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The humidity in the Azores is very high..damn sticky last time I went there.
It has to do with the Russian engines themselves and possible the jet fuel in use. Have seen quite a bit of flying in Azores by the Western Fighter aircraft including the Viper and the smoke is not noticeable.
Interestingly enough, a couple of PAF F-16s were at Lajes for a while as well. In and out, at least I did not see any visible smoke trail in the photos.
Take a look at the KC-10 and F-16 landings @ Lajes AB..no smoke..
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While a picture is worth a thousand words, here are some points. The vipers are cruising along, the MKI's don't smoke when cruising either.
The KC is landing - much lower speeds and thrust there.
The MKIs and tanker have just taken off, and they probably will be on higher thrust till they reach their cruise speed and desired altitude ( whatever that is).
Now the fuel - that's possible. The RD-33 series are all smoky in varying intensity. The MKIs don't use that engine.
I have seen "take-off smoke" on F-15s, F-16's, B-52 ( man do they smoke) at Carswell AFB ( now Naval Air Station), El Toro in California, and for sure at Miramor. Smoke is a result of many factors..
The KC is landing - much lower speeds and thrust there.
The MKIs and tanker have just taken off, and they probably will be on higher thrust till they reach their cruise speed and desired altitude ( whatever that is).
Now the fuel - that's possible. The RD-33 series are all smoky in varying intensity. The MKIs don't use that engine.
I have seen "take-off smoke" on F-15s, F-16's, B-52 ( man do they smoke) at Carswell AFB ( now Naval Air Station), El Toro in California, and for sure at Miramor. Smoke is a result of many factors..
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Also ran into this discussion on engine smoke in general.
F-16.net - Engine smoke. Where does the smoke come from?
F-16.net - Engine smoke. Where does the smoke come from?
a lot of assumptions by you. In any case, its a trivial matter. I am not discounting the fact that all engines smoke, however Russian engines tend to do so more.
The fact that Russian engines can handle more rough fuel (The SU25 cna fly on diesel/wodka or even vegetable oil!) means that the burning is not controlled to achieve perfection. The American engines are very strict in that. A bit wrong fuel and you end up with a dead engine. But then agian when it works you do get best results possible...
The Russian idea was that engine/planes/equipment need to be simple so everyone can handle it. When that means a little less perfection then so be it. Same goes for Kalashnikov. It is simple and good enoughfor warfare but you cannot fight medium range combat and expect to hit everything But when you get a hit then you can be sure that the person is down for good. Western weapons maybe better in acuracy but not suited for demanding environement and no maintenance. These weapons come and go (except H&K).
Let me write unrealistc explanation... The air around Las Vegas is extremey polluted (big car engines, hot environment). Even a mig29 with the old rd33 would look clean...
http://www.air-and-space.com/19991105%20red flag/mig-29 al.jpg
Welcom TJ.
p.s. The topic was just about that every plane emits dirt... Certainly if throttle changes...
http://www.air-and-space.com/19991105%20red flag/mig-29 al.jpg
Welcom TJ.
p.s. The topic was just about that every plane emits dirt... Certainly if throttle changes...
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