MQM Liberal and Enlightened

[W.11]

 

[FaujHistorian]

Any organization with 90% ethnic leaders and voters cannot be enlightened.

Unless you have an alternative definition of "enlightened"

peace

p.s.

And don't even bring up the subject of 400 forking thousands pounds found and taken away from the so called enlightened leader of the enlightened party.

 

[W.11]

Any organization with 90% ethnic leaders and voters cannot be enlightened.

farooq sattar MNA from memon community

rashid godel MNA from memon community

waseem akhter ex MNA from punjab community

nabeel gabol MNA from baloch community

nadia gabol ex MQM minister MPA from baloch comminity

heer soho MPA from sindhi community(woman reserved seat from thatta)

tahira asif MNA from punjab community Lahore(woman reserved seat)

Salman mujahid Baloch MNA from Baloch community

yusuf shehwani MPA from Baloch community

ashfaq mangi MPA from sindh community

waqar hussain shah MPA from hazara community

Muhammad Saleem Rajput MPA from PS1 sukkur from punjab community

azam shah MNA from gilgit baltistan

saleem butt MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

tahir khokhar MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

and this is after winning no seat from balochistan, punjab, hazara

 

[FaujHistorian]

farooq sattar MNA from memon community

rashid godel MNA from memon community

waseem akhter ex MNA from punjab community

nabeel gabol MNA from baloch community

nadia gabol ex MQM minister MPA from baloch comminity

heer soho MPA from sindhi community(woman reserved seat from thatta)

tahira asif MNA from punjab community Lahore(woman reserved seat)

Salman mujahid Baloch MNA from Baloch community

yusuf shehwani MPA from Baloch community

ashfaq mangi MPA from sindh community

waqar hussain shah MPA from hazara community

Muhammad Saleem Rajput MPA from PS1 sukkur from punjab community

azam shah MNA from gilgit baltistan

saleem butt MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

tahir khokhar MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

and this is after winning no seat from balochistan, punjab, hazara

Let's see if anyone of these can unseat Godfather.
Let's see who is next Imran Farooq in the mafia crime syndicate.

let's see.

 

[xyxmt]

farooq sattar MNA from memon community

rashid godel MNA from memon community

waseem akhter ex MNA from punjab community

nabeel gabol MNA from baloch community

nadia gabol ex MQM minister MPA from baloch comminity

heer soho MPA from sindhi community(woman reserved seat from thatta)

tahira asif MNA from punjab community Lahore(woman reserved seat)

Salman mujahid Baloch MNA from Baloch community

yusuf shehwani MPA from Baloch community

ashfaq mangi MPA from sindh community

waqar hussain shah MPA from hazara community

Muhammad Saleem Rajput MPA from PS1 sukkur from punjab community

azam shah MNA from gilgit baltistan

saleem butt MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

tahir khokhar MQM minister from azad kashmir from kashmir community

and this is after winning no seat from balochistan, punjab, hazara

you forgot Babar Ghori from Pushton Community

 

[Chronos]

Wait, you guys have Menons there too?

Oh wait, Memon. Oops :O

 

[AhsanAmin]

MQM, is a largely ethnic party and that was its initial identity, but it would be good to encourage their efforts to become a truly national party. Since it is large enough and is very popular among the most important city of our country, all of us welcome whatever efforts they make to become a national party.

However, I really do not like the party's total obedience of Altaf Hussain. No human is always right and wrong, so complete and absolute control by Altaf Hussain does seem problematic. Good thing is that since Altaf Hussain is an established leader, he is very careful about saying the right thing. However, his past and politically motivated killings do not reflect very well about the image of the party. We have seen how the murder of MQM leader who was trying to alienate himself from the party in UK, goes against the official party line.

It is great to be a national party but you can be an ethnic party within a democratic setup and still do good for the country but what Pakistanis in rest of the country really do not like, is that MQM does have armed wings to stifle voices against them in the large city, which encourage armed wings in other political parties.

If MQM is that liberal and enlightened, why do they not be honest and close their armed wings. They would still be free to do good work in Karachi, a city they largely control, and earn their goodwill by actually serving the people of Karachi.

 

[W.11]

MQM, is a largely ethnic party and that was its initial identity, but it would be good to encourage their efforts to become a truly national party. Since it is large enough and is very popular among the most important city of our country, all of us welcome whatever efforts they make to become a national party.

However, I really do not like the party's total obedience of Altaf Hussain. No human is always right and wrong, so complete and absolute control by Altaf Hussain does seem problematic. Good thing is that since Altaf Hussain is an established leader, he is very careful about saying the right thing. However, his past and politically motivated killings do not reflect very well about the image of the party. We have seen how the murder of MQM leader who was trying to alienate himself from the party in UK, goes against the official party line.

It is great to be a national party but you can be an ethnic party within a democratic setup and still do good for the country but what Pakistanis in rest of the country really do not like, is that MQM does have armed wings to stifle voices against them in the large city, which encourage armed wings in other political parties.

If MQM is that liberal and enlightened, why do they not be honest and close their armed wings. They would still be free to do good work in Karachi, a city they largely control, and earn their goodwill by actually serving the people of Karachi.

MQM is not totally controlled by altaf hussain, this is a very common false perception about MQM, the very latest example of the democratic setup of the party is the referendum conducted by MQM to join the Sindh government and it was done not only through out Sindh but through out the country even lahore

MQM's Referendum 2013
MQM's Referendum In Sukkur-2013
MQM's Referendum 2013-Shikarpur
MQM's Referendum In Mirpurkhas-2013
MQM's Referendum 2013-Tando Allahyar
MQM's Referendum 2013- Hyderabad

MQM is not ethnic party this is also a very common miss perception i have already given proof of that above

MQM doesn't control Karachi this is the third biggest miss perception, its the PPP which controls karachi through its appointed bureaucrats in the form of commissioners and administrators

the very latest example of PPP's hegemony in Karachi are the illegal delimitations and the sindh local government ordinance which has been termed as black law which is solely done to effect MQM's vote bank and influence in the city

 

[airmarshal]

Can someone please define 'liberal & enlightened' to me please? I m a jahil and dont know such difficult words.

 

[AhsanAmin]

@W.11, elections within the party you mentioned are really good and positive. I am sure Pakistanis everywhere would welcome that and would help the image of the party.

I do not want to go into debate whether it is an ethnic party or not, however we do want it to be a national party on the broader political landscape, and try to work for a better Pakistan. MQM trying to nominate candidates from all seats of NA, change of its name are really welcome steps for all of us.

This is also true that MQM does not appoint bureaucrats in the large city, but it has political control of most of the city. Why does MQM not leverage its political support in the city as a sole way to show the rest of the country that it is actually a great democratic power. What I mean to say is that, why do you not totally and honestly shun armed groups in Karachi. I see this one thing, as a real problem that damages the image of MQM everywhere. MQM might have a great agenda, might be spending money to improve infrastructure in Karachi, all these things pale before the horror of armed wings of the party and tarnishes its image forever. This one problem has to be addressed by the party to show its honesty. This is my honest suggestion as someone who wants more political powers in the country for a healthy competition between different parties.

 

[W.11]

@W.11, elections within the party you mentioned are really good and positive. I am sure Pakistanis everywhere would welcome that and would help the image of the party.

I do not want to go into debate whether it is an ethnic party or not, however we do want it to be a national party on the broader political landscape, and try to work for a better Pakistan. MQM trying to nominate candidates from all seats of NA, change of its name are really welcome steps for all of us.

This is also true that MQM does not appoint bureaucrats in the large city, but it has political control of most of the city. Why does MQM not leverage its political support in the city as a sole way to show the rest of the country that it is actually a great democratic power. What I mean to say is that, why do you not totally and honestly shun armed groups in Karachi. I see this one thing, as a real problem that damages the image of MQM everywhere. MQM might have a great agenda, might be spending money to improve infrastructure in Karachi, all these things pale before the horror of armed wings of the party and tarnishes its image forever. This one problem has to be addressed by the party to show its honesty.

well its not an initiative, referendums have existed in MQM since its very formation, every worker of MQM is very important and their opinions and not just the opinions of heads in taken to make important decision, and the referendums have been undertaken not only in karachi but through out country, in 2011 MQM made referendum on the events of abbottabad attacks

MQM has political control because of its political vote bank and mandate, people vote MQM and are influenced by it, but saying that MQM controls the city, you need to give me details about it because the very departments of karachi lke KMC, KWSB, KESC, PIA, steel mills, police, rangers etc etc are not controlled by MQM

the militancy in Karachi has existed long before MQM was formed here are some of the examples

in the basic democratic elections under ayub khan when fatema jinnah ran for presidential elections, the thugs were sent to karachi to suppress the political activities in karachi

first guns which were brought to university and college campuses were brought by jamaat islami militant wing, and then the PSF(people's student federation) student wing of PPP brought it, people were killed because of the clashes between the political groups inside university premises

here is the historical context of zulfeqar ali bhutto's armed militants who suppressed his oppositions, killing were becoming a normal affair during the 1970s

https://twitter.com/x/status/412667057709543424

and then afghanis who fled from afghan war started arriving in the 80s when they brought guns along with drugs inside karachi

in conclusion no political party in karachi can function without armed people

from 2002 till 2007 MQM had the interior ministry of sindh and the comparison of number of killings in MQM's era can be compared with pre and post MQM eras of 90s and 2000s

in 2008 when PPP came back as the ruler of sindh, it made zulfeqar mirza interior minister of sindh who was responsible for distributing 300,000 arms licenses to lyari gangsters

ethnic bigotry of zulfeqar mirza and ANP's shahi syed can be shown in the following videos

Racist ANP Pathan Terrorist Shahi Syed killer of Mohajirs - YouTube

Drunk PPP Leader Zulfiqar Mirza speaking against Mohajirs - YouTube

lyari gangsters started to create mess, before them, lyari was ruled by politcians, now the gangsters rule lyari and their MPAs and MNAs are in the parliament( sania naz of PPP is the member of people's aman committee and reknown drug peddler and relative of uzair baloch)

the PPP's lyari gangsters were joined by ANP who started political killings in Karachi

ANP was later joined by Talibans

abbas afirid which was arrested escaping abroad reveals he killed ethnic mohajirs by checking their ID cards

 

[AhsanAmin]

@W.11, I really agree with most of what you said in the previous post. However history of violence in Karachi, and violence by other parties does not really justify violent groups in MQM. Trust me, I am not here to find faults with MQM and create problems for it, I would want MQM to be a strong democratic party, like others, but would suggest that you work on this problem first since charity begins at home. Once MQM is violence free, you will have more authority in asserting yourself and asking other parties to shun politics of violence.

Yes of course, as you suggested, PPP must be asked to take similar actions and take militancy out of Politics.

 

[Pakistani E]

Now to put into practise its ideology of liberalism and enlightenment, MQM should introduce a bill in Pakistan to abolish all discriminatory laws in the constitution. Regardless if it gets accepted or not, I think this will send a great signal to the tolerant and open minded Pakistanis who are looking for a liberal alternative to the reactionary PTI.

 

[SQ8]

Wait, you guys have Menons there too?

Oh wait, Memon. Oops :O

we do have Menon's here as well.. few and far and mostly in medicine.

 

[Leader]

and ofcourse that mqm is a terrorist party !