Pakistan among losers in post 9/11 era

[longbrained]

A list of losers and winners of post 9/11 world puts Pakistan among the losing parties in the world.

10 Winners And 10 Losers Of 9/11

 

[foxbat]

^^ no surprise there.. (in the list i mean)

 

[longbrained]

^^ no surprise there.. (in the list i mean)

Yeah, but its the explanation that makes the article worthwhile. Also today is the anniversary of that pivotal moment so it is a good time to reflect at what has been gained and what has been lost and why?

 

[somebozo]

Pakistan lost Afghanistan and America gained oil as well as minerals. No surprise that.

Only strengthens the fact that 9/11 is an a false flag operation.

Iran is a winner because it is definately ruled by crypto jews who are longing for freedom for too long.


Another losers:

4. Military families

Just over 6,000 U.S. service members have lost their lives in the U.S. "war on terror," and another 43,000 have suffered injuries. The second number might not seem so daunting until you realize that a large percentage of those wounds involve severe brain trauma and the loss of one or more limbs as the result of hugely destructive roadside bombs favored by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. The flood of casualties has overtaxed the health system for veterans.

The brunt of the vast overseas military commitments assumed by the United States since 9/11 has been born disproportionately by the relatively small number of Americans who serve in the armed forces and their families. Many regular soldiers and Marines have spent multiple tours of duty overseas -- creating enormous burdens for their families at home. Civilian America, by contrast, has made few comparable sacrifices for the war effort.

A dead soldier is a hero, a disabled soldier is a demotivator.

 

[longbrained]

Pakistan lost Afghanistan and America gained oil as well as minerals. No surprise that.

Only strengthens the fact that 9/11 is an a false flag operation.

Iran is a winner because it is definately ruled by crypto jews who are longing for freedom for too long.


Another losers:



A dear soldier is a hero, a disabled soldier is a demotivator.

I do not agree with your point about Iran at all. 9/11 might well be a false flag operation but Pakistan did not lose Afghanistan because of it. Pakistan lost Afghanistan because we wanted to impose a system there that we ourselves despise today. We lost Afghanistan because of hypocrisy. We wanted our girls to go to university and become microbiologists and fighter pilots while imposing on Afghans a system to stop the women education. That is why we lost Afghanistan. As for Iran, they have played their politics smartly and benefited because they held up their national interests supreme as compared to us. Pakistan could have benefited from 9/11 too, charging proper "fees" for cooperating and investing those fees to build Pakistan. Instead we took peanuts and even spent all those peanuts in corruption. Turkey gets its full dues for being an American ally. We only get shy. Just look around. India gets the most sophisticated western technologies and western trade, while Pakistan being an old ally is downgraded. That is because of ourselves, and our bad plans. Iran, Turkey, India and China know what to do during challenging times and turn those challenges into opportunities. Pakistan on the other hand take those opportunities and turn them to challenges which no one can solve. Stop accusing others. Stop calling Muslims, cryptic jews because of your jealousy (a great sin in Islam), because by doing do you have made yourself a non-muslim as per Hadith. Tohmat is a serious offense in Islam.

 

[muse]

Interesting that US has not been listed in the "losers" column

 

[somebozo]

I do not agree with your point about Iran at all. 9/11 might well be a false flag operation but Pakistan did not lose Afghanistan because of it. Pakistan lost Afghanistan because we wanted to impose a system there that we ourselves despise today. We lost Afghanistan because of hypocrisy. We wanted our girls to go to university and become microbiologists and fighter pilots while imposing on Afghans a system to stop the women education. That is why we lost Afghanistan. As for Iran, they have played their politics smartly and benefited because they held up their national interests supreme as compared to us. Pakistan could have benefited from 9/11 too, charging proper "fees" for cooperating and investing those fees to build Pakistan. Instead we took peanuts and even spent all those peanuts in corruption. Turkey gets its full dues for being an American ally. We only get shy. Just look around. India gets the most sophisticated western technologies and western trade, while Pakistan being an old ally is downgraded. That is because of ourselves, and our bad plans. Iran, Turkey, India and China know what to do during challenging times and turn those challenges into opportunities. Pakistan on the other hand take those opportunities and turn them to challenges which no one can solve. Stop accusing others. Stop calling Muslims, cryptic jews because of your jealousy (a great sin in Islam), because by doing do you have made yourself a non-muslim as per Hadith. Tohmat is a serious offense in Islam.

We did not impose anything on Afghanistan, Pakistan is not a imperial power. Rather the Afghans bought misery on themselves due to their bigotry and stinginess. The Talibans in a false sense of power refuse to listen anything sensible from Pakistan. Their logic "why should be take any advice from Pakistan when we have clearly won a far against Russia?" They forgot that it was not without Pakistani masterminds. We tried last resort measures to save them until last moment but it was their stingy decision our of mythical "Pukhtoon Wali" code to protect Osama which led to their ultimate demise.

Even the Taliban said

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Interesting that US has not been listed in the "losers" column

If it wasn't for OBL's death , Yes USA would be up in that list.

 

[foxbat]

We did not impose anything on Afghanistan, Pakistan is not a imperial power. Rather the Afghans bought misery on themselves due to their bigotry and stinginess. The Talibans in a false sense of power refuse to listen anything sensible from Pakistan. Their logic "why should be take any advice from Pakistan when we have clearly won a far against Russia?" They forgot that it was not without Pakistani masterminds. We tried last resort measures to save them until last moment but it was their stingy decision our of mythical "Pukhtoon Wali" code to protect Osama which led to their ultimate demise.

Even the Taliban said

Dude, Taliban were the assets used by Pakistan to establish its writ in Afghanistan.. Pakistan tried hard to become the imperial power but didnt work out well since it couldnt keep the control on its own assets called Taliban who became too big to manage..

 

[53fd]

It's surprising China hasn't been listed in the winners category either.

 

[muse]

If it wasn't for OBL's death , Yes USA would be up in that list.

In these ten years, the US has brought itself global disdain and brought her economy to ruin. Look at the winner list, you won't find the US there either

 

[Kaniska]

The greatest culture that i admire China is non interference in outside country's affair...Excellent foreign policy..That is why China will win throughput irrespective of 9/11 or not.

 

[fd24]

Its a surprise that the US economy hasnt been included in the losers. Look at where it was 10 years and look at it now. Clearly they have been crippled financially yet no mention of that. Obviously not an objective list

 

[foxbat]

Its a surprise that the US economy hasnt been included in the losers. Look at where it was 10 years and look at it now. Clearly they have been crippled financially yet no mention of that. Obviously not an objective list

I dont think the war in Afg is solely to blame for the issues with USA economy. Some even say that this war was supposed to be a distraction.. if you step back and look, the total cost of war in Iraq and afg is estimated to be approx 1.2 trillion usd since 2001. Compare that to the total deficit or debt that the US economy has (over 14 trillion USD).. And you will get what I am trying to say..

 

[VCheng]

from: Pakistan after 9/11 | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

Stuck with a pre-9/11 mindset in a post-9/11 world, Pakistan has suffered greatly over the past decade. Here`s what the Economic Survey of Pakistan, 2010 released last April has to say in a special section: the `war on terror` has “cost the country more than 35,000 citizens, 3,500 security personnel, destruction of infrastructure, internal migration of millions of people from parts of north-western Pakistan, erosion of investment climate, nose-diving of production and growing unemployment and above all brought economic activity to a virtual standstill in many parts of the country”. All of this is all too well known for anyone who has lived in Pakistan over the last decade. What is less clear for the average Pakistani is why this country has suffered so much. Driven by paranoia and fear, the blame for all that ails Pakistan is often laid on external powers. Meanwhile, the outside world has increasingly become suspicious and fearful of Pakistan. How can those two opposites be reconciled?

The answer lies in a reckoning with our own past. From the glorification and sponsorship of jihad in the 1980s to the present breakdown of internal security and external credibility, a bloody but fairly straight line can be drawn. Enamoured of the `non-state actors` that were once cultivated and nurtured to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, the `low-cost` option for pursuing an India-centric security policy has proved almost impossible to resist. But until that link is severed, completely, totally and with zero tolerance, Pakistan is unlikely to ever emerge from the nightmare it has been plunged into. And to sever that link, Pakistan will have to go back to the beginning, to publicly re-examine whether the policy of jihad ever made any sense. While powerful sections of the state apparatus and swaths of public opinion, cynically manipulated by the state over the years, continue to believe that the war of the 1980s was a good idea, it will be impossible to come to terms with who the enemy today is. The cognitive dissonance of venerating one era of militant Islamists while believing the present era of militant Islamists needs to be demobilised or eradicated is too much — the former is always likely to trump the latter.

Even now there is time to change direction and begin the root-and-branch eradication of the infrastructure of jihad. Unhappily, there are few signs that is what the security establishment and the political elite are willing or able to do. Can Pakistan afford, or even survive, another decade like the last? The answer should be obvious, but are the powers that be willing to acknowledge it?