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THE SATURDAY INTERVIEW - RK Yadav
It is well known that intelligence agencies are used and abused by political parties in power. And as a corollary to this they do not want to make intelligence agencies accountable to Parliament.
RK Yadav, former general secretary of the Cabinet Secretariat (RAW) Employees Association, has launched a movement to make the countrys intelligence agencies, especially the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), accountable to Parliament for addressing administrative grievances.
Mr Yadav, who spent all his life in the countrys premier external intelligence agency and fought for the cause of subordinate RAW employees, created a furore in 1980 when he led a 10-day pen down strike in RAW, the first such stir in an intelligence agency. He has remained in the news for criticising misuse of the Official Secrets Act, victimisation of subordinate RAW officials and arbitrary misuse of power and position by senior RAW officers. He joined RAW officers cadre in 1973 and worked in various important departments, including the Special Bureau of Rajasthan and Punjab and also in the Chinese branch of the intelligence agency.
He was sacked in the late eighties but has remained undeterred in his crusade against corruption in Indian intelligence agencies. Mr Yadav spoke to VIJAY THAKUR on the changing role of RAW and the increasing misuse of power and position by the top brass and their political masters.
Excerpts:
RAW was created in 1968 on the lines of the CIA, KGB and the MI6 to generate external intelligence for the country. It had done a commendable job during the Indo-Pak war in 1971. How has RAWs functioning changed over the past 40 years? What do you think is lacking in the agency?
RAW is no doubt the premier external intelligence agency of the country. It has the unmatchable asset of intelligence gathering officers and those who dedicate their lives to the nation. However, over the past several years the agency has been marred not only by groupism and nepotism, but there has also been a total collapse of intelligence gathering while tackling cross-border terrorism. This was seen at its worst in the 26/11 attack by Pakistan-trained terrorists in Mumbai.
The top brass of the agency are more busy fighting each other or pleasing their political masters than planning a roadmap for an intelligence gathering mechanism. The role of RAW has become important in view of the increasing terrorism in our neighbouring countries. We are surrounded by nations that are indirectly funding and supporting terrorist organisations operating in India. The spread of the Taliban in Afghanistan and their interest in Kashmir has further increased our worries.
You said we have the unmatchable asset of intelligence gathering officers. Yet you think we have a problem in intelligence gathering?
Yes, we have very efficient intelligence officers in RAW, but they are highly demoralised. What would be a worse example than a senior woman officer trying to commit suicide in the Prime Ministers Office levelling charges against the RAW chief. She was a very senior officer of director rank and she accused the then RAW chief of sexually harassing her. Nothing could be more shameful for an organisation. This might be a single case but it reflects the level of demoralisation and helplessness in the agency. There are many more in the agency who are frustrated over the treatment given to them by the top brass. It would be no surprise if we witness more such incidents in future.
When the controversial RAW secretary, Ashok Chaturvedi, retired on 31 January, more than half the employees at RAW headquarters boycotted his farewell, which has never happened before. There are allegations against senior officers of RAW that they are misusing secret funds in promoting their personal business. There is rampant harassment, exploitation and nepotism in day-to-day working of the agency.
Transfer to hard stations in the north-east and Jammu and Kashmir is not done on the basis of calibre but those who are sought to be mentally harassed are sent to settle personal scores by the seniors. This is adversely affecting operational capabilities in the insurgency and militancy affected regions of the country.
Secondly, there is no administrative grievance redressal mechanism for the employees of RAW due to which they are traumatised and in a pathetic state of mind. I am working hard to make RAW accountable to Parliament at least over administrative grievances. There is no harm if we take Parliament into confidence about administrative matters. I am firmly of the view that it would only improve the quality and confidence of RAW officers.
Other than making it accountable to Parliament to some extent, what else do we need to do to improve the functioning of the agency?
When Mr Chaturvedi retired, he admitted that there was lack of HUMINT ~ human intelligence ~ during his tenure and emphasised the need to focus on it in future. This was a candid admission; indeed HUMINT has seen a drastic decline in the agency.
Earlier, our field officers used to have assets (human sources) to get information, but unfortunately the practice has seen a decline. We are more dependent on technical intelligence. I am not undermining technical intelligence, which no doubt is a very important aspect of modern intelligence gathering, but when it comes to getting hard information, the conventional style of intelligence gathering has no match. There would never be any replacement for HUMINT if we really want to increase the inflow of specific intelligence.
What you are saying is in general terms. Would you please elaborate more specifically.
We cannot elaborate on the functioning of an intelligence agency beyond a point. In brief, I would say our three important desks, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China desks, do not seem to have any direction. Blame it on the party in power or on the spineless bureaucracy. We have no vision or future planning for Pakistan, Bangladesh or even China. After the Vajpayee-Sharif talks, the ISI was planning Kargil and on the other hand our RAW officers were singing paeans to Indo-Pak friendship. They did not even bother to check independently what was going on in the ISI and in the Pakistan army.
When we talk of vision, I mean our future programmes and planning towards our hostile neighbours. Intelligence gathering should be a continuous process if we do not want a repeat of Kargil or the Mumbai terror attack. Our top brass should give themselves a break from infighting or pleasing political masters, and work to check the terror menace in the country.
What are the challenges before RAW?
Today our enemies want to launch a war against us. They want to destabilise us and make us weak. And to an extent they have done that. We have terrorism in Kashmir by separatist forces, Naxalism in more than half a dozen states, insurgency in almost all the north-eastern states, terrorism supported by fundamentalist forces in the hinterland which has spread to southern cities as well. When we study it in depth, we can reach one conclusion, all this is supported by external forces, mainly intelligence agencies of our neighbours.
We should be very cautious of the nefarious designs of the ISI. It is using terrorist organisations to promote terrorism all over the country. It is also indulging in large-scale smuggling of counterfeit currency mostly through Nepal to destabilise the Indian economy.
The need of the hour is to infuse new blood in our operatives in Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan to check anti-India activities. We have resources, we have brains and we can do it. The only thing we need is firm resolve from the top. If the message is percolated down the line, we will see a change within a matter of months.
What do you mean by firm resolve from the top?
As of now, those who eye the RAW chiefs job want it not to do something but because the post commands respect and power. Unfortunately, the RAW chief is not selected on the basis of his future planning. Our selection system should be such that all the incumbents should be asked to prepare a roadmap for the countrys intelligence agency. The incumbent should have a plan for Pakistan, Bangladesh or China, he should set goals for himself. And this should be reviewed in due course at a higher level after he is selected. The process would not only help in selecting the right RAW chief, but would also force the incumbent to do something constructive.
The Statesman
It is well known that intelligence agencies are used and abused by political parties in power. And as a corollary to this they do not want to make intelligence agencies accountable to Parliament.
RK Yadav, former general secretary of the Cabinet Secretariat (RAW) Employees Association, has launched a movement to make the countrys intelligence agencies, especially the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), accountable to Parliament for addressing administrative grievances.
Mr Yadav, who spent all his life in the countrys premier external intelligence agency and fought for the cause of subordinate RAW employees, created a furore in 1980 when he led a 10-day pen down strike in RAW, the first such stir in an intelligence agency. He has remained in the news for criticising misuse of the Official Secrets Act, victimisation of subordinate RAW officials and arbitrary misuse of power and position by senior RAW officers. He joined RAW officers cadre in 1973 and worked in various important departments, including the Special Bureau of Rajasthan and Punjab and also in the Chinese branch of the intelligence agency.
He was sacked in the late eighties but has remained undeterred in his crusade against corruption in Indian intelligence agencies. Mr Yadav spoke to VIJAY THAKUR on the changing role of RAW and the increasing misuse of power and position by the top brass and their political masters.
Excerpts:
RAW was created in 1968 on the lines of the CIA, KGB and the MI6 to generate external intelligence for the country. It had done a commendable job during the Indo-Pak war in 1971. How has RAWs functioning changed over the past 40 years? What do you think is lacking in the agency?
RAW is no doubt the premier external intelligence agency of the country. It has the unmatchable asset of intelligence gathering officers and those who dedicate their lives to the nation. However, over the past several years the agency has been marred not only by groupism and nepotism, but there has also been a total collapse of intelligence gathering while tackling cross-border terrorism. This was seen at its worst in the 26/11 attack by Pakistan-trained terrorists in Mumbai.
The top brass of the agency are more busy fighting each other or pleasing their political masters than planning a roadmap for an intelligence gathering mechanism. The role of RAW has become important in view of the increasing terrorism in our neighbouring countries. We are surrounded by nations that are indirectly funding and supporting terrorist organisations operating in India. The spread of the Taliban in Afghanistan and their interest in Kashmir has further increased our worries.
You said we have the unmatchable asset of intelligence gathering officers. Yet you think we have a problem in intelligence gathering?
Yes, we have very efficient intelligence officers in RAW, but they are highly demoralised. What would be a worse example than a senior woman officer trying to commit suicide in the Prime Ministers Office levelling charges against the RAW chief. She was a very senior officer of director rank and she accused the then RAW chief of sexually harassing her. Nothing could be more shameful for an organisation. This might be a single case but it reflects the level of demoralisation and helplessness in the agency. There are many more in the agency who are frustrated over the treatment given to them by the top brass. It would be no surprise if we witness more such incidents in future.
When the controversial RAW secretary, Ashok Chaturvedi, retired on 31 January, more than half the employees at RAW headquarters boycotted his farewell, which has never happened before. There are allegations against senior officers of RAW that they are misusing secret funds in promoting their personal business. There is rampant harassment, exploitation and nepotism in day-to-day working of the agency.
Transfer to hard stations in the north-east and Jammu and Kashmir is not done on the basis of calibre but those who are sought to be mentally harassed are sent to settle personal scores by the seniors. This is adversely affecting operational capabilities in the insurgency and militancy affected regions of the country.
Secondly, there is no administrative grievance redressal mechanism for the employees of RAW due to which they are traumatised and in a pathetic state of mind. I am working hard to make RAW accountable to Parliament at least over administrative grievances. There is no harm if we take Parliament into confidence about administrative matters. I am firmly of the view that it would only improve the quality and confidence of RAW officers.
Other than making it accountable to Parliament to some extent, what else do we need to do to improve the functioning of the agency?
When Mr Chaturvedi retired, he admitted that there was lack of HUMINT ~ human intelligence ~ during his tenure and emphasised the need to focus on it in future. This was a candid admission; indeed HUMINT has seen a drastic decline in the agency.
Earlier, our field officers used to have assets (human sources) to get information, but unfortunately the practice has seen a decline. We are more dependent on technical intelligence. I am not undermining technical intelligence, which no doubt is a very important aspect of modern intelligence gathering, but when it comes to getting hard information, the conventional style of intelligence gathering has no match. There would never be any replacement for HUMINT if we really want to increase the inflow of specific intelligence.
What you are saying is in general terms. Would you please elaborate more specifically.
We cannot elaborate on the functioning of an intelligence agency beyond a point. In brief, I would say our three important desks, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China desks, do not seem to have any direction. Blame it on the party in power or on the spineless bureaucracy. We have no vision or future planning for Pakistan, Bangladesh or even China. After the Vajpayee-Sharif talks, the ISI was planning Kargil and on the other hand our RAW officers were singing paeans to Indo-Pak friendship. They did not even bother to check independently what was going on in the ISI and in the Pakistan army.
When we talk of vision, I mean our future programmes and planning towards our hostile neighbours. Intelligence gathering should be a continuous process if we do not want a repeat of Kargil or the Mumbai terror attack. Our top brass should give themselves a break from infighting or pleasing political masters, and work to check the terror menace in the country.
What are the challenges before RAW?
Today our enemies want to launch a war against us. They want to destabilise us and make us weak. And to an extent they have done that. We have terrorism in Kashmir by separatist forces, Naxalism in more than half a dozen states, insurgency in almost all the north-eastern states, terrorism supported by fundamentalist forces in the hinterland which has spread to southern cities as well. When we study it in depth, we can reach one conclusion, all this is supported by external forces, mainly intelligence agencies of our neighbours.
We should be very cautious of the nefarious designs of the ISI. It is using terrorist organisations to promote terrorism all over the country. It is also indulging in large-scale smuggling of counterfeit currency mostly through Nepal to destabilise the Indian economy.
The need of the hour is to infuse new blood in our operatives in Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan to check anti-India activities. We have resources, we have brains and we can do it. The only thing we need is firm resolve from the top. If the message is percolated down the line, we will see a change within a matter of months.
What do you mean by firm resolve from the top?
As of now, those who eye the RAW chiefs job want it not to do something but because the post commands respect and power. Unfortunately, the RAW chief is not selected on the basis of his future planning. Our selection system should be such that all the incumbents should be asked to prepare a roadmap for the countrys intelligence agency. The incumbent should have a plan for Pakistan, Bangladesh or China, he should set goals for himself. And this should be reviewed in due course at a higher level after he is selected. The process would not only help in selecting the right RAW chief, but would also force the incumbent to do something constructive.
The Statesman