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Some Western countries say India is a secular state where democracy prevails. But realities on the ground belie the claim. Democracy, as American president Abraham Lincoln interpreted, stands for government of the people, by the people and for the people. It means an administrative set-up determined to provide economic justice to and work for the common man’s welfare. That is what one ought to bear in mind while assessing socio-economic progress of a country—India or Pakistan. So, let us see from this angle things happening in various parts of India and Jammu and Kashmir occupied by her at gun-point in violation of all norms of democracy and human rights and resolutions of the United Nations.

Poverty has spread its tentacles in India over the years. Any keen-sighted visitor to India with human heart and broad mind will return home disappointed and depressed with prayer for the Indian farmers compelled to sell their wives and daughters under financial burden. According to CNN-IBN reports, the situation is horrific in the Uttar Pradesh where peasants of Bandelkhand feel their survival is at stake. The farmers, pressed hard by drought, blame their shocking social condition and economic misery on the inefficiency of the government to rescue their families. The woman trade is being carried on ‘legally’ under cover of a stamp paper. The farmers reduced to penury have no alternative but offer female members of their families for sale to settle account with the money lenders. How democratic an exploitation in India! Bandelkhand farmers are among those millions of people in India who hardly get one square meal a day. They sell their women to money lenders to hide debts in the garb of marriage for amount ranging between Rs.4000 and Rs.12000.

Low literacy rate leads women to compromise because of unread papers, which makes them even more susceptible to exploitation. Once the ‘new husband’ has had enough of the purchased woman she is sold to another. Most of them end up in the vicious circle of prostitution. This is Indian democracy wherein a money lender buys the right to own a woman and sell her further. What is happening to women in Kashmir forcibly occupied by the so-called secular and democratic India is more ferocious. The occupation forces have imprisoned nearly 60,000 Kashmiris, mostly young men and women, and about 18,000 of them kept in torture cells. Young men and women are stripped and photographed naked to blackmail their families and extort information about uprising against the atrocities of Indian colonialists. Unforgettable is the twin tragedy of rape and murder of 17-year-old student Asiya and her sister-in-law on May 29, 2009, which blazed the streets with angry demonstrations and brutal police action. “Unless and until the culprits are brought to book there is definitely a feel of insecurity in our hearts and minds. Not only here in Shupian but in adjoining villages also is an overwhelming feeling of being unsafe that has killed our enthusiasm about studies and career pursuits,” said a class-mate of Asiya who did not want to be quoted by name.

What a terror to innocent women seeking freedom from India! What is happening in occupied Kashmir is not dissimilar from the brutalities to Muslims at Guantanamo Bay camp of the United States of America where 31-year-old Yemeni citizen Mohammad Al-Hanashi was held without any charge for seven years. According to Naomi Wolf, who visited the camp with other journalists on June 3, the press office there issued a terse announcement that Al-Hanashi had been found dead in his cell—an ‘apparent suicide’, which, he said, seemed suspicious to him. “I had just toured those cells: it’s literally impossible to kill yourself in them. Their interiors resemble the inside of a smooth plastic jar; there are no hard edges; hooks fold down; there’s no bedding that one can use to strangle oneself. Can you bang your head against the wall until you die theoretically?” I asked the doctor. “They check on prisoners every three minutes,” replied the doctor. Al-Hanashi, according to his fellow prisoner Binyam Mohamed, was summoned on January 17 to a meeting with the Admiral of Guantanamo and the head of the Guard Force there. He never returned to his cell. That’s the story of hundreds of men and women in cells in occupied Kashmir also, whose whereabouts haven’t been known to their families yet.

Two questions arise in relation to warming situation in occupied Kashmir: one, why don’t the world’s law-abiding governments and human rights organisations and freedom-loving people demand a satisfactory answer from India for the state terrorism; and, two, why India is buying arms and ammunition from the US and other countries and engaging herself in development of new weaponry. What’s this arms build-up for? Is it meant to create fear among the Kashmiri freedom lovers and Indian poor masses groaning under pressure of money lenders? Or are the new orders worth billions of dollars in direction of targeting China and Pakistan and also according to her neo-colonial doctrine?
 
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Please check your country and see what is happenign there. If you have Glass house you should not throw stones to others house. this is your tipical Pakistani propegenda!!! Please keep it with you. We have more muslims then your country and they are very happy here thats why there population is incresing and they are getting better and equal facilites. Atleast better then your country. Indian muslims who decided to leave india and went to Pakistan are called Muhajir there and how Pakistan treat them is not hidden. In your pakistan you have divided the muslims also and they fight with each other. We have 1.2 billion population and since we have that much some small riots or misadventures are bound to happen not always with or against muslims but for hindus also. I have an advice please before spreding these type of propegendas please look into your backyard.

You dont know what you're talking about.

India's Muslim population is 150 million in a total population of over 1 billion, not even 14% of India's population is Muslim and we saw what happened to them in Gujrat in 2002 not to mention most of India's poor are Muslims.
India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Why do Indian Muslims lag behind?

Muslims -- India's new 'untouchables' -- latimes.com

Muslims in India Battle Prejudice and Poverty - 2003-09-08


Pakistan's total population is now 180 million and we have 173 million Muslims.
Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Childish comparison, u should complain if the muslim population percentage is going down.

Stop being obsessed with our richest state. :)

lol richest state whr people eat RATZzz because of ppoor poor povty !!! buying weapons not bcum a richest state ...
 
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dont tell me about your forum tiffs, tell me about how you are really what you say you are.

if you cant take legitimate criticism and would rather divert the focus to pakistan then you are a fraud

We accept criticism but how many times are we supposed to see the same article again and again? No one denies poverty in India or Godhra mistake which we made. No one justifies Godhra or any such incident. So what is the point of bringing it again and again........

What is the whole point we are trying to discuss. The thread is about Indian defense spending are unethical but in real we spend only 2 to 3 percent of our GDP on defence which is far far less then what others nations actually spend.
 
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and has that made a shred of difference to normal everyday indian muslims?

the anser is no, things are getting worse, but lets leave it at that.

Oh...I see now.

Offtopic:
Let me tell you something. It's is not only the muslims my friend. There are many poor people including Hindus as well. This is basically related to education. Governement is working to uplift the standard of the people. Recently they passed the "right to educate". Those who are educated, are really doing well. So your point regarding Muslims living in substandard lifestyle doesn't hold any ground. You may find Christians/Parsis/Jews etc. the richest communities in evil Hindu India.:cheesy::cheesy: You can see many successful muslims in every field. Rest you are completely free to believe whatever you wish. Bottom Line is, our constitution does not differentiate between people.

Ontopic:
Well, perhaps you did not count the GDP factor. Our government spends far less amount on defence as compared to other nation. Since we have a stable and growing economy, we need to secure our transit routes and thus spending some amount on navy. This is a need of any growing economy. And lastly we not not going to invade any country dear so I fail to see what your point is.:cheers:
 
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Some Western countries say India is a secular state where democracy prevails. But realities on the ground belie the claim. Democracy, as American president Abraham Lincoln interpreted, economic justice to and work for the common man’s welfare. That is what one ought to bear in mind while assessing socio-economic progress of a country—India or Pakistan. So, let us see from this angle things happening in various parts of India and Jammu and Kashmir occupied by her at gun-point in violation of all norms of democracy and human rights and resolutions of the United Nations.

Poverty has spread its tentacles in India over the years. Any keen-sighted visitor to India with human heart and broad mind will return home disappointed and depressed with prayer for the Indian farmers compelled to sell their wives and daughters under financial burden. According to CNN-IBN reports, the situation is horrific in the Uttar Pradesh where peasants of Bandelkhand feel their survival is at stake. The farmers, pressed hard by drought, blame their shocking social condition and economic misery on the inefficiency of the government to rescue their families. The woman trade is being carried on ‘legally’ under cover of a stamp paper. The farmers reduced to penury have no alternative but offer female members of their families for sale to settle account with the money lenders. How democratic an exploitation in India! Bandelkhand farmers are among those millions of people in India who hardly get one square meal a day. They sell their women to money lenders to hide debts in the garb of marriage for amount ranging between Rs.4000 and Rs.12000.

Low literacy rate leads women to compromise because of unread papers, which makes them even more susceptible to exploitation. Once the ‘new husband’ has had enough of the purchased woman she is sold to another. Most of them end up in the vicious circle of prostitution. This is Indian democracy wherein a money lender buys the right to own a woman and sell her further. What is happening to women in Kashmir forcibly occupied by the so-called secular and democratic India is more ferocious. The occupation forces have imprisoned nearly 60,000 Kashmiris, mostly young men and women, and about 18,000 of them kept in torture cells. Young men and women are stripped and photographed naked to blackmail their families and extort information about uprising against the atrocities of Indian colonialists. Unforgettable is the twin tragedy of rape and murder of 17-year-old student Asiya and her sister-in-law on May 29, 2009, which blazed the streets with angry demonstrations and brutal police action. “Unless and until the culprits are brought to book there is definitely a feel of insecurity in our hearts and minds. Not only here in Shupian but in adjoining villages also is an overwhelming feeling of being unsafe that has killed our enthusiasm about studies and career pursuits,” said a class-mate of Asiya who did not want to be quoted by name.

What a terror to innocent women seeking freedom from India! What is happening in occupied Kashmir is not dissimilar from the brutalities to Muslims at Guantanamo Bay camp of the United States of America where 31-year-old Yemeni citizen Mohammad Al-Hanashi was held without any charge for seven years. According to Naomi Wolf, who visited the camp with other journalists on June 3, the press office there issued a terse announcement that Al-Hanashi had been found dead in his cell—an ‘apparent suicide’, which, he said, seemed suspicious to him. “I had just toured those cells: it’s literally impossible to kill yourself in them. Their interiors resemble the inside of a smooth plastic jar; there are no hard edges; hooks fold down; there’s no bedding that one can use to strangle oneself. Can you bang your head against the wall until you die theoretically?” I asked the doctor. “They check on prisoners every three minutes,” replied the doctor. Al-Hanashi, according to his fellow prisoner Binyam Mohamed, was summoned on January 17 to a meeting with the Admiral of Guantanamo and the head of the Guard Force there. He never returned to his cell. That’s the story of hundreds of men and women in cells in occupied Kashmir also, whose whereabouts haven’t been known to their families yet.

Two questions arise in relation to warming situation in occupied Kashmir: one, why don’t the world’s law-abiding governments and human rights organisations and freedom-loving people demand a satisfactory answer from India for the state terrorism; and, two, why India is buying arms and ammunition from the US and other countries and engaging herself in development of new weaponry. What’s this arms build-up for? Is it meant to create fear among the Kashmiri freedom lovers and Indian poor masses groaning under pressure of money lenders? Or are the new orders worth billions of dollars in direction of targeting China and Pakistan and also according to her neo-colonial doctrine?

Ok.....here we go:

(1) The first para says ".......stands for government of the people, by the people and for the people." - Please tell me which one is supposed to be more friendly an elected government or military dictatorship? What I mean in terms of accountability/transparency. This is the only way to reduce corruption by which India & Pakistan both are suffering.

(2) The woman trade is being carried on ‘legally’ under cover of a stamp paper. - Seriuosly. Please let us know how much of stamp paper is required for a women (no offences please). :hitwall::hitwall:

(3) The occupation forces have imprisoned nearly 60,000 Kashmiris, mostly young men and women, and about 18,000 of them kept in torture cells. - Bingo. We have our own guantanamo.:rofl::rofl:

(4) Last para has two questions. I will die in mystery how both are related to each other? Article rants about poverty in India/torture by evil Indians etc but fails to come up anything related to the title.:bounce::bounce:

Lastly, the source of the article is good enough reason.

I will rephrase the question: Why do you think the arms buildup as "Inhuman"?
 
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(3) The occupation forces have imprisoned nearly 60,000 Kashmiris, mostly young men and women, and about 18,000 of them kept in torture cells. - Bingo. We have our own guantanamo.:rofl::rofl:

Sad that you find it amusing.
Says a lot about you and people who agree with you.

I will rephrase the question: Why do you think the arms buildup as "Inhuman"?

If you are still unable to see the connection between India's arms buildup, the opportunity cost of that buildup, and the uses to which those weapons are put against its own people, perhaps you are best suited to "Incredible India" media spoonfeeding. All the "facts", opinions, and analyses are prefabricated and predigested for easy consumption. No need to strain your brain with independent thought and critical analysis.
 
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That particular canard has been shot, stuffed and roasted already.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/33359-slums-south-asia.html

And, in any case, we are talking about Africans laughing at India. Africans! :rofl:

:) whats funny is that your analysis is purely one sided full and opinions,racist innuendoes and biases.

Poverty whether in India is as bad as in any other country incl your beloved China.

Your reference to Africa is poorly disguised racist attack on their color.

Pathetic.
 
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Your reference to Africa is poorly disguised racist attack on their color.

Uh, no dear.
Lame attempt to play the 'racist' card when your pompous balloon was busted.

And poverty is a very serious matter. That was the whole point of the original article, which you guys obviously missed in your defensive reaction.
 
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Sad that you find it amusing.
Says a lot about you and people who agree with you.

If you are still unable to see the connection between India's arms buildup, the opportunity cost of that buildup, and the uses to which those weapons are put against its own people, perhaps you are best suited to "Incredible India" media spoonfeeding. All the "facts", opinions, and analyses are prefabricated and predigested for easy consumption. No need to strain your brain with independent thought and critical analysis.

Your analysis is neither original nor objective. Lets accept that India has a large share of poor people. But so do other developing countries. For obvious reasons, a larger population means larger poor people in absolute terms.

Please provide your spoon feeding theory with some fuel by providing some facts.Comparing Kashmir to Gitmo is shocking...well one way or the other movements supported by Pakistan seem to end up in your mind as torture chambers; maybe the issue is your support...introspect.
 
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I'm very disappointed in all of you for the shameful mess you've made here.

Instead of critiquing or defending the article I've only seen the typical and disgusting responses that are commonly seen in low quality forums from members on both sides today.

Those who've derailed the thread, that unfortunately included the very second post, and those who've participated in the derailing will be getting infractions and warnings.

This thread is about India. Not Pakistan. Even if Pakistan has some of these problems, and I'm only humoring you here, that does not preclude the fact that they happen in India. If I hear ANYONE saying that Pakistanis cannot talk about such and such issues because their country has such and such then thats an infraction for you. Comparative analysis is one thing, but what I've seen here is down right impulsive arrogance.

Carry on with a factual and respectable debate, if you can.
 
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