Saab To Exhibit Mobile Short-Range Air Defence At DSEI Exhibition

[Zarvan]

RBS 70 NG Remote Weapon Station
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Saab will present the vehicle-based MSHORAD (Mobile Short-Range Air Defence) solution that comprises the Giraffe 1X radar, Command and Control (C2) and RBS 70 NG Remote Weapon Station (RWS) at an Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) exhibtion.

The 3D short range Giraffe 1X provides 360º surveillance coverage at a range of 75 km, generating data to a C2 communication system for swift analysis and action coordination.

With an effective intercept range of 9 km, the high precision RBS 70 NG RWS, with its multiple missile launcher, ensures coverage from ground level up to an altitude of 5 km, launching unjammable, laser-guided missiles with a high hit probability.

Together as MSHORAD, the solution gives forces the ability to see and counter multiple threats while defending nearby joint forces.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20...e_Air_Defence_At_DSEI_Exhibition#.WbLOMsgjFPY

 

[Zarvan]

Saab to unveil MSHORAD system at DSEI

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Defence and security company Saab will present for the first time ever at an exhibtion, the vehicle-based MSHORAD (Mobile Short Range Air Defence) solution – comprising the Giraffe 1X radar, Command and Control (C2) and RBS 70 NG Remote Weapon Station (RWS). The system will be on display at Saab’s stand, N2-230, at DSEI, London, England.

Where the market demands on-the-move air defence protection against agile and hard to detect targets, Saab has responded with the MSHORAD system, which combines world-class surveillance capabilities with the rapid ability to counter those threats.

The 3D short range Giraffe 1X provides 360º surveillance coverage at a range of 75 km, generating data to a C2 communication system for swift analysis and action coordination. With an effective intercept range of 9 km, the high precision RBS 70 NG RWS, with its multiple missile launcher, ensures coverage from ground level up to an altitude of 5 km, launching unjammable, laser-guided missiles with a high hit probability. Together as MSHORAD, the solution gives forces the ability to see and counter multiple threats while defending nearby joint forces.

“With most modern battlefields seeing an increasing variety of airborne threats, MSHORAD provides the coverage needed in complex and challenging settings. We offer an in-house solution from a company that really understands ground based air defence, customer needs and excels at system integration”, says Anders Linder, head of business unit Surface Radar Solutions within Saab’s business area Surveillance.

“Mobile air defence brings major advantages when armed forces are on the move. As a true mobile system, MSHORAD gives customers’ maximum operational flexibility and provides outstanding situational awareness and defensive cover on the move”, says Stefan Öberg, head of business unit Missile Systems within Saab’s business area Dynamics.

Visit Saab at DSEI stand N2-230 to find out more about the MSHORAD solution where the system will be mounted on an IVECO vehicle.

http://defence-blog.com/army/saab-to-unveil-mshorad-system-at-dsei.html

 

[Penguin]

I wonder if a VL version of RBS-70 bolide could be a possibility.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I wonder if a VL version of RBS-70 bolide could be a possibility.

Seems to be the RBS-70 NG mounted to a remote-weapon station.

SAAB’S MOBILE SHORAD ROLLS INTO DSEI FOR THE FIRST TIME
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Defence and security company Saab will present for the first time ever at an exhibtion, the vehicle-based MSHORAD (Mobile Short Range Air Defence) solution – comprising the Giraffe 1X radar, Command and Control (C2) and RBS 70 NG Remote Weapon Station (RWS). The system will be on display at Saab’s stand, N2-230, at DSEI, London, England.

Where the market demands on-the-move air defence protection against agile and hard to detect targets, Saab has responded with the MSHORAD system, which combines world-class surveillance capabilities with the rapid ability to counter those threats.

The 3D short range Giraffe 1X provides 360º surveillance coverage at a range of 75 km, generating data to a C2 communication system for swift analysis and action coordination. With an effective intercept range of 9 km, the high precision RBS 70 NG RWS, with its multiple missile launcher, ensures coverage from ground level up to an altitude of 5 km, launching unjammable, laser-guided missiles with a high hit probability. Together as MSHORAD, the solution gives forces the ability to see and counter multiple threats while defending nearby joint forces.

“With most modern battlefields seeing an increasing variety of airborne threats, MSHORAD provides the coverage needed in complex and challenging settings. We offer an in-house solution from a company that really understands ground based air defence, customer needs and excels at system integration”, says Anders Linder, head of business unit Surface Radar Solutions within Saab’s business area Surveillance.

“Mobile air defence brings major advantages when armed forces are on the move. As a true mobile system, MSHORAD gives customers’ maximum operational flexibility and provides outstanding situational awareness and defensive cover on the move”, says Stefan Öberg, head of business unit Missile Systems within Saab’s business area Dynamics.

http://saabgroup.com/Media/news-pre...le-shorad-rolls-into-dsei-for-the-first-time/

 

[Penguin]

Seems to be the RBS-70 NG mounted to a remote-weapon station.

Agree. It was more meant like 'I would like there to be a VL version of RBS-70'

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Agree. It was more meant like 'I would like there to be a VL version of RBS-70'

Indeed. It would be interesting if they could also replace the laser beam-riding with radar-command, especially as Saab is pushing the Giraffe 1X as an accompanying radar. The Giraffe 1X is an AESA radar, so it should carry a level of defensibility against jamming.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Indeed. It would be interesting if they could also replace the laser beam-riding with radar-command, especially as Saab is pushing the Giraffe 1X as an accompanying radar. The Giraffe 1X is an AESA radar, so it should carry a level of defensibility against jamming.

The Mark IA EyeBall, can detect stealth aircrafts, and is impossible to jam!
It is a fully passive sensor, so it can be very difficult to detect its use.

 

[Basel]

I wonder if a VL version of RBS-70 bolide could be a possibility.

Like Tor M2??

 

[Penguin]

Like Tor M2??

Well, considering the length of RBS-70 (1.32m incl booster, compared to Tor's 2.90m or Barak 1's 2.1m), that's pretty compact, so VL version could be put in small vehicles or even trenches while giving 360 degree coverage. Would also be interesting for small craft or inner defence layer in larger ships, IMHO.

 

[Basel]

Well, considering the length of RBS-70 (1.32m incl booster, compared to Tor's 2.90m or Barak 1's 2.1m), that's pretty compact, so VL version could be put in small vehicles or even trenches while giving 360 degree coverage. Would also be interesting for small craft or inner defence layer in larger ships, IMHO.

Which system will be good TorM-2 or Panstsie SM for PN's FACs which doesn't have SAMs?

 

[Penguin]

Which system will be good TorM-2 or Panstsie SM for PN's FACs which doesn't have SAMs?

I think both are rather heavy and bulky for FACs.
Tor due to its guidance module and seperate missile launchers.
Pantsir due to its reloading magazine, deck penetration and footprint.

Naval Tor M2

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...on-of-tor-m2u-air-defense-missile-system.html

Naval Pantsir (note the small inset in the poster, bottom right)

https://defencerussia.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3565032/posts

https://twitter.com/hashtag/pantsir

By comparision, bolt on deck RAM and Sea RAM

VL Barak 1 on Saar 4.5

RAM aside, for PN therefor MANPADS based systems would be better for its small craft.

 

[Basel]

I think both are rather heavy and bulky for FACs.
Tor due to its guidance module and seperate missile launchers.
Pantsir due to its reloading magazine, deck penetration and footprint.

Naval Tor M2

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...on-of-tor-m2u-air-defense-missile-system.html

Naval Pantsir (note the small inset in the poster, bottom right)

https://defencerussia.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3565032/posts

https://twitter.com/hashtag/pantsir

By comparision, bolt on deck RAM and Sea RAM

VL Barak 1 on Saar 4.5

RAM aside, for PN therefor MANPADS based systems would be better for its small craft.

You mean VL RBS-70 or better system is suited for FAC and those are good for F-22P? Pantsir SM have good 40km range which will be good upgrade for current PN ships.

 

[Penguin]

You mean VL RBS-70 or better system is suited for FAC and those are good for F-22P? Pantsir SM have good 40km range which will be good upgrade for current PN ships.

That 40km range may be radar range. However, missile range is more like 12km, my friend.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...ervice-with-russian-navy-before-year-end.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...ystem_technical_data_sheet_specification.html

On F22P, I would use a larger missile. My preference would be an IR homing or active radar homing missile (doesn't need illuminator or guidance radar). E.g. Sea Ceptor or IRIS-T or Umkhonto.

For smaller units, you want something that can be carried in numbers, provided all rond coverage, is fast and accurate and has reasonable self defence range (they wont be taking out launch platforms anyway). Here too, my preference would be IR homing, but there are advantages to laserbeam riders (hard to jam eg) and so long as sufficient firecontrol channels (e.g. 4) are available ...

 

[Basel]

That 40km range may be radar range. However, missile range is more like 12km, my friend.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...ervice-with-russian-navy-before-year-end.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...ystem_technical_data_sheet_specification.html

On F22P, I would use a larger missile. My preference would be an IR homing or active radar homing missile (doesn't need illuminator or guidance radar). E.g. Sea Ceptor or IRIS-T or Umkhonto.

For smaller units, you want something that can be carried in numbers, provided all rond coverage, is fast and accurate and has reasonable self defence range (they wont be taking out launch platforms anyway). Here too, my preference would be IR homing, but there are advantages to laserbeam riders (hard to jam eg) and so long as sufficient firecontrol channels (e.g. 4) are available ...

As per Jane's earlier version of Pantsir was 40km radar range and 20km SAM range now Pantsir SM will have 75km radar range with 40km SAM range which is quite good for F-22P Type ship which lack decent SAM.


It could be good replacement of CIWS.


http://www.janes.com/article/64663/russia-s-pantsyr-sm-air-defence-system-ready-in-two-years

 

[Penguin]

As per Jane's earlier version of Pantsir was 40km radar range and 20km SAM range now Pantsir SM will have 75km radar range with 40km SAM range which is quite good for F-22P Type ship which lack decent SAM.

It could be good replacement of CIWS.

http://www.janes.com/article/64663/russia-s-pantsyr-sm-air-defence-system-ready-in-two-years

As it says: "This implies the system will use a new, larger missiles." So this will make the issue I mentioned bigger.

It also says "The Pantsyr-M is expected to feature a quad-directional static radar array, and will use both the same missiles as the land-based Pantsyr-S1/Pantsyr-SM and the future Hermes-K missile for use against small surface targets, and slow-moving aircraft like helicopters. Russia is planning for the Pantsyr-M is to replace the Kortik/Kashtan (SA-N-11 'Grison') air defence system in due course."
Which means that firing units aside, there will be a significant weight added by the quad-directional static radar array. Another reason this is not for small units, perhaps not even F22P sized light frigates.

Using Umkhonto-ER-IR, Iris-T or Sea Ceptor will not required this and will give similar or better range.