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Russia’s ties with China, Pakistan disturb India - experts
Aizhan Kazak, RBTH
Moscow’s military engagement with Pakistan, alleged dialogue with the Taliban, and growing ties with the Taliban are upsetting New Delhi, experts said at a recent conference. However, a source in the Indian Ministry of External Affairs said Russia-India diplomatic ties were strong and growing.
Even as Moscow and New Delhi are currently trying to take economic relations to a new level, Russia’s ties with India’s major rivals in the region may prove to be an irritant between the long-term allies, experts who took part at a recent forum in Delhi held by the Russian International Affairs Council (RIAC) and the Vivekananda International Foundation, told a Russian publication.

The Kommersant daily cited Vivekananda International Foundation Director and former Chief of Army Staff of the Indian Army Nirmal Chander Vij as saying that New Delhi was concerned about “the growing military cooperation between Moscow and Islamabad and Chinese expansion in Eurasia.”


Russia will not abandon its privileged ties with India for Pakistan- expert

“Russia can sell guns to Pakistan, but in return has to be ready that the ‘business as usual’ principle will stop working,” Vice Admiral (Retired) Anup Singh told the paper.

Former Indian ambassador to Russia Prabhat Shukla criticized Russia’s alleged outreach to the Taliban’s moderate wing and added that “attempts to distinguish Taliban movement from the forbidden in Russia terrorist group ISIS are way off the mark.”

RIAC expert Vasily Kashin believes that a lack of information is currently leading to myths being formed in India about Russia-China and Russia-Pakistan relations. He added that there is a clear imbalance in Russia-India-China relations.

“It is clearly a subversive tactic for those with vested interests to hype Russia’s engagement with Pakistan. There was a ridiculous article in a Pakistani publication that Russia, China and Pakistan were formalizing some kind of alliance. Such reports should not be dignified with a response,” the source told RBTH on the condition of anonymity.

The expert said both Beijing and Delhi are strategic partners for Moscow, however military ties with China show a year-on-year growth, while cooperation with India in the same are is “far more humble,” Kashin told Kommersant.

A source in India’s Ministry of External affairs told RBTH on April 5 that India has repeatedly refuted media reports that claim that there was some friction between Moscow and New Delhi.

“It is clearly a subversive tactic for those with vested interests to hype Russia’s engagement with Pakistan. There was a ridiculous article in a Pakistani publication that Russia, China and Pakistan were formalizing some kind of alliance. Such reports should not be dignified with a response,” the source said on the condition of anonymity, as he was not authorized to talk to the media.

“Our ties with Russia are strong and robust and we are preparing to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic ties,” he added.

Economic ties
Anderi Kortunov, Director of Russian Council on International Affairs, told Kommersant that politically speaking “India needs more exclusiveness from Russia,” while setting the new pace for Moscow-Delhi economic relations was a “high-priority task” for the Kremlin.


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Russia and India are strengthening cooperation in investment projects and the diamond industry. Charge D'affaires of the Russian Embassy Anatoly Kargapolov told the paper that the countries were involved in major mining and energy projects

The diplomat cited the example of ONGC Videsh Ltd, which has a 49.9 percent stake in the Vankor oil and gas project in the Krasnoyarsk territory. He also mentioned plans by Hong Kong-based Indian company KGK Group’s plans to invest in the diamond industry in the Primorye Territory in the Russian Far East.

Vaidyanathan Sivakumar, Executive Director of Sun Group, which invests in Russia and India, told Kommersant that there was a need to diversify trade and economic ties between the countries. He identified innovative technology as one such area for cooperation.

Read more: Russia, India to expand defense cooperation in 2017 – experts
 
PRC (Pakistan, Russia and China) strategic alliance is a reality.

Let's accept it and move on. There is no need to sugar coat it.
 
US does not have any plans to sell F-35s to India. There is no such plan.

Yes, but for India, if it's not getting PAKFA, It won't have the tech for AMCA. AMCA might as well dead in the crib. It's only other option on ever getting fifth gen plane is to wait in line for F-35
 
Yes, but for India, if it's not getting PAKFA, It won't have the tech for AMCA. AMCA might as well dead in the crib. It's only other option on ever getting fifth gen plane is to wait in line for F-35

The line is so big for F-35s that there is no point in standing in the line at this time.

Hence India is currently focusing on 4th generation fighters only.

India is looking to improve reliability of Su-30s with the spare parts deal with Russia while acquiring used MIG-29s from Malaysia to arrest the falling numbers.
 
This is coming from the same mentality and source that claimed SU35 was coming to Pakistan. Guys look at the source, think strategically what would be the benefit?

Why would Putin give up on his cash cow India even if they reduced the "percentage of military spending" with Russia?

Let me explain. India gives more $$$ to Russia at 4 folds more than it used to. That is because India imports more now. Where it used to import 10 dollars, of which it gave Russia $8 and France $2. Now it imports $1000 and gives Russia $400 and distributes $600 among a combination of US/Isreal/France/others.

Next, Ask you yourself with no bias in mind; what is the strategic advantage for Russia to give China the lead? Do you know China promised billions in investment to Russia and they have not yet shown them the money? You think Putin is about sharing influence?

Why would China allow Russia to come close to the Gwadar port- a part of the country they own. You don't give Putin access to spy on the Chinese navy!

Lastly, Pakistan, what does it have access to that Russia can't get from Iran?

Come on people_ this is what we called fake news, propaganda.

Pakistan is of strategic benefit to China, no doubt. That's why China is buying up 100-year leases of their sovereign land.
 
Pakistan is of strategic benefit to China, no doubt. That's why China is buying up 100-year leases of their sovereign land.

100 year leases is something new for me, do you have a source for your claim?
 
Yes, but for India, if it's not getting PAKFA, It won't have the tech for AMCA. AMCA might as well dead in the crib. It's only other option on ever getting fifth gen plane is to wait in line for F-35
Dont worry if and when India wants f-35,US will open up a seperate line..after all those will be for use against china...
 
100 year leases is something new for me, do you have a source for your claim?

It's slightly nuanced. 40-50 year lease with favorable extension terms for another 40-50 years.

Also- Chinese know paying them back is going to be tough for Pak at terms they made you sign. You can barely pay off your loans in the first 40 -50 years if the economy is surging high. Chinese know they will pardon some of it at some point in exchange for further extensions of the leases and more favorable revenue terms from earnings garnered from the port. I'm fairly familiar with how Chinese write such contracts.

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0910/c90000-8947932.html
 
The line is so big for F-35s that there is no point in standing in the line at this time.

Hence India is currently focusing on 4th generation fighters only.

India is looking to improve reliability of Su-30s with the spare parts deal with Russia while acquiring used MIG-29s from Malaysia to arrest the falling numbers.

In another word, India have zero tangible plan B in case PAKFA fall through. India is asking for a full tech transfer which will not happen. So India is focusing on 4th gen plane, as you said.

In the mean time, still get in line for F-35. Its a long line, but it's still the best option. The only plausible choice.
 
It's slightly nuanced. 40-50 year lease with favorable extension terms for another 40-50 years.

Also- Chinese know paying them back is going to be tough for Pak at terms they made you sign. You can barely pay off your loans in the first 40 -50 years if the economy is surging high. Chinese know they will pardon some of it at some point in exchange for further extensions of the leases and more favorable revenue terms from earnings garnered from the port. I'm fairly familiar with how Chinese write such contracts.

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0910/c90000-8947932.html


Going by the article, it says China is renting it from Pakistan, so where did you get that Pakistan is leasing out our sovereignty?
 
In another word, India have zero tangible plan B in case PAKFA fall through. India is asking for a full tech transfer which will not happen. So India is focusing on 4th gen plane, as you said.

In the mean time, still get in line for F-35. Its a long line, but it's still the best option. The only plausible choice.

Keep in mind India has access to buy high technology weaponry from every country, unlike China, where outside of stealing US & European technology as a source, we really don't know the caliber of their hardware. From a China perspective, India really does not need a 5th generation aircraft(4++ would suffice), maybe a 6th generation where the technological advantage is substantial. Chinese can't fly their 5th generation aircraft without being picked up Indian radars, in my view. There is a limitation to "staying in stealth mode".
 
In another word, India have zero tangible plan B in case PAKFA fall through. India is asking for a full tech transfer which will not happen. So India is focusing on 4th gen plane, as you said.

In the mean time, still get in line for F-35. Its a long line, but it's still the best option. The only plausible choice.
We already told the Indians Russia will never TOT but they didn't believe us. Now they are telling the Russians they are not interested and might be going for F-35. Well good luck the queue is very very long
 
Whats problem with India... You are too disturb nation.. having depression every now and then.. please go to psychiatrist... but they will offer you burnol only... :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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