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NADRA warned: Fears raised over potential data leaks to hostile agencies
By Danish Hussain
Published: September 14, 2015

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PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD:
Suspicions have been raised over the possibility of the entire database of Pakistani nationals falling into the hands of hostile foreign spy agencies through a leak, said the country’s premier intelligence agency here.

The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has shared its apprehensions with the National Data base and Registration Authority chief in writing.

“We [the agency] can’t rule out the possibility of leakage of sensitive database [of Pakistanis] to hostile agencies – the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Mossad,” said a report prepared by the ISI.

A copy of the report available with The Express Tribune suggests that the doubt is based on the ground that “the thumb-digitiser system the registration body uses was purchased from a French company of Israeli origin.”

It also said that through the connective of this important system, deliberately or unintentionally, the database could be leaked to anyone.

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Worth around $10 million, the Automatic Finger Print Identification System (AFIS) was purchased by NADRA from a French company, Segem, in 2004. Now, the ISI has claimed that the French-based company is ‘reportedly of Israeli origin’.

NADRA has been advised by the agency to make efforts to develop indigenous software/hardware solutions and still, if needed, such procurements in future should be made from reliable and friendly countries rather than ‘rival’ or hostile countries.

Pakistan is among a few countries that do not recognise Israel as a ‘legitimate state’ and officially there exists no diplomatic relations between the two countries.

NADRA’s spokesperson was asked for his comments over the issue and a questionnaire was sent to him on September 2 but the registration body did not respond it.

However, an official of the media department, who wished not to be named, said, “NADRA neither denies nor confirms receipt of the report from the ISI over the issue.” During background conversations over the issue, some technical experts’ associated with NADRA laughed off the ISI’s claim, saying that it was not based on an understanding of NADRA’s working and its software.

“NADRA database is a closed one, that is, it is not available on [the] internet. So, there are no chances of hacking or leaking,” a senior technical expert claimed. In 2004, he said, NADRA obtained security clearance of the ISI before making this purchase from the said firm. “Indeed, Segem was the only firm until 2004 dealing in such software. In international market, there was no other finger print recognition system available in the world,” he said.

“In 2012, ISI had shared similar doubts and a team of their technical experts had conducted a thorough technical audit of software NADRA was using to ensure system was safe and no leakages or hacking was possible,” he said.

The expert said Segem now worked under the name Segem Morpho, which he claimed, was Pakistan Army’s vendor as well. “NADRA in 2013 also gave the multi-million contract of purchase of smart cards to Segem Morpho,” he added.

Automatic Finger Print Identification System – which has a capacity to verify some seven million finger prints in one second – was handed over to NADRA on September 7, 2004. During a ceremony, held at NADRA headquarters, NADRA former chief Brigadier Saleem Moeen had said NADRA would now have resources to identify any applicant by using its cutting edge technology, thus, eliminating chances of ghost applicants/recipients.

However, the claim of the ex-chairman has turned out to be wrong and thousands of aliens including foreign militants successfully managed to register themselves with the database in connivance with corrupt NADRA officials.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 14th, 2015
 
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This is the reason why needed & still need a Cyber force team.
 
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Now ISI is building up story for avoiding fingers pointed to them in case of Pakistani terrorists are captured alive by Indian agencies.
 
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Now ISI is building up story for avoiding fingers pointed to them in case of Pakistani terrorists are captured alive by Indian agencies.
the thread is not about india, so stop with this trolling or -ve rating is due

Nadra's data is hosted with Teradata & Meta data....so it is already in the hands of third party
NADRA warned: Fears raised over potential data leaks to hostile agencies
By Danish Hussain
Published: September 14, 2015

956305-identitit-1442193524-503-640x480.jpg

PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD:
Suspicions have been raised over the possibility of the entire database of Pakistani nationals falling into the hands of hostile foreign spy agencies through a leak, said the country’s premier intelligence agency here.

The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has shared its apprehensions with the National Data base and Registration Authority chief in writing.

“We [the agency] can’t rule out the possibility of leakage of sensitive database [of Pakistanis] to hostile agencies – the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Mossad,” said a report prepared by the ISI.

A copy of the report available with The Express Tribune suggests that the doubt is based on the ground that “the thumb-digitiser system the registration body uses was purchased from a French company of Israeli origin.”

It also said that through the connective of this important system, deliberately or unintentionally, the database could be leaked to anyone.

An-ISI-report.jpg


Worth around $10 million, the Automatic Finger Print Identification System (AFIS) was purchased by NADRA from a French company, Segem, in 2004. Now, the ISI has claimed that the French-based company is ‘reportedly of Israeli origin’.

NADRA has been advised by the agency to make efforts to develop indigenous software/hardware solutions and still, if needed, such procurements in future should be made from reliable and friendly countries rather than ‘rival’ or hostile countries.

Pakistan is among a few countries that do not recognise Israel as a ‘legitimate state’ and officially there exists no diplomatic relations between the two countries.

NADRA’s spokesperson was asked for his comments over the issue and a questionnaire was sent to him on September 2 but the registration body did not respond it.

However, an official of the media department, who wished not to be named, said, “NADRA neither denies nor confirms receipt of the report from the ISI over the issue.” During background conversations over the issue, some technical experts’ associated with NADRA laughed off the ISI’s claim, saying that it was not based on an understanding of NADRA’s working and its software.

“NADRA database is a closed one, that is, it is not available on [the] internet. So, there are no chances of hacking or leaking,” a senior technical expert claimed. In 2004, he said, NADRA obtained security clearance of the ISI before making this purchase from the said firm. “Indeed, Segem was the only firm until 2004 dealing in such software. In international market, there was no other finger print recognition system available in the world,” he said.

“In 2012, ISI had shared similar doubts and a team of their technical experts had conducted a thorough technical audit of software NADRA was using to ensure system was safe and no leakages or hacking was possible,” he said.

The expert said Segem now worked under the name Segem Morpho, which he claimed, was Pakistan Army’s vendor as well. “NADRA in 2013 also gave the multi-million contract of purchase of smart cards to Segem Morpho,” he added.

Automatic Finger Print Identification System – which has a capacity to verify some seven million finger prints in one second – was handed over to NADRA on September 7, 2004. During a ceremony, held at NADRA headquarters, NADRA former chief Brigadier Saleem Moeen had said NADRA would now have resources to identify any applicant by using its cutting edge technology, thus, eliminating chances of ghost applicants/recipients.

However, the claim of the ex-chairman has turned out to be wrong and thousands of aliens including foreign militants successfully managed to register themselves with the database in connivance with corrupt NADRA officials.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 14th, 2015
 
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the thread is not about india, so stop with this trolling or -ve rating is due

Nadra's data is hosted with Teradata & Meta data....so it is already in the hands of third party

You are a think tank ask some MOD to put a foot in his @$$ they are trolling with purpose.
 
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Worth around $10 million, the Automatic Finger Print Identification System (AFIS) was purchased by NADRA from a French company, Segem, in 2004. Now, the ISI has claimed that the French-based company is ‘reportedly of Israeli origin’.

That's what I exactly knew when this requirement came out in 2000 or so that they are interested in some French system instead of a system proposed by a Pakistani engineer made. That was not as 100% as French system but if we consider in VIS a VIS system built by ONE Person and a system made by A Firm with A dedicated team for this purpose and their efficiency at that time was 92% to 96% of Sagem system whereas the system built by the Pakistani guy was 89 to 93% approx with international standard testing from some US University which provides statistics at that time I believe that was Stanford but I can not surely recall it.

NADRA has been advised by the agency to make efforts to develop indigenous software/hardware solutions and still, if needed, such procurements in future should be made from reliable and friendly countries rather than ‘rival’ or hostile countries.

Hahaha when that was available in Pakistan instead of investing in for that self built system that may have cost them around 24 Million Pakistani Rupees (for that time it was about less than half a million $) but they have chosen a French system. If they had gone with the system I have mentioned above they may have a system of their own and by the time like when this system has been installed its efficiency may have grown with putting up a dedicated team for further research and development and eventually they could have its by products built and may have them on offer in the market. But their was no kickbacks and foreign tours included. Pity!

Pakistan is among a few countries that do not recognise Israel as a ‘legitimate state’ and officially there exists no diplomatic relations between the two countries.

And eventually their greed and lust make them fall into their enemy hands.

However, an official of the media department, who wished not to be named, said, “NADRA neither denies nor confirms receipt of the report from the ISI over the issue.” During background conversations over the issue, some technical experts’ associated with NADRA laughed off the ISI’s claim, saying that it was not based on an understanding of NADRA’s working and its software.

I would say fire that chutia technical expert in first place and put up some competent one who may understand the grievance of the issue. This idiot has no idea what he is dealing with.

NADRA database is a closed one, that is, it is not available on [the] internet. So, there are no chances of hacking or leaking,” a senior technical expert claimed. In 2004, he said, NADRA obtained security clearance of the ISI before making this purchase from the said firm. “Indeed, Segem was the only firm until 2004 dealing in such software. In international market, there was no other fingerprint recognition system available in the world,” he said.

Ooh my god somebody kill this SOB.

“In 2012, ISI had shared similar doubts and a team of their technical experts had conducted a thorough technical audit of software NADRA was using to ensure system was safe and no leakages or hacking was possible,” he said.

You are safe until you are not a target that's what we have learned in Cyber World. Rest is Bull Crap.

The expert said Segem now worked under the name Segem Morpho, which he claimed, was Pakistan Army’s vendor as well. “NADRA in 2013 also gave the multi-million contract of purchase of smart cards to Segem Morpho,” he added.

Automatic Fingerprint Identification System – which has a capacity to verify some seven million fingerprints in one second – was handed over to NADRA on September 7, 2004. During a ceremony, held at NADRA headquarters, NADRA former chief Brigadier Saleem Moeen had said NADRA would now have resources to identify any applicant by using its cutting edge technology, thus, eliminating chances of ghost applicants/recipients.

It doesn't do everything at its own you have to set the SOP's there were people who are running this system and they need to be trust worthy.

However, the claim of the ex-chairman has turned out to be wrong and thousands of aliens including foreign militants successfully managed to register themselves with the database in connivance with corrupt NADRA officials.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 14th, 2015
 
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the thread is not about india, so stop with this trolling or -ve rating is due

Did you read the article or you are just think thank without any thinking ability? It talks about RAW (Indian spy agency). See the below quote from the article.

“We [the agency] can’t rule out the possibility of leakage of sensitive database [of Pakistanis] to hostile agencies – the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Mossad,” said a report prepared by the ISI.
 
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Come on guys!....Whenever there is such a large database that is bound to be attacked in cyberworld....It is that agency's responsibility to safe guard it.....so finger pointing on some agency is childish.....
 
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Uh? Sagem a French company, is now part of the Saffran group and their biometric business is called Saffran Morpho. Where does Israel and Mossad come into this?
 
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Did you read the article or you are just think thank without any thinking ability? It talks about RAW (Indian spy agency). See the below quote from the article.
yes I have read the article, but i think you should read it, and you need to sort out your comprehension issues....
All it says in the article is ; we should give benefit of doubt that ' a possibility exists' for Hostile agencies to snoop in on our data - it is 'not' accusing your Agency of any wrongdoing ---- we are merely putting up our Defenses thwart such attempt by hostile agency ---- standard Counter Intelligence / Counter Surveillance move
“We [the agency] can’t rule out the possibility of leakage of sensitive database [of Pakistanis] to hostile agencies – the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Mossad,” said a report prepared by the ISI.

A copy of the report available with The Express Tribune suggests that the doubt is based on the ground that “the thumb-digitiser system the registration body uses was purchased from a French company of Israeli origin.”
 
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yes I have read the article, but i think you should read it, and you need to sort out your comprehension issues....
All it says in the article is ; we should give benefit of doubt that ' a possibility exists' for Hostile agencies to snoop in on our data - it is 'not' accusing your Agency of any wrongdoing ---- we are merely putting up our Defenses thwart such attempt by hostile agency ---- standard Counter Intelligence / Counter Surveillance move
Blame others as usual for your owns reading and understanding capabilities. You started conversation with me by threatening a negative rating by bringing India into discussion where as in the article RAW is mentioned clearly. How come that is trolling? No matter if it is just apprehension or what. Yours is unwarranted threat of misuse of power of using negative rating as a tool to suppress voice. You are behaving like a typical power hungry politician breed of sub continent.
 
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Blame others as usual for your owns reading and understanding capabilities. You started conversation with me by threatening a negative rating by bringing India into discussion where as in the article RAW is mentioned clearly. How come that is trolling? No matter if it is just apprehension or what. Yours is unwarranted threat of misuse of power of using negative rating as a tool to suppress voice. You are behaving like a typical power hungry politician breed of sub continent.
This was not about India in a technical way. Raw was mentioned b/c it's an arch rival to our agencies like many other hostile countries intelligence agencies.
So stop being a jackass.
 
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Blame others as usual for your owns reading and understanding capabilities. You started conversation with me by threatening a negative rating by bringing India into discussion where as in the article RAW is mentioned clearly. How come that is trolling? No matter if it is just apprehension or what. Yours is unwarranted threat of misuse of power of using negative rating as a tool to suppress voice. You are behaving like a typical power hungry politician breed of sub continent.
Good!!! so that should sum it all up, lets keep it civilized and stay on topic, because all i can read in your most is about 'Myself' and 'My behavior' which to be honest, isn't the topic here to discuss.....
as far as my mere threat of rating is concerned than, all that post was, a reminder, to stay on track, or else as per rules set - a -Ve rating is due --- so do not waste my time with usual ranting in next post-----
 
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In NADRA kay bhain chodon ko ab khabar pohanchi rahi hai? Kutay kay bachay khareednay say pehley check nahin kar saktay thay? Kunjjar sallay, mulk dubbo diya hai in rundi ki auladon nain. Laanat in kay moo per. Dushmanon kay hath mein sari chabian de di hain in kunjjaron nain.
 
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