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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan cannot have bullet trains, even though this was one of the ruling party’s election promises, Khawaja Saad Rafique told the National Assembly on Tuesday.

“When we asked the Chinese about it, they laughed at us. We should consider the 160kmph train under CPEC as a bullet train. We can’t afford an actual bullet train, there’s no market for it,” the railway minister said.

Admitting that their party had faced a lot of criticism over not launching the project, he said that the country didn’t have enough money to build one. “Even if we do, we don’t have such a big range of upper and middle class passengers who will buy tickets.”

In an articulate speech on the floor of the house, Mr Rafique gave members a comprehensive overview of the performance of his department and insisted that he was doing as much as possible to clean up the department and turn it into a profit-making entity.

Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan are not prepared to turn over railway land to the Pakistan Railways, preventing the department from using them to generate more revenue, he told the house.

Minister tells NA Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan refusing to turn over railway land
“The biggest problem with railway lands across the country is that they are owned by the provincial governments while being under the possession of Pakistan Railways. The provinces are not prepared to turn over these lands to us, despite a Supreme Court order to do so,” he said.

“There isn’t a chief minister I haven’t pleaded with over the past three-and-a-half years. Except Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which turned over 90pc of such lands to us, the other provinces have not handed us a single marla.”

“How can we commercially exploit land whose title doesn’t belong to us?” he asked.

However, he clarified that land that was occupied by traditional dwellers or slum residents would not be touched. “How can we displace those people; where will they go?” he said, while vowing to act strictly against those who used railway land for commercial purposes.

He claimed 1,017 acres of land had been retrieved from encroachments during his tenure.

Although the minister was supposed to respond to a motion regarding the “non-utilisation of lands of Railways in the country”, he covered nearly all aspects of his department in his detailed remarks.

Narrating his experience of negotiating with the Chinese over projects related to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, the minister said that things were not as rosy as they appeared to be.

“We will not buy a pen worth Rs2 for Rs10, not while I am heading this department,” he said, explaining that the Asian Development Bank (ADB) had been asked to fund the Lahore-Peshawar section.

“Our Chinese friends have expressed their displeasure, but we’ve made it clear that we have the discretion. They should limit themselves to the Karachi-Lahore track, we will dualise the [up-country] tracks with the ADB,” he said.

Accusing previous administrations of mismanaging Pakistan Railways’ affairs, he detailed all the ills of the department he inherited — from adulterated and substandard food in dining cars to the practice of removing original parts from locomotives or cannibalising carriages to fix damaged bogies.

Although his predecessor Ghulam Ahmad Bilour was in the house when Mr Rafique began his remarks, the ANP member left the assembly once the minister began to take aim at his track-record.

Talking about the Karachi circular railway, he said that the project was wrongly distributed between the various governments, given that the bulk of the financial burden had been placed on the federal government. “We’re having problems running a national railway network; how can you expect us to build intra-city systems? Across the world, metros and local trains are run by independent authorities.

“Yes, state institutions must operate with a certain amount of losses, but it must break even.”

He also lamented that all trains are repaired manually. “We are looking to move towards greater automation of this process, which will help curtail human error and accidental deaths.”

Source:- http://www.dawn.com/news/1299538/pakistan-cant-afford-bullet-trains

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The so called experienced team has failed comprehensively on all fronts and we knew it much before the election as they have a track record of lies, fraud, corruption, incompetence, lechery and dishonesty and the new addition to unseemly list of their ugly traits is the treachery and treason.

However, big ticket projects should never be allowed in Pakistan and rather it should have been made the part of constitution and for each such project the govt should need approval from the parliament. Pakistan really does not need a bullet train rather it needs an overall upgrading of railways system, wide gauge and dual tracks, modern signalling systems, modern electric trains with speeds around or above slightly above 150 kph or 100 mph, modern wagons, modern and functional stations and online booking system. This will make a massive impact on the economy and the popularity of the rail-way travel among all strata of the society and that will change the whole culture of travel within the country.

While bullet train will be too expensive and very limited for example between Lahore and Isb or Lahore and Karachi and on both routes it is bound to fail due to high price and tough competition from motor ways and air travel both in terms of time and money especially in the absence of the train-culture.

But if the suggestions i made above get implemented the railway will emerge as the most popular mode of travel in Pakistan and with improving economy in aftermath of CPEC, upgrading to bullet trains won't be such a big issue.

Furthermore, all the trains technology should be acquired on ToT basis and made inside the country since we need hundreds of engines, and thousands of wagons.
 
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@war&peace Mark my words buddy, they will go for a fast train and label it as Bullet Train and you know the expense will be same or above as Japanese Bullet Train
 
@war&peace Mark my words buddy, they will go for a fast train and label it as Bullet Train and you know the expense will be same or above as Japanese Bullet Train
That's because they are extremely corrupt but people will know that it is not a bullet train. However as it has been added into CPEC so China or Pak Army may keep a check on that. After all, it will be imported from China and China's HSR are really world class.
 
The so called experienced team has failed comprehensively on all fronts and we knew it much before the election as they have a track record of lies, fraud, corruption, incompetence, lechery and dishonesty and the new addition to unseemly list of their ugly traits is the treachery and treason.

However, big ticket projects should never be allowed in Pakistan and rather it should have been made the part of constitution and for each such project the govt should need approval from the parliament. Pakistan really does not need a bullet train rather it needs an overall upgrading of railways system, wide gauge and dual tracks, modern signalling systems, modern electric trains with speeds around or above slightly above 150 kph or 100 mph, modern wagons, modern and functional stations and online booking system. This will make a massive impact on the economy and the popularity of the rail-way travel among all strata of the society and that will change the whole culture of travel within the country.

While bullet train will be too expensive and very limited for example between Lahore and Isb or Lahore and Karachi and on both routes it is bound to fail due to high price and tough competition from motor ways and air travel both in terms of time and money especially in the absence of the train-culture.

But if the suggestions i made above get implemented the railway will emerge as the most popular mode of travel in Pakistan and with improving economy in aftermath of CPEC, upgrading to bullet trains won't be such a big issue.

Furthermore, all the trains technology should be acquired on ToT basis and made inside the country since we need hundreds of engines, and thousands of wagons.

I am sure majority of Pakistanis think like you and they will bring Imran next time....hehe not
 
And you are immediately off topic ..
do you have something to say on topic?

Your every post have the same Topic, i will reply on topic in next few years in response to your 8000th post which will say the same as previous 6411 posts..so hang tight
 
Pakistan can't afford to have bullet trains: Railway minister

Under the ambitious $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) programme, Pakistan is building high-speed trains with a top speed of 160kmph in the country. However, Pakistan's railway minister said that hat the country did not have enough money to build bullet trains.

PTI
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan cannot afford to have bullet trains on par with foreign nations, the country's railway minister has said, citing lack of market for the high-speed rail project.

Khawaja Saad Rafique on Tuesday told the National Assembly that even the Chinese advice was against such train, also known as bullet train in common parlance, Dawn reported.

Under the ambitious $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)+ programme, Pakistan is building high-speed trains with a top speed of 160kmph in the country.

"When we asked the Chinese about it, they laughed at us. We should consider the 160kmph train under CPEC as a bullet train. We cannot afford an actual bullet train, there is no market for it," the railway minister said.

Admitting that their party had faced a lot of criticism over not launching the project despite earlier having made it part of election manifesto, Rafique said that the country did not have enough money to build one.

"Even if we do, we do not have such a big range of upper and middle class passengers who will buy tickets," he said.
 
My own opinion is that Pakistanis should have functioning railway so most of people can afford, and lower the cost of freight.
when Pakistanis accumulates enough capitals, you may build the high speed rail at anytime. The low speed rail can then be focused on freight. This is China's experience.
 
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N just as played politics with bullet trains. Simple google search will tell you Karachi-Peshawar track would have cost $35-40 billion.
 
Well we are running still running coal and diesel engines on 150 years old tracks so how come we can get bullet trains.
The railway minister is a big time lier and have pushed railways more into losses.
 
Well in my opinion a country which is looking to privatize their steel mil and airline how could they afford a a bullet train so be happy with current structure but need to enhance its efficiency but even they are enhancing capability so well done
 

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