ISIS attack: American doctor Is Shot and Wounded in Pakistan

[SipahSalar]

American Is Shot and Wounded in Pakistan - WSJ

KARACHI, Pakistan—Gunmen shot and seriously wounded an American woman in Karachi, police said, leaving behind leaflets in which they claimed to be members of Islamic State.

Four attackers on motorcycles opened fire at the woman on Thursday as she was leaving the Jinnah Medical and Dental College, where she is a member of the administration and the faculty, police said.

Doctors described the woman’s condition as “serious but out of danger.”

Leaflets in English and Urdu, printed on white paper, were left by the attackers at the scene, police said. The leaflets identified the attackers as “the Lions of Daulah Al-Islamiyyah [Islamic State], the Falcons of our Caliph.” The leaflets didn’t bear any logos or names.

“We shall lie in wait until we ambush you and kill you wherever you may be until we confine and besiege you in America and then God willing we will burn America!” the leaflets said. Thursday’s shooting was in retaliation for the killings of five fellow militants in Karachi, the leaflets said.

“This is the first time I have seen such an attack being clearly claimed by Islamic State in Karachi,” said Raja Umar Khattab, chief of the Karachi police’s counterterrorism department. “It’s a new development, but the militants involved here have probably broken away” from other groups entrenched in Pakistan, he said.

Pakistani security officials say al Qaeda and affiliated militant groups such as the Pakistani Taliban are active in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city and business capital. The city has been plagued by political, ethnic and sectarian violence for decades, but the government says violence has gone down since the launch of a citywide law-enforcement operation designed to crack down on violent groups and criminals in September 2013.

Pakistani officials have acknowledged Islamic State threat in the region but have said the group doesn’t have a presence in Pakistan. Pro-Islamic State graffiti has been seen in recent months in some parts of Pakistan, including Karachi, but officials say sympathizers, not active members, are likely responsible for it. In January, a group of Pakistani and Afghan militants announced the formation of an official Islamic State chapter in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said it was aware of reports that a U.S. citizen had been shot and injured in Karachi. “Our U.S. Consulate General in Karachi is in close contact with Pakistani authorities and is working to obtain more information,” an embassy representative said.

 

[That Guy]

Those responsible have shown their loyalty. They should be charged with treason and handled as such.

 

[SipahSalar]

Those responsible have shown their loyalty. They should be charged with treason and handled as such.

Yes, and then the SC can step in to protect the "mazloom" khawarij.

 

[That Guy]

Yes, and then the SC can step in to protect the "mazloom" khawarij.

The SC is simply doing what it must. We cannot fault them for making sure that the judiciary's authority isn't undermined. The last thing you want is a worthless judiciary that can simply be ignored.

Military courts were set up far too quickly, and without any real oversight. So far, that hasn't been a major problem, but that doesn't mean it can't become a problem in the future. They're a direct challenge to the civilian courts, and need some sort of watch dog making sure they're not abused.

 

[SipahSalar]

The SC is simply doing what it must. We cannot fault them for making sure that the judiciary's authority isn't undermined. The last thing you want is a worthless judiciary that can simply be ignored.

Military courts were set up far too quickly, and without any real oversight. So far, that hasn't been a major problem, but that doesn't mean it can't become a problem in the future. They're a direct challenge to the civilian courts, and need some sort of watch dog making sure they're not abused.

Two things:
1. The military courts will only handle terrorism cases so they are no threat to anyone except TTP-sympathisers.
2. Civil courts have failed to do what they were set up for. One call from a mullah somewhere in FATA and they release terrorists with a pat on the back so they can kill more Pakistanis. But when it comes to protecting the rights of these monsters, they become chest thumping champions of judiciary.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Seems to be a little old lady. Vice Principal of some medical school.

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[انگریز]

Funny part is "they left leaflets".
Now that the bogeyman of Al qaeda is gone because obama wanted election victory by portraying himself killer of osams. Western intelligence agencies are working hard to create new bogeyman ISIS and look stupid.

 

[SipahSalar]

Seems to be a little old lady. Vice Principal of some medical school.

She was playing a very positive role in the society, fortunately her condition is serious but out of danger.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Very sad and senseless!! Let's pray the perpetrators are found quickly.

 

[That Guy]

Two things:
1. The military courts will only handle terrorism cases so they are no threat to anyone except TTP-sympathisers.

Sure, but that's not the problem. They're could very well be misused for political reasons, which is the problem.

2. Civil courts have failed to do what they were set up for. One call from a mullah somewhere in FATA and they release terrorists with a pat on the back so they can kill more Pakistanis. But when it comes to protecting the rights of these monsters, they become chest thumping champions of judiciary.

That's just emotions talking, we both know that isn't true. Civil courts, unlike military courts, are following the law to the last letter. Military courts don't have to worry as much, and can simply take some liberties. Pakistan isn't the only one that has had this happen. In the US, when a Guantanamo bay inmate was put on trial in a civilian court, most of the charges were dropped instantly, and a lot of the evidence was thrown out, because a civilian court is bound completely by the law and constitution.

We cannot blame the civilian courts for doing their job. Justice and rule of law means that sometimes courts have to make decisions that a majority may absolutely hate, but it must be done if rule of law is to prevail, to do anything less would mean becoming another Somalia? No one wants to be Somalia, not even Somalia.

The ones to blame are the government who're slow to take action, and implement judicial reform. Half the problems Pakistan's judiciary and security apparatus face is a direct result of a lack of reform from the government and parliament, otherwise, the Lal Masjid Mullah would be in jail, and the Lakhvi case would probably be near completion.

 

[baqai]

i have been her student, very VERY nice person, sad news she had to go through this BS

 

[SipahSalar]

Civil courts, unlike military courts, are following the law to the last letter. Military courts don't have to worry as much, and can simply take some liberties.

That's clearly a misconception based on lack of knowledge about how the military law works. Military courts have to follow law as much as civil courts. They have their own written law, and they have their own branch that handles military law. It's called Judge Advocate General's Branch. There are several officers employed in the branch who are all well versed in the law. And they follow the law as much as the civil courts. Probably more so since they can't be intimidated. You might know them from the popular show JAG.
Judge Advocate General Branch (Pakistan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A civilian hears military courts, they think it will be some random officer with no knowledge about how courts work, making decisions at random.

US, when a Guantanamo bay inmate was put on trial in a civilian court, most of the charges were dropped instantly, and a lot of the evidence was thrown out, because a civilian court is bound completely by the law and constitution.

That's a poor way to prove that a court was not following law. US courts, or for that matter even Pakistani courts often make decisions that are opposite to a different judge's decision. Does that mean one of them was not following law?
One US court judge said NSA spying was illegal, another said legal, does that mean the illegal ruling was wrong?

Justice and rule of law means that sometimes courts have to make decisions that a majority may absolutely hate,

Judiciary is there to protect the constitution. Who writes the constitution? The government. Who brings the government? The people. Since NAP was passed in parliament, the judiciary has no right to overrule their decision. What you are suggesting makes judiciary an over-glorified dictatorship.

 

[That Guy]

That's clearly a misconception based on lack of knowledge about how the military law works. Military courts have to follow law as much as civil courts. They have their own written law, and they have their own branch that handles military law. It's called Judge Advocate General's Corps. There are several officers employed in the branch who are all well versed in the law. And they follow the law as much as the civil courts. Probably more so since they can't be intimidated.
A civilian hears military courts, they think it will be some random officer with no knowledge about how courts work, making decisions at random.

Except in this case, the military courts set up are using unconventional methods, using secret evidence to convict terrorists. Military law only affect PoWs, court martials, and other military related cases. Terrorism are stateless and hold no allegiance to any a particular country. Pakistani (and indeed most international military) military laws don't have the proper code to conduct sessions on such cases. For example, the US had to build entirely rules to convict terrorists, calling them "illegal combatants".

That's a poor way to prove that a court was not following law. US courts, or for that matter even Pakistani courts often make decisions that are opposite to a different judge's decision. Does that mean one of them was not following law?
One US court judge said NSA spying was illegal, another said legal, does that mean the illegal ruling was wrong?

I didn't say anywhere that the civilian court wasn't following the law, rather I said the complete opposite. Laws can be interpreted differently, each according to the judge, and once a precedent is set, following cases using the precedent to make their judgements. If two courts differ in opinion, it goes to a higher court to make the final judgement, that's why different levels of courts exist (high court, supreme court, appeals court...etc, etc).

Judiciary is there to protect the constitution. Who writes the constitution? The government. Who brings the government? The people. Since NAP was passed in parliament, the judiciary has no right to overrule their decision. What you are suggesting makes judiciary an over-glorified dictatorship.

That is where you're completely wrong. The judiciary has every right to overrule the decision, as the supreme court is the highest court in the country, thus has every right to intervene. Judicial matters in the country (any and all, including military cases) are ultimately under the supreme court's jurisdiction. If it wasn't, then the supreme court would have no reason to exist.

Now comes the issue of the judiciary being a pseudo-dictatorship. Ultimately, even the judiciary has watchdogs that keep an eye on it, and it must answer to the parliament, if it takes a step too far out of it's bounds. There are safe guards to make sure the judiciary doesn't end up crossing the line.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Paksanity]

Seems to be a little old lady. Vice Principal of some medical school.

Vice-principal of medical college Debra Lobo shot in Karachi, condition critical | The News Teller

From the reaction of her students, she was really popular and respected. They really love her.

I am ashamed and appalled at this sheer sickness. She was a senior doctor working to contribute in development of Pakistani society! Goes to show utter lack of regard for humanity by these people.

 

[Thorough Pro]

RIP to the doctor and scums should be caught, tried in ATC and hanged asap.