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‘Medicare for All’: The Impossible Dream There’s no plausible route from here to there.

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By David Brooks
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/medicare-for-all.html

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Medicare for All only works if politicians ruthlessly enforce spending cuts.CreditCreditAndrew Harrer/Bloomberg


The Brits and Canadians I know certainly love their single-payer health care systems. If one of their politicians suggested they should switch to the American health care model, they’d throw him out the window.

So single-payer health care, or in our case “Medicare for all,” is worth taking seriously. I’ve just never understood how we get from here to there, how we transition from our current system to the one Bernie Sanders has proposed and Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and others have endorsed.

Despite differences between individual proposals, the broad outlines of Medicare for all are easy to grasp. We’d take the money we’re spending on private health insurance and private health care, and we’d shift it over to the federal government through higher taxes in some form.

Then, since health care would be a public monopoly, the government could set prices and force health care providers to accept current Medicare payment rates. Medicare reimburses hospitals at 87 percent of costs while private insurance reimburses at 145 percent of costs. Charles Blahous, a former Social Security and Medicare public trustee, estimates that under the Sanders plan, the government could pay about 40 percent less than what private insurers now pay for treatments.

If this version of Medicare for all worked as planned, everybody would be insured, health care usage would rise sharply because it would be free, without even a co-payment, and America would spend less over all on health care.

It sounds good. But the trick is in the transition.

First, patients would have to transition. Right now, roughly 181 million Americans receive health insurance through employers. About 70 percent of these people say they are happy with their coverage. Proponents of Medicare for all are saying: We’re going to take away the insurance you have and are happy with, and we’re going to replace it with a new system you haven’t experienced yet because, trust us, we’re the federal government!

The insurance companies would have to transition. Lots of people work for and serve this industry. All-inclusive public health care would destroy this industry beyond recognition, and those people would have to find other work.

Hospitals would have to transition. In many small cities the local health care system is the biggest employer. As Reihan Salam points out in The Atlantic, the United States has far more fully stocked hospitals relative to its population and much lower bed occupancy than comparable European nations have.

If you live in a place where the health system is a big employer, think what happens when that sector takes a sudden, huge pay cut. The ripple effects would be immediate — like a small deindustrialization.



Doctors would have to transition. Salary losses would differ by specialty, but imagine you came out of med school saddled with debt and learn that your payments are going to be down by, say 30 percent. Similar shocks would ripple to other health care workers.

The American people would have to transition. Americans are more decentralized, diverse and individualistic than people in the nations with single-payer systems. They are more suspicious of centralized government and tend to dislike higher taxes.

The Sanders plan would increase federal spending by about $32.6 trillion over its first 10 years, according to a Mercatus Center study that Blahous led. Compare that with the Congressional Budget Office’s projection for the entire 2019 fiscal year budget, $4.4 trillion. That kind of sticker shock is why a plan for single-payer in Vermont collapsed in 2014 and why Colorado voters overwhelmingly rejected one in 2016. It’s why legislators in California killed one. In this plan, the taxes are upfront, the purported savings are down the line.

Once they learn that Medicare for all would eliminate private insurance and raise taxes, only 37 percent of Americans support it, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation survey. In 2010, Republicans scored an enormous electoral victory because voters feared that the government was taking over their health care, even though Obamacare really didn’t. Now, under Medicare for all, it really would. This seems like an excellent way to re-elect Donald Trump.

The government would also have to transition. Medicare for all works only if politicians ruthlessly enforce those spending cuts. But in our system of government, members of Congress are terrible at fiscal discipline. They are quick to cater to special interest groups, terrible at saying no. To make single-payer really work, we’d probably have to scrap the U.S. Congress and move to a more centralized parliamentary system.

Finally, patient expectations would have to transition. Today, getting a doctor’s appointment is annoying but not onerous. In Canada, the median wait time between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist is 8.7 weeks; between a G.P. referral and an orthopedic surgeon, it’s nine months. That would take some adjusting.

If America were a blank slate, Medicare for all would be a plausible policy, but we are not a blank slate. At this point, the easiest way to get to a single-payer system would probably be to go back to 1776 and undo that whole American Revolution thing.

David Brooks has been a columnist with The Times since 2003. He is the author of “The Road to Character” and the forthcoming book, “The Second Mountain.”
 
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God gave you a life. But God doesn't give you a living. To live, you have to struggle to make ends meet. That includes medicare. Stop saying "medicare for all". The true meaning behind this phrase is "free medicare for me!".
 
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God gave you a life. But God doesn't give you a living. To live, you have to struggle to make ends meet. That includes medicare. Stop saying "medicare for all". The true meaning behind this phrase is "free medicare for me!".
Everyone pays as much as they can, like a national insurance for health , and you use it when you must. Those unable to afford to pay must have it free, because even if they didn't pay for it then their parents must have paid for it.
 
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Everyone pays as much as they can, like a national insurance for health , and you use it when you must. Those unable to afford to pay must have it free, because even if they didn't pay for it then their parents must have paid for it.

"you use it when you must"
how does medically illiterate patient know ?
 
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Everyone pays as much as they can, like a national insurance for health , and you use it when you must. Those unable to afford to pay must have it free, because even if they didn't pay for it then their parents must have paid for it.
What if their parents didn't pay for it? What if even their parents of parents didn't pay for it? Or what if their ancestors paid for it but those ancestors have also used it up? If you have to pay attention to credit accounting, at least do it in an accurate way.

It is OK for people who are in medical emergency to get the aid for free. But getting it is NOT THEIR RIGHT. It is based on good will of other people who actually pay for it. If that good will is dried up, nobody gets it for free.

I have no problem with philanthropy. I have a BIG problem with FORCED philanthropy.
 
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We manage free health care in the UK.
It is paid for by taxpayers. Are you one of them? If so, please don't delude yourself to claim it is "free" health care. If not, go get a job and don't be a leech.
 
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It is paid for by taxpayers. Are you one of them? If so, please don't delude yourself to claim it is "free" health care. If not, go get a job and don't be a leech.

I'm a higher rate tax payer. My healthcare is free. So is everyone else's. Our taxes are spent on making sure people in our country are healthy.

If America was not so greedy. You'd spend your taxes on healthcare too.
 
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I'm a higher rate tax payer. My healthcare is free. So is everyone else's. Our taxes are spent on making sure people in our country are healthy.

If America was not so greedy. You'd spend your taxes on healthcare too.
Then it is not free. You have paid for it. Why would you call something you have paid for to be free? Do you call your recently purchased grocery free grocery? Your tax is the money you have earned and surrendered to the government at gun point. Maybe you just got fooled by British government to think your tax is really their money in the first place. In US, people are less delusional than that, though they are heading towards European way of thinking, too.
 
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Then it is not free. You have paid for it. Why would you call something you have paid for to be free? Do you call your recently purchased grocery free grocery? Your tax is the money you have earned and surrendered to the government at gun point. Maybe you just got fooled by British government to think your tax is really their money in the first place. In US, people are less delusional than that, though they are heading towards European way of thinking, too.

My tax will be paid either way. I'd rather it be spent helping humans rather than destroying them. The USA is the richest country in the world. You pay tax, you benefit from how it is spent. If you all pay a bit more you can benefit from that. Alternatively ask your government to spend it wiser.

Under the British system a poor person can get the same treatment the Queen does.
 
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My tax will be paid either way. I'd rather it be spent helping humans rather than destroying them. The USA is the richest country in the world. You pay tax, you benefit from how it is spent. If you all pay a bit more you can benefit from that. Alternatively ask your government to spend it wiser.

Under the British system a poor person can get the same treatment the Queen does.
If 30% of your income is paid as tax, why not pay 60% of it? What is stopping you? Or, what stop at 30%? Why not voluntarily pay 1% more or 2% or 5%? Ain't helping humans honorable? Why cannot your good heart make you pay more taxes?

Oh, by the way, I am a Canadian. Canada's health system is similar to UK's. We have a big problem of long waiting period for surgery. It just softens my anguish to know that UK has even longer waiting period. So much for the work of your tax money. Shouldn't you pay more of it? :)
 
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If 30% of your income is paid as tax, why not pay 60% of it? What is stopping you? Or, what stop at 30%? Why not voluntarily pay 1% more or 2% or 5%? Ain't helping humans honorable? Why cannot your good heart make you pay more taxes?

Oh, by the way, I am a Canadian. Canada's health system is similar to UK's. We have a big problem of long waiting period for surgery. It just softens my anguish to know that UK has even longer waiting period. So much for the work of your tax money. Shouldn't you pay more of it? :)

Waiting times vary from area to area and depend on urgency of treatment. My family and I have received world class healthcare whenever it was required.

If paying 60% of my salary as tax meant I got free transportation, free energy, subsidised housing - it'd be worth it. It all depends on value for money. There will always be a balance between tax paid and the return you get for it.

As a Muslim I put humanity ahead of wealth. I'd rather pay the tax and know I contribute towards a society where nobody is ill because they can't afford medicine. I have cousins in Sweden and Norway who pay more tax than I do, those societies provide more and are generally happier.

Do you feel you get value for money on your tax contribution? Because at the end of the day, that's what matters.
 
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