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India's growth numbers are a total mystery - Feb. 9, 2015


Is India's economy red hot or merely trundling along?
The truth is that it's very difficult to say. The country's gross domestic product statistics are a veritable mystery at the moment, muddled by major changes in how economic growth is calculated in Asia's third-largest economy.

Last month, India's government statisticians changed the base year used to calculate national accounts, and made adjustments to better reflect manufacturing activity. Overnight, GDP growth in fiscal year 2014 was upgraded from 4.7% to 6.9%.

The dramatic revisions upended the prevailing narrative, which portrayed India's economy as one that was struggling to gain real traction, even if it was headed in the right direction following the election of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

With the changes, India's economy was suddenly putting up growth numbers that put it within spitting distance of China.

The latest data using the new method, released Monday, show that GDP grew by 7.5% in the quarter ended December, and a whopping 8.2% the previous quarter -- the second of India's fiscal year.

An early forecast puts fiscal year 2015 growth at 7.4%. That would be bang in line with China's most recent annual growth rate.

Analysts say it's too early to draw major conclusions based on the new data. Many contend that the new growth numbers do not square with evidence of continued weakness.

"But the big story is that new data continue to create confusion," wrote Shilan Shah of Capital Economics. "The key point is that these numbers are inconsistent with a number of indicators that point to a slowdown in the economy for much of the past three years, and continued slack more recently."

Related: India to overtake China as world's fastest growing large economy

Even Arvind Subramanian, the chief economic adviser to the Indian government, is taking a wait and see approach.

"I am puzzled by the new GDP growth numbers," he told the Business Standard last week. "Please don't get me wrong. I am not saying these estimates are wrong in any way, only that these bear further scrutiny."

Confusion over official statistics is unlikely to dampen enthusiasm in India. Modi's new government has gone to great lengths to build a consensus around economic reforms since gaining power in May's parliamentary elections.

The prime minster has promised to end policy paralysis, reduce inflation and tackle corruption. He also pledged to establish manufacturing hubs and industrial corridors, and improve the tax code.

Many of the big ticket reforms haven't been put to the test yet. That will likely happen after the government unveils its budget at the end of this month.
 
Yes i know. I came upon it long time back but avoided posting,


but its 9 fen 2015.this year

My main aim was to show how indian modi gov is fudging gdp figures

well it's possible. But frankly think about it. A revision is something which works only once. To deliver year on year growth will definitely require tangible outputs which cannot be faked by "revisions". So even if the temporary bloating of value is taken as true, coming yearly/quarterly values will prove/disprove this question automatically.
 
well it's possible. But frankly think about it. A revision is something which works only once. To deliver year on year growth will definitely require tangible outputs which cannot be faked by "revisions". So even if the temporary bloating of value is taken as true, coming yearly/quarterly values will prove/disprove this question automatically.
Farmer suicides are showing but ppl are still buying these figures.

See its possible to continue doctoring the figures whilst internally not performing well.

What is shocking is that imf intentionally overlooked this , and despite knowing these facts which i believe they fully know ,gave positive economic forecasts etc.

I honestly was disappointed in imf.

And secondly, it isnt too hard to keep projecting positive outlook ,keep fudging figures, whilst internally growing poorly, because at the end of the day who is going to come to ur country and physically go around inspecting stuff.

In this age perceptions are more built and controlled thru media and indian gov knows how to use hers to her advantage ,has been doing that for ages.
 
Farmer suicides are showing but ppl are still buying these figures.

See its possible to continue doctoring the figures whilst internally not performing well.

What is shocking is that imf intentionally overlooked this , and despite knowing these facts which i believe they fully know ,gave positive economic forecasts etc.

I honestly was disappointed in imf.

And secondly, it isnt too hard to keep projecting positive outlook ,keep fudging figures, whilst internally growing poorly, because at the end of the day who is going to come to ur country and physically go around inspecting stuff.

In this age perceptions are more built and controlled thru media and indian gov knows how to use hers to her advantage ,has been doing that for ages.

Actually IMF never double checks the values which the countries are supposed to provide. But what it does is analyze certain economic measures which are decently difficult to screw around with and comment on GDP nos from that perspective.
 
Imf has recently visited india yo "understand the new method". Dont know wht was the result.
 
Actually IMF never double checks the values which the countries are supposed to provide. But what it does is analyze certain economic measures which are decently difficult to screw around with and comment on GDP nos from that perspective.
Providence but these imf ,wb chiefs visit the countries andrecently ,the imf chief or secretary some senior official, she had visited india.

Dont know then how imf chose to look other way. As in they do ther calculations and analysis too before providing forecasts, i think they do look at ur base years and ur economic conceptual framework, now this base year and conceptual frameworks have been changed by modi to show the ppl that he is doing well, economy is booming. Tho honestly ur make in india project hasnt taken off yet.

Dont know but imf either didnt go in such detail, tho doesnt look possible, or it just shows imf's own dishonestyy and low work ethics, and also shows how imf,wb forecasts could be based on amd shadowed by usa foreign policy of pleasing india.
 
Providence but these imf ,wb chiefs visit the countries andrecently ,the imf chief or secretary some senior official, she had visited india.

Dont know then how imf chose to look other way. As in they do ther calculations and analysis too before providing forecasts, i think they do look at ur base years and ur economic conceptual framework, now this base year and conceptual frameworks have been changed by modi to show the ppl that he is doing well, economy is booming. Tho honestly ur make in india project hasnt taken off yet.

Dont know but imf either didnt go in such detail, tho doesnt look possible, or it just shows imf's own dishonestyy and low work ethics, and also shows how imf,wb forecasts could be based on amd shadowed by usa foreign policy of pleasing india.

About IMF work ethics, IMF is not a silo'd org. They are formed of bureaucrats and finance/bank officials from different countries and teams keeps shuffling. So there is no focused dishonesty which can be shown. True certain countries had historically had higher share in IMF and do enjoy a certain pull but that is mostly about broad policy matters and not on selective number fudging. I am sure in coming 1/2 years things will be clear.

Retrospectively seen, the revised numbers are astonishing considering that the prev govt performed badly on economic front and was virtually wiped out in the elections.

Bottomline ? sit tight unless you are working in an investment bank !
 
A Feb 9 article ? :coffee:



Ignore it bro.The OPs nations is running on aid platform given by your nation.
In such circumstances jealousy is a usual phenomena.
On topic:This topic is dicussed several times.All they did was to more inclusive on international standard .Means more datas are included.
But ythat doesnt mean entire Indians become rich.

Farmer suicides are showing but ppl are still buying these figures.

See its possible to continue doctoring the figures whilst internally not performing well.

What is shocking is that imf intentionally overlooked this , and despite knowing these facts which i believe they fully know ,gave positive economic forecasts etc.

I honestly was disappointed in imf.

And secondly, it isnt too hard to keep projecting positive outlook ,keep fudging figures, whilst internally growing poorly, because at the end of the day who is going to come to ur country and physically go around inspecting stuff.

In this age perceptions are more built and controlled thru media and indian gov knows how to use hers to her advantage ,has been doing that for ages.



Ya right . Farmers that facing sudden natural calamities would face a total destruction in their farm and perhaps might took extreme step for that.
But here we have chigh IQ members that connect sudden natural outbrust and farmer suicides with GDP calculation.Terrific.
What an astounding knowledge in economics .:wacko:
 
such butthurt is not good for health.This topic has been discussed and debunked countless times on this forum.
 
Even if you dont trust these numbers look at other parameters that dont lie i.e Electricity generation or cars/vehicles sold.
 
Ya right . Farmers that facing sudden natural calamities would face a total destruction in their farm and perhaps might took extreme step for that.
But here we have chigh IQ members that connect sudden natural outbrust and farmer suicides with GDP calculation.Terrific.
What an astounding knowledge in economics .:wacko:
Do u know what terrific means. Yes what isaid was terrific.

such butthurt is not good for health.This topic has been discussed and debunked countless times on this forum.
So blind as usual. The article is above,u are denying it, ostrich syndrome.
 
What is shocking is that imf intentionally overlooked this , and despite knowing these facts which i believe they fully know ,gave positive economic forecasts etc.

IMF does not take orders from India shamain ji, I wish it was true but that is not the case. IMF will gain nothing by giving fake ratings to India.
 
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