A significant amount of manufacturing of products for export to the US has been shifted out of China and into third countries, either in Asia or, most particularly, Mexico.

That doesn’t help America’s overall trade balance but it highlights what might happen if Trump, or Biden for that matter, followed through with a decoupling agenda.


More activity would shift out of China to other low-cost manufacturing jurisdictions. If a combination of taxes, tariffs and incentives did result in re-shoring of activity by US companies and made (as Trump asserted it would) America the "manufacturing superpower of the world" American consumers would pay for it in the form of higher prices and US companies would lose competitiveness.

The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency. It doesn’t appear to have dawned on the administration that supplying the rest of the world with dollars (and obtaining what are effectively interest-free loans and a subsidised standard of living from the rest of the world in the process) implies running large current account deficits.

The dollar’s status is the source of most of America’s non-military global clout – the financial sanctions the administration has been using as its latest option of first resort rely on that status for their effectiveness – but isolationism and protectionism would inevitably undermine it and America’s global hegemony.

There is an interesting question as to whether the combination of carrots and sticks Trump described could completely unwind more than four decades of increasing integration of the US and Chinese economies.


US multinationals plugged into the world’s biggest and fastest-growing consumer market are caught in the middle of what appears an inevitable diminution, if not a complete decoupling, of the economic relationships as strategic rivalry overwhelms the business logic of the relationship.

US companies generate about five per cent of their global revenues and hundreds of billions of dollars of profits a year from a market that is, for some of America’s biggest companies, fast becoming, if it isn’t already, a bigger market than their domestic market.

If the strategic rivalry overwhelms the economic rationale for the relationship the damage to some of America’s largest companies will be severe.

While the impact on China’s economy might be somewhat greater (although blunted by China’s focus on domestic consumption and growth) both economies would suffer from decoupling and, unless the US could convince the rest of the western economies to join it, there’d be mutual pain for little economic gain.


While there does appear to be a loose consensus in the West that China’s increasing assertiveness necessitates a response, to be effective it needs to co-ordinated and considered.

In the fevered atmosphere of a US election, with the incumbent president struggling and desperate to demonstrate he is more hostile to China than his opponent, it is improbable that any rhetoric, or indeed actions, will be either co-ordinated or considered.

 
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I am so confused about this trade war. How is it exactly supposed to be fought?

US-China bilateral trade has been over half a trillion dollars since 2012. It jumped to over $600 billion in 2017 and over $600 billion in 2018 while It was almost $600 in 2019.

The China-US bilateral trade has increased under Trump than what it was under Obama.


It's even increasing during this pandemic year.

How is this supposed to be stopping or crippling Chinese rise?

I'm baffled.
 
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I am so confused about this trade war. How is it exactly supposed to be fought?

US-China bilateral trade has been over half a trillion dollars since 2012. It jumped to over $600 billion in 2017 and over $600 billion in 2018 while It was almost $600 in 2019.

The China-US bilateral trade has increased under Trump than what it was under Obama.


It's even increasing during this pandemic year.

How is this supposed to be stopping or crippling Chinese rise?

I'm baffled.

Well I know it can be confusing for you so let me explain it in simplistic terms.

Pakistan exports to China $2Bilion worth of goods but imports $10Billion.
That means $8Billion that could have improved the lives of Pakistani's went to China instead. You have a very high 5 to 1 ratio (10 vs 2) of imports to exports. The US has a lower ratio of less than 4 to 1 but the numbers are much larger.

Trump is trying to narrow that gap.
 
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Well I know it can be confusing for you so let me explain it in simplistic terms.

Pakistan exports to China $2Bilion worth of goods but imports $10Billion.
That means $8Billion that could have improved the lives of Pakistani's went to China instead.

Trump is trying to narrow that gap.

very true .
 
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Well I know it can be confusing for you so let me explain it in simplistic terms.

Pakistan exports to China $2Bilion worth of goods but imports $10Billion.
That means $8Billion that could have improved the lives of Pakistani's went to China instead.

Trump is trying to narrow that gap.

How? By increasing US imports from China?
 
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Self-inflicted wound: Trump would severely damage the US if he carries out his China threat
Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
September 8, 2020 — 11.56am


Donald Trump is hardening his threat to "decouple" the US economy from China’s. The prospect that, if he were to win re-election in November, he might actually follow through with that threat ought to send shivers through corporate America and their western peers.

Trump and the hawks in his administration have been muttering about decoupling from China for weeks but, trailing in the polls against Joe Biden, Trump significantly ratcheted up the rhetoric on Monday (US time).


"We lose billions of dollars and if we didn’t do business with China we wouldn’t lose billions of dollars," he said."

"It’s called decoupling. So you’ll start thinking about it. You’ll start thinking they take our money and they spend it on building aeroplanes and building ships and building rockets and missiles."

Having described decoupling as "an interesting word" he went on to threaten to impose taxes and "tariffs" on US companies that "desert America to create jobs in China and other countries" and bar companies doing business in China from being awarded federal government contracts. He also referred to tax breaks for companies than onshore their activity.


"Whether its decoupling or putting massive tariffs on China which I’ve been doing already we’re going to end our reliance on China because we can’t rely on China and I don’t want them building a military like they’re building right now and they’re using our money to build it."

The language is typically clumsy, almost incoherent, and the understanding of trade as flawed as usual but the threat of an attempt to completely sever the economic relationships with China is, given the administration’s history, real.
The administration is already a long way down that path.

Last year’s trade war and the imposition of tariffs on most of China’s exports to the US and, more recently, the assault on China’s tech companies and financial sanctions on Chinese individuals and institutions have seen a continuing escalation of the US aggression towards China.

The notion of a complete severing of economic ties is a step well beyond what has occurred to date, along in keeping with Trump’s protectionist and isolationist tendencies and the Sino-phobia of some of his advisers.

He is making China a key plank in his re-election platform, trying to convince US voters that Biden and the Democrats would be soft on China – "if Biden wins China wins, because China will own this country" – even though Biden and the Democrats are also hawkish on China, albeit wary of inciting a new Cold War.
It doesn’t appear to have sunk in with Trump or his trade advisors that the efforts so far to punish China, reduce its trade surplus with the US and repatriate jobs to the US haven’t been particularly successful.

While the trade war has hurt China, and the tightening ban on Chinese tech companies and on technology transfers to China will damage its economy even more, it has also resulted in self-inflicted wounds.


The tariffs have been paid for by US companies and consumers and the trade surplus that provoked the conflict has been widening. China’s exports to the US have fallen but its imports from the US have fallen more.

Trump said on Monday that US farmers were "very happy’ with him citing the near-$US30 billion ($41.2 billion) of assistance provided to farmers to offset the impact on China’s retaliatory tariffs. US farm bankruptcies have risen to their highest levels in nearly a decade despite that US taxpayer-funded assistance.

Whether or not Trump is re-elected and implements his decoupling the economic relationship with China has already changed. A significant amount of manufacturing of products for export to the US has been shifted out of China and into third countries, either in Asia or, most particularly, Mexico.

That doesn’t help America’s overall trade balance but it highlights what might happen if Trump, or Biden for that matter, followed through with a decoupling agenda.


More activity would shift out of China to other low-cost manufacturing jurisdictions. If a combination of taxes, tariffs and incentives did result in re-shoring of activity by US companies and made (as Trump asserted it would) America the "manufacturing superpower of the world" American consumers would pay for it in the form of higher prices and US companies would lose competitiveness.

The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency. It doesn’t appear to have dawned on the administration that supplying the rest of the world with dollars (and obtaining what are effectively interest-free loans and a subsidised standard of living from the rest of the world in the process) implies running large current account deficits.

The dollar’s status is the source of most of America’s non-military global clout – the financial sanctions the administration has been using as its latest option of first resort rely on that status for their effectiveness – but isolationism and protectionism would inevitably undermine it and America’s global hegemony.

There is an interesting question as to whether the combination of carrots and sticks Trump described could completely unwind more than four decades of increasing integration of the US and Chinese economies.


US multinationals plugged into the world’s biggest and fastest-growing consumer market are caught in the middle of what appears an inevitable diminution, if not a complete decoupling, of the economic relationships as strategic rivalry overwhelms the business logic of the relationship.

US companies generate about five per cent of their global revenues and hundreds of billions of dollars of profits a year from a market that is, for some of America’s biggest companies, fast becoming, if it isn’t already, a bigger market than their domestic market.

If the strategic rivalry overwhelms the economic rationale for the relationship the damage to some of America’s largest companies will be severe.

While the impact on China’s economy might be somewhat greater (although blunted by China’s focus on domestic consumption and growth) both economies would suffer from decoupling and, unless the US could convince the rest of the western economies to join it, there’d be mutual pain for little economic gain.


While there does appear to be a loose consensus in the West that China’s increasing assertiveness necessitates a response, to be effective it needs to co-ordinated and considered.

In the fevered atmosphere of a US election, with the incumbent president struggling and desperate to demonstrate he is more hostile to China than his opponent, it is improbable that any rhetoric, or indeed actions, will be either co-ordinated or considered.


trump will set the chinese right .
 
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How? By increasing US imports from China?

What??????
How do you always manage to get things backwards all the time?????
Imports from China are DOWN.

Can you just spend a few seconds researching things before making a quick comment. It will make you look more intelligent to the people here on PDF:

Trade in Goods with China
2020 US imports from China
MonthImports
January 2020
33,280.6​
February 2020
22,813.1​
March 2020
19,805.4​
April 2020
31,070.8​
May 2020
36,598.2​
June 2020
37,639.5​
July 2020
40,657.3​


2019 US imports from China
MonthImports
January 2019
41,514.4​
February 2019
33,154.9​
March 2019
31,175.6​
April 2019
34,682.7​
May 2019
39,173.4​
June 2019
38,967.6​
July 2019
41,449.2​
 
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What??????
How do you always manage to get things backwards all the time?????
Imports from China are DOWN.

Can you just spend a few seconds researching things before making a quick comment. It will make you look more intelligent to the people here on PDF:

Trade in Goods with China
2020 US imports from China
MonthImports
January 2020
33,280.6​
February 2020
22,813.1​
March 2020
19,805.4​
April 2020
31,070.8​
May 2020
36,598.2​
June 2020
37,639.5​
July 2020
40,657.3​


2019 US imports from China
MonthImports
January 2019
41,514.4​
February 2019
33,154.9​
March 2019
31,175.6​
April 2019
34,682.7​
May 2019
39,173.4​
June 2019
38,967.6​
July 2019
41,449.2​

I stand corrected my friend. I had quick glance at the overall trade.

But still the improvement is marginal considering US launched a trade war with China.
 
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Well I know it can be confusing for you so let me explain it in simplistic terms.

Pakistan exports to China $2Bilion worth of goods but imports $10Billion.
That means $8Billion that could have improved the lives of Pakistani's went to China instead. You have a very high 5 to 1 ratio (10 vs 2) of imports to exports. The US has a lower ratio of less than 4 to 1 but the numbers are much larger.

Trump is trying to narrow that gap.
That is fkn stupid,the trade imbalance thing is made up as an issue by Trump. 10-2=8?The economy doesn't work that way.
 
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How? By increasing US imports from China?
Pretty much nobody in America even knows how this trade stuff even works in the most remote sense and they are spoonfed a false and dumbed down narrative what the "problems" are supposed to be and how they are "winning". Nonsensical stuff like "trade deficit = bad" regardless how it comes to be. Coupled with a culture not to question anything their "superior" and "free" state propaganda mouthpiece spoonfeed them with, unless told so by itself, the American media trade war campaign and the actual trade war between China which is primarily a tech war (not as appealing as the cheap labour stealing your jobs narrative) are two completely different issues with little touchpoints

The trade war started in 2018 and we are just past a economic crisis. U.S. imports from China panning out at 40-41 Billion in July over the last 4 years is what you would call pleasantly normal and unaffected considering the prior 4 years period panned out at 39-40 Billion, not "down", but in America they will tell you China is absolutely bleeding and if they feel like you are the type to check facts unlike the typical American audience, struggle to fool you by comparing it to exports peaks in favour of China that the same dispshits dismissed as "abnormal frontloading" over the past 2 years when it completely contradicted their victory tales before,.

The fact is the bulk of Americans dont even know about that. They are fed with vague ever shifting subjective and hyperbolic phrases and headlines like "Chinese exports bleeding" and "China struggling" and "Chinas depends on US trade" and "the trade war was never about defecit but IP and jobs". Admitting the existence of their trade deficit only serves to spurr on thie trade war narrative. They reject plain facts and contradicting or confusing hard numbers when confronted with them, because they are indoctrinated to believe they nead to win and already won and inclined to believe they won never mind question they idea of what it means to "win". And thats because they U.S. regimes priority isnt actually winning some trade war on this front. Making their inept population believe and emotionally invest into this fake deficit trade war narrative with China, already deals with their biggest immediate problems. Distracting and even shifting blame for domestic struggles like unemployment, relative and actual sinking life quality, sinking quality of education and exploding debt and income inequality on a foreign factor rather than internal corruption, rott and flaws in governance.
 
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