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Some argue that nations like individuals are at their best when they are internally motivated, does that mean we should think of ourselves as Islands, unconnected with others, imagining ourselves as may be a problem, possibly??




October 3, 2009

Nobody Likes Us? Who Cares?
By JOHN R. MILLER
Berkeley, Calif.

IN 1926, a time of peace, Edwin James wrote in The Times Magazine: “Of all the peoples in the world, the Americans are the least loved. That is one way of saying that the United States of America is the most unpopular nation on the face of the earth.”

This should help put into perspective current American concerns about negative international public opinion. The United States’ standing in the world has always been relatively low and that overall negative trend is unaffected by the fact that much of the world celebrated the election of President Obama, or by polls indicating that at least some Europeans are pleased with Mr. Obama’s leadership. Public opinion, it seems, is driven less by current events or decisions than by a deep resentment of America’s powerful status.

This helps explain the negativity (mostly in Western Europe) that James sensed in the 1920s. One informal survey from that time showed that just a few years after the United States helped France to fight a war with Germany, the French people called the United States their least favorite among nations, Germany included. French mobs marched on the United States Embassy and threw rocks at buses carrying American tourists.

Americans were bewildered. Hadn’t the French always loved us, as evidenced by their giving troops and loans to help the American Revolution? And hadn’t we just sent troops and loans to help the French in the war? Why were the French so angry?

The answer is simple: Major world powers attract envy and resentment. Nations, like individuals, would much prefer to be seen as the generous benefactor rather than the dependent beneficiary — especially of a nation that was once far less powerful.

Perhaps demonstrating this point, a curious change occurred in the late 1920s and ’30s. As the United States retreated to a more isolationist stance, Western European public opinion seemed to change for the better. Gallup surveys in 1939 showed that, even as Americans tried to stay aloof from the war in Europe, the French and British public, both by a sizable margin, regarded the United States as their favorite foreign nation.

After we joined Britain and liberated France, public opinion toward the United States swung again. A Gallup survey in 1945 showed a dip in feelings toward America after liberation, with 54 percent of the French expressing disappointment with America. As for Britain, in wartime essays at the end of 1943, George Orwell wrestled with the fact that while British officials were careful to offer nothing but praise for the United States, the British public had developed a very low opinion of the Yanks.

One would think that at least the Marshall Plan, through which the United States offered economic aid to help rebuild Europe after World War II, would have brought some good will. But Europeans seemed to be resentful of these gifts: Secretary of State Dean Acheson was concerned at the time about growing anti-American public opinion in Western Europe.

To be sure, opinion toward the United States today is not overwhelmingly negative, thanks to widespread approval of President Obama. A recent survey from the German Marshall Fund suggested that positive opinion of the United States had skyrocketed in Europe. Likewise, a Pew survey showed that approval of America has jumped to 75 percent in France and 69 percent in Britain. But the comparable figures were 63 percent and 75 percent, respectively, in the second year of George W. Bush’s administration, and we all know where the numbers went from there. It merely may be that new American presidents tend to enjoy a honeymoon in foreign opinion.

Given these mixed signals, which surveys should President Obama pay attention to — the ones that suggest approval of his leadership or the more negative appraisals? The answer is neither. His only concern should be whether favorable public opinion abroad will help him achieve America’s own goals, and there is little evidence that that is the case.

Rather, history suggests that there is only one sure way for President Obama to ensure the popularity of the United States abroad: reduce the power of the United States or simply don’t exercise it — either militarily, economically or even diplomatically. The world simply distrusts the big guy on the block, and the only way to address this is to stop behaving like a superpower. A much better option, of course, would be to pay less attention to foreign opinion surveys and more to our own ideals and interests.


John R. Miller, a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, is a former Republican representative from Washington and the former State Department ambassador at large on modern slavery.
 
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Given these mixed signals, which surveys should President Obama pay attention to — the ones that suggest approval of his leadership or the more negative appraisals? The answer is neither. His only concern should be whether favorable public opinion abroad will help him achieve America’s own goals, and there is little evidence that that is the case.

Rather, history suggests that there is only one sure way for President Obama to ensure the popularity of the United States abroad: reduce the power of the United States or simply don’t exercise it — either militarily, economically or even diplomatically. The world simply distrusts the big guy on the block, and the only way to address this is to stop behaving like a superpower. A much better option, of course, would be to pay less attention to foreign opinion surveys and more to our own ideals and interests.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT]
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The last two paras summed it up pretty well: another nation's perception should not affect your priorities.

So yes, may be all countries are islands hoping to survive against the tide. Only those who are active can do so successfully.
 
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Allow me to point out that the author served in the Bush Administration
John R. Miller, a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, is a former Republican representative from Washington and the former State Department ambassador at large on modern slavery.
- while the author does a good job of offering a ideological defence of the behaviour of the Bush administration even as he ties that defence to the Obama administration - AND, while there is truth to tthe idea that much of the kind of heat the US takes is due to it's ability and Willingness to take action, to attempt to create or fashion the realities it faces, no individual or nation is a Island, it simply is not reality.

The author, by omission, does not account for the idea that just because the US is both (MaashAllah) able and wiliing, to fashion policies and take action, it does not necessarily follow that those have been successful.

The US is connected (to other peoples and countries), perhaps the most conected of countries in the world, it might want to behave as such, Farid Zakaria has pointed out that the US "globalized" the world, but forgot to globalize itself, perhaps there is as much truth to that as there is to the suggestion that it is only internal motivation that policy makers should account for and be accountable to.
 
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Allow me to point out that the author served in the Bush Administration - while the author does a good job of offering a ideological defence of the behaviour of the Bush administration even as he ties that defence to the Obama administration - AND, while there is truth to tthe idea that much of the kind of heat the US takes is due to it's ability and Willingness to take action, to attempt to create or fashion the realities it faces, no individual or nation is a Island, it simply is not reality.

The author, by omission, does not account for the idea that just because the US is both (MaashAllah) able and wiliing, to fashion policies and take action, it does not necessarily follow that those have been successful.

The US is connected (to other peoples and countries), perhaps the most conected of countries in the world, it might want to behave as such, Farid Zakaria has pointed out that the US "globalized" the world, but forgot to globalize itself, perhaps there is as much truth to that as there is to the suggestion that it is only internal motivation that policy makers should account for and be accountable to.

Oh, so now we have to say "mashallah" to ward off evil for the US :woot:



As for countries or the US being an island: well an island is only an island if taken as a piece of land in the mid of the ocean. But the ocean surrounding it sends currents and eddies in all directions, the clear blue-green pristine water linking any island with many other masses of land. So it is connected yet not connected metaphorically speaking.


What the writer has done is provided a piece where it states that the US was demonised when it took a hands-on approach and vice versa. The moral according to the writer appears to be that either the US does nothing or takes action disregarding any opposition it faces and the latter is better still to do.

Both assertions are wrong. No country is alone and can take actions arbitrarily yet no one is so bound that they can't take pre-emptive measures. A fine balance has to be struck between all parties with common interests and all should move forward with a collectivist approach.
 
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Oh, so now we have to say "mashallah" to ward off evil for the US

"MaashAllah" because is it not an ability that we want for Pakistan??
and if we want that, in other words, if we want the "able and willing" point for Pakistan, should we condemn it for the US??

Sometimes, you feel more than you think - and it's disappointing.
 
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"MaashAllah" because is it not an ability that we want for Pakistan??
and if we want that, in other words, if we want the "able and willing" point for Pakistan, should we condemn it for the US??

Sometimes, you feel more than you think - and it's disappointing.


Muse, I feel hence I think and vice versa... I would never let go of that. Why are you disappointed? Just to set the record straight I haven't done any feeling here.


And mashallah sounded completely unlike you actually.... You are such an upholder of secularism that to see you using "mashallah" seemed completely off-character. Since when have you started to bring Allah in such threads? When have you started to believe in warding off evil?

I am not disappointed, but taken aback yes.
 
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And mashallah sounded completely unlike you actually.... You are such an upholder of secularism that to see you using "mashallah" seemed completely off-character. Since when have you started to bring Allah in such threads? When have you started to believe in warding off evil?

I am not disappointed, but taken aback yes


Then it is because I am new to you, I have been on these fora for more than 15 years - to me "secularism" means Ilmaniyat" (non-religious science or knowledge based) and will never mean "ladeenyat" or Godlessness. And I do not use "MasshAllah" to ward off evil, but to express the idea of "blessings of endeavor".
 
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Then it is because I am new to you, I have been on these fora for more than 15 years - to me "secularism" means Ilmaniyat" (non-religious science or knowledge based) and will never mean "ladeenyat" or Godlessness. And I do not use "MasshAllah" to ward off evil, but to express the idea of "blessings of endeavor".

Admittedly, I don't know you.
 
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Many people overlook the fact: 'If US does not, who will?'
As the richest country in the world, being a democracy that gives respect to human rights, it is US's responsibility to lead, act big and tough. They should not just wear a dont care attitude because some people hate them.

In fact much of the co-operation seen between countries today is because of the example set by USA. See how many countries US uplifted with their AID. India, which used to be called a bottom-less pit is now in a position to help other nations.
 
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Many people overlook the fact: 'If US does not, who will?'
As the richest country in the world, being a democracy that gives respect to human rights, it is US's responsibility to lead, act big and tough. They should not just wear a dont care attitude because some people hate them.

In fact much of the co-operation seen between countries today is because of the example set by USA. See how many countries US uplifted with their AID. India, which used to be called a bottom-less pit is now in a position to help other nations.

Well, that is all well and good. But please believe that the "average" American, like me, is getting very, very, very tired of seeing their young neighbors killed and maimed in places that we very, very, very much question deserve our help. American "re-isolationism" is not that very far from "re-occurring". So for all the drone strike complainers out there in PDF land, you might get what you wish for. I hope you will be happy letting your Chinese buddies try to help you make the world right. Especially with your neighbor, India.
 
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Are you a movie fan?? Did you ever see "The Lonelyness of the Long Distance Runner"? rent it some time -- And, Patience, there are many who do not deserve your help, and some say you do not deserve to lead -- So, patience, and remember in this bathhouse we are all naked.
 
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