Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

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Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

According to a high-ranking Russian naval official, the combat potential of a US naval group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz is more powerful than the Iranian Navy and coastal forces in the region.
“The Iranian Navy's combat resources are incomparable with the potential of the US aircraft carrier group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz and are incapable of opposing it. No, certainly no," Deputy Navy Commander Adm. Ivan Kapitanets told Interfax on Thursday.
The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis and escort ships have entered the area of an Iranian naval exercise east of the Strait of Hormuz.
Kapitanets said the US naval force would “smash” the Iranian coastal installations.
“The Iranian Navy is coastal and can protect the country's interests in the coastal waters. As for the Americans, they have full-scale oceanic naval forces,” the Russian naval commander said. “Therefore, there can be no comparison here. An aircraft carrier with its deck fighters and escort ships can smash Iranian coastal installations and surface ships.”
The Iranian naval commander disagrees.
Seyyed Mahmoud Musavi, the Iranian Navy’s deputy commander for operations, said that the Iranian Navy was ready to confront foreign naval groups that could enter the area of its military exercises, where it is holding maneuvers.
Despite the tense situation and militant rhetoric on both sides, Kapitanets believes both sides will show restraint.
"The US's actions are certainly provocative, but the matter is unlikely to go as far as direct military confrontation,” he said. “Certainly, the situation in the region is very complicated, but it is unlikely to grow into military actions.”
The Iranians say the exercises are within the norms of international law and should be respected.
"We are ready to confront the violators who disregard the security perimeters set for the drills in line with international law," Musavi said.

Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official — RT

 

[saiyan0321]

yeah but do you really think if the entire might of usa fight against the navy you will win? usa is really powerful and expect coalition support too what do you think

 

[IranZamin]

^^ this has been discussed many times my friend. to put it very short for you. We Iranians have no intention to go and invade countries left and right. But when we are under threat and danger in our own region we are sure to make a nightmare for our enemies

 

[Splurgenxs]

Well ..all i have to say is ...duhh..
although i do not ike so much power being in a single country's hands expect my own(so do we all)...but realities are realities..

think of a way around it not through it

 

[joekrish]

^^^ The question is where does your navy stand in front of the US battle group and seriously you don't stand a chance.

 

[RazPaK]

They are not going to be doing naval battles in the Pacific. But If US tries to mess with Iran around the coast or especially straight of Hormuz, the Iranians are perfectly capable of giving them a black eye and a bloody nose.

I don't know if you guys remember the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, but it was a speedboat laden with explosives. Iran is believed to have thousands of these speedboats, and would be capable of doing a huge amount of damage to any aggressors.

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Tech freak Americans can annihilate almost all of the Naval powers of the world on any day.Iran doesn't stand chance even if their aerial power as well as naval power operate simultaneously.

 

[T90TankGuy]

yeah like we needed some one to tell us that

 

[LeGenD]

They are not going to be doing naval battles in the Pacific. But If US tries to mess with Iran around the coast or especially straight of Hormuz, the Iranians are perfectly capable of giving them a black eye and a bloody nose.

I don't know if you guys remember the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, but it was a speedboat laden with explosives. Iran is believed to have thousands of these speedboats, and would be capable of doing a huge amount of damage to any aggressors.

Bro, seriously?

Read this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/permalink/the_filipino_monkey

These videos have been fabricated. Even Iranian sources accept this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/world/middleeast/10iran.html

If speedboats are highly effective weapons for naval confrontations then who needs submarines, destroyers and other larger combat vessels?

Don't get fooled by isolated incidents like that of USS Cole.

In a war based scenario, naval vessels are on high alert and do not let other vessels get too close to them.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

* Navy.

US have the strongest NAVY in the World, however its vulnerable to swarm attack, as shown in Millennium Challenge 2002, when most of US Navy was destroyed in an exercise: Millennium Challenge 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US is trying to address swarm issue with Mk 38 Mod 2 machine gun (reliable up to 2,5 km, when target moves as predicted) and helicopters Hellfire (in the future might include Rayguns, etc).

Several issues with this defense - speedboats dont even have to come close, Iran's anti-ship missiles have 15-300 km range, up to 2000 km if we include Sejjil and other ballistic missiles (Iran recently successfully tested 2 such missiles hitting targets at 1900+km range in Indian ocean). Hit and run swarm strategy by hundreds of missile boats should still be very effective, plus specifically against US helicopters Iran developed new missiles as well.

US Navy defense against missiles:

Remember how a single 1st generation Iranian Kowsar did major damage and almost sunk the best Israel 5-Class corvette? Israel said their defense was down, and regardless if we believe them or not, consider the fact Iran has thousands of 3rd generation Kowsar's, and its the weakest anti-ship missile in Iran disposal!

US would use their most advanced AEGIS ABM with SM-3, in controlled tests it has success rate 80+% (1-2 missiles at the same time). If there are more missiles - intercept accuracy significantly drops, and after ~13 tries to intercept missiles, ships run out of initial battery and becomes exposed.

US Naval War college estimates:

"The U.S. Navy’s Targeting Problem. The Navy would almost certainly fire two ABMs (AEGIS SM-3) against each of the incoming ASBMs. Doing so would of course increase the probability of a successful intercept. However, with only twenty-four or twenty-five ABMs aboard, each Aegis ship escorting a carrier would at that rate be able to engage at most thirteen ASBMs."

"the fact that many kinds of penetration aids are quite cheap relative to ABMs is one reason why the United States cannot “buy its way out” of this problem."

Iran strategy:

simultaneous attack of wide range missiles, speedboats, subs, etc. 30-50 various missiles per warship plus decoys ("Persian Gulf", Ghader, Qiam, Kowsar, Nasr, Noor, Raad, Fajre Darya, underwater Supercavitation torpedo Hoot, various other torpedoes, mines, etc), and no US warship can survive that, maybe except aircraft carriers. For those Iran might use several more ballistic missiles (or not - if intention isnt to sink but to disable them - who needs sunken carriers with nuclear reactors in the backyard waters? ;-)

Bottom line: US Navy will keep out of Persian Gulf if the war starts, unless they want to provide high-tech houses for the local coral reef ;-) Most likely Navy would stay at reasonably safe 2000+ km distance. This would limit their contribution, but its better than a sunken fleet.

 

[applesauce]

if it really came down to war the US task forces doesnt even need to get too close to Iranian shores, iraq and afganistan would act as routes into iran. the navy can sit back and launch long range attack against ports and missile units, base some B-2's and F-22's in Iraq and pummel the defences from the air. those numerous speedboats dont work so well in open ocean. in addition i think 2000km is not reasonable at all, no Iranian weapon can reach 2000km and be a game changer

 

[LeGenD]

* Navy.

US have the strongest NAVY in the World, however its vulnerable to swarm attack, as shown in Millennium Challenge 2002, when most of US Navy was destroyed in an exercise: Millennium Challenge 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US is trying to address swarm issue with Mk 38 Mod 2 machine gun (reliable up to 2,5 km, when target moves as predicted) and helicopters Hellfire (in the future might include Rayguns, etc).

Several issues with this defense - speedboats dont even have to come close, Iran's anti-ship missiles have 15-300 km range, up to 2000 km if we include Sejjil and other ballistic missiles (Iran recently successfully tested 2 such missiles hitting targets at 1900+km range in Indian ocean). Hit and run swarm strategy by hundreds of missile boats should still be very effective, plus specifically against US helicopters Iran developed new missiles as well.

US Navy defense against missiles:

Remember how a single 1st generation Iranian Kowsar did major damage and almost sunk the best Israel 5-Class corvette? Israel said their defense was down, and regardless if we believe them or not, consider the fact Iran has thousands of 3rd generation Kowsar's, and its the weakest anti-ship missile in Iran disposal!

US would use their most advanced AEGIS ABM with SM-3, in controlled tests it has success rate 80+% (1-2 missiles at the same time). If there are more missiles - intercept accuracy significantly drops, and after ~13 tries to intercept missiles, ships run out of initial battery and becomes exposed.

US Naval War college estimates:

"The U.S. Navy’s Targeting Problem. The Navy would almost certainly fire two ABMs (AEGIS SM-3) against each of the incoming ASBMs. Doing so would of course increase the probability of a successful intercept. However, with only twenty-four or twenty-five ABMs aboard, each Aegis ship escorting a carrier would at that rate be able to engage at most thirteen ASBMs."

"the fact that many kinds of penetration aids are quite cheap relative to ABMs is one reason why the United States cannot “buy its way out” of this problem."

Iran strategy:

simultaneous attack of wide range missiles, speedboats, subs, etc. 30-50 various missiles per warship plus decoys ("Persian Gulf", Ghader, Qiam, Kowsar, Nasr, Noor, Raad, Fajre Darya, underwater Supercavitation torpedo Hoot, various other torpedoes, mines, etc), and no US warship can survive that, maybe except aircraft carriers. For those Iran might use several more ballistic missiles (or not - if intention isnt to sink but to disable them - who needs sunken carriers with nuclear reactors in the backyard waters? ;-)

Bottom line: US Navy will keep out of Persian Gulf if the war starts, unless they want to provide high-tech houses for the local coral reef ;-) Most likely Navy would stay at reasonably safe 2000+ km distance. This would limit their contribution, but its better than a sunken fleet.

This is a one-sided analysis. All you have done is paint a favorable picture of capabilities of Iran while ignoring the capabilities of USA.

You think that USA does not have long range weapons and surveillance systems in place?

Not to forget that USA has a fleet of naval combat aircraft which will wreak havok on incoming Iranian vessels.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

This is a one-sided analysis. All you have done is paint a favorable picture of capabilities of Iran while ignoring the capabilities of USA.

You think that USA does not have long range weapons and surveillance systems in place?

Not to forget that USA has a fleet of naval combat aircraft which will wreak havok on incoming Iranian vessels.

Its a realistic picture basing on the knowledge of both sides. Your point however is not based on anything. If you want constructive discussion, add something to it, "US rocks, Iran sucks" doesnt fly with me, sorry.

 

[TheJewverine]

They are not going to be doing naval battles in the Pacific. But If US tries to mess with Iran around the coast or especially straight of Hormuz, the Iranians are perfectly capable of giving them a black eye and a bloody nose.


I don't know if you guys remember the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, but it was a speedboat laden with explosives. Iran is believed to have thousands of these speedboats, and would be capable of doing a huge amount of damage to any aggressors.

You post two fake videos and then bring up the USS Cole incident? Do you even know what happened there? Terrorists on a speedboat laden with explosives drove into the side of the USS Cole which was at a dock for repairs i.e. not in a combative situation which is the only reason that speedboat got anywhere near the ship. If you are going to post up, make sure you know what you are talking about before you make your self look ignorant.

 

[888jamie888]

Its a realistic picture basing on the knowledge of both sides. Your point however is not based on anything. If you want constructive discussion, add something to it, "US rocks, Iran sucks" doesnt fly with me, sorry.

Is that not why such exercises are carried out?? The US found a weakness and has now probably solved it.