India in no hurry to talk to Pakistan

[$@rJen]

India in no hurry to talk to Pakistan
PublishedSeptember 17, 2015 | Byadmin

SOURCE: TNN

Pakistan may be insisting on a broader format of bilateral talks that covers J&K as a precondition for coming to the negotiation table but India is in no mood to relent on its stand that the two countries needed to talk terrorism before moving on to other issues of mutual concern.

Amid growing suggestions from across the border that India agree to hold “composite dialogue” where J&K is on the table along with terror, top-ranking official sources here said India had no plans to subvert the sequence the two countries had agreed to in Ufa in July where Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif agreed with PM Narendra Modi that the NSAs of the two countries discuss terror as a prelude to wider engagement.

The NSA talks scheduled in August did not happen with Pakistan abruptly demanding that Kashmir could not be kept off the table, an insistence that was publicly rebuked by India as violation of the Ufa agreement.

Pakistani NSA Sartaj Aziz was quoted as saying on Wednesday that Sharif will not like to have talks with Modi on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly later this month if India did not give up its stand for prioritizing terror over other issues. Aziz’s pitch also seemed to reflect an assessment in Islamabad that India might acquiesce to the pressure for discussing J&K.

Sources in Delhi, however, ruled out any revision of the stand, suggesting that New Delhi will stick to its lines even if that knocked out the prospect of early restoration of talks between the estranged neighbours. “We are not dying to talk to them if they don’t adhere to what they agreed to,” a senior government functionary said.

The stand also rules out the possibility of Modi venturing beyond exchange of pleasantries when he meets Sharif while in New York for the UN General Assembly meeting.

 

[FULL_METAL]

simple funda hai yaar we already have more than what we wanted, it is Pakistan which does not have what it wants, so we can afford to keep avoiding talks talks are not going to bring any more peace than what we currently have. the best thing we can to is to keep this status quo alive forever just by not engaging in any kind of talks

 

[Vyom]

simple funda hai yaar we already have more than what we wanted, it is Pakistan which does not have what it wants, so we can afford to keep avoiding talks talks are not going to bring any more peace than we currently have. this status quo is the real peace for us

No it's accepting status quo is like giving the Pakistan Army a license to use its governmental jihad machinery to keep killing Indians. the Only benefit is that by finally agreeing to ignore its tantrums. we can engage with others while not letting the discourse being hijacked by Pakistan centric policy. So yeah it doesn't change anything but PA has to be deterred. in some way or the other...

 

[Dalit]

No problem. We are in no hurry at all as well. In fact don't even show up. All problems will remain unsolved. Who cares...

 

[FULL_METAL]

No it's accepting status quo is like giving the Pakistan Army a license to use its governmental jihad machinery to keep killing Indians. the Only benefit is that by finally agreeing to ignore its tantrums. we can engage with others while not letting the discourse being hijacked by Pakistan centric policy. So yeah it doesn't change anything but PA has to be deterred. in some way or the other...

so u agree with me that talks are of no use? cuz there are many other ways available to deter the PA and talk is not one of them. Our agencies are already doing a great job making PA engaged in other sectors. militancy in Kashmir is going south, now its only few jihadi here and there, Srinagar is more peaceful than Karachi. we have unlimited patience give this status quo a few more decades it is Pakistan which will have to beg us to make loc international border.

 

[Neutron]

so u agree with me that talks are of no use? cuz there are many other ways available to deter the PA and talk is not one of them. Our agencies are already doing a great job making PA engaged in other sectors. militancy in Kashmir is going south, now its only few jihadi here and there, Srinagar is more peaceful than Karachi. we have unlimited patience give this status quo a few more decades it is Pakistan which will have to beg us to make loc international border.

You mean to say your agencies are supporting terrorism inside Pakistan or something else? Care to elaborate

 

[GURU DUTT]

in short it means both hurriat and aging pakistani diplomatic community will take there dream of resolving kashmir & all owtstaning issues with india on pakistani terms to there graves

 

[Bornubus]

Talks for what ?

 

[FULL_METAL]

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You mean to say your agencies are supporting terrorism inside Pakistan or something else? Care to elaborate

I am no authority to talk on these matters, heck before coming to pdf I didn't even know there's a thing called raw existed. there are hundreds of threads about raw has been made in this forum and a million times I have seen pakistanis accusing raw for all the terrorists incidents, sectarian hatred and radicalism. the comment I made was sarcastic in nature. u guys sweep all ur incapabilities, incompetencies and passiveness in dealing with all kinds of terrorists, under the rug and use raw and modi as ur favourite punching bags. that comment was a dig at that mentality. since u guys already know it is India behind all ills of Pakistan then why even bother to ask? an yes or no from a random Indian in an online forum is most certainly not going to change the mindset, right?

and yes personally I do not believe that Indian agencies are causing terrorism inside Pakistan, as we have u as the burning example of what happens when u keep feeding the snakes thinking it will only bite ur neighbour. Hope that explains

 

[ito]

It is obvious...India will buy time, and Pakistan want to 'settle' Kashmir as soon as possible.

 

[wadi79]

India in no hurry to talk to Pakistan
PublishedSeptember 17, 2015 | Byadmin

SOURCE: TNN

Pakistan may be insisting on a broader format of bilateral talks that covers J&K as a precondition for coming to the negotiation table but India is in no mood to relent on its stand that the two countries needed to talk terrorism before moving on to other issues of mutual concern.

Amid growing suggestions from across the border that India agree to hold “composite dialogue” where J&K is on the table along with terror, top-ranking official sources here said India had no plans to subvert the sequence the two countries had agreed to in Ufa in July where Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif agreed with PM Narendra Modi that the NSAs of the two countries discuss terror as a prelude to wider engagement.

The NSA talks scheduled in August did not happen with Pakistan abruptly demanding that Kashmir could not be kept off the table, an insistence that was publicly rebuked by India as violation of the Ufa agreement.

Pakistani NSA Sartaj Aziz was quoted as saying on Wednesday that Sharif will not like to have talks with Modi on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly later this month if India did not give up its stand for prioritizing terror over other issues. Aziz’s pitch also seemed to reflect an assessment in Islamabad that India might acquiesce to the pressure for discussing J&K.

Sources in Delhi, however, ruled out any revision of the stand, suggesting that New Delhi will stick to its lines even if that knocked out the prospect of early restoration of talks between the estranged neighbours. “We are not dying to talk to them if they don’t adhere to what they agreed to,” a senior government functionary said.

The stand also rules out the possibility of Modi venturing beyond exchange of pleasantries when he meets Sharif while in New York for the UN General Assembly meeting.

I think we should talk - but we first need to figure out who's the real power in Pakistan.

• Sartaj Aziz represents the current civilian administration, which seems powerless
• Army holds the strings of the civilian govt, so another power centre.
• An umbrella of non-state actors operates from within Pakistan, many of which no longer answer to the government or the military. Another power centre.
• US embassy provides the aid which keeps Pakistan running - he who pays the piper calls the tune. Should we talk to the US ambassador? Yet another power centre.
• China provides weapons and diplomatic support, and maybe even investment - so maybe we should discuss with the PLA generals? Higher than mountain, deeper than ocean power centre.

Uff, so confusing. I think the Pakistani strategy is to confuse India and the world with the multitude of power centres.

 

[Neutron]

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I am no authority to talk on these matters, heck before coming to pdf I didn't even know there's a thing called raw existed. there are hundreds of threads about raw has been made in this forum and a million times I have seen pakistanis accusing raw for all the terrorists incidents, sectarian hatred and radicalism. the comment Icorridor times sarcastic in nature. u guys sweep all ur incapabilities, incompetencies and passiveness in dealing with all kinds of terrorists, under the rug and use raw and modi as ur favourite punching bags. that comment was a dig at that mentality. since u guys already know it is India behind all ills of Pakistan then why even bother to ask? an yes or no from a random Indian in an online forum is most certainly not going to change the mindset, right?

and yes personally I do not believe that Indian agencies are causing terrorism inside Pakistan, as we have u as the burning example of what happens when u keep feeding the snakes thinking it will only bite ur neighbour. Hope that explains

No I don't blame RAW for evils in Pakistan. I agree with few scholars those argue that RAW is a social welfare organisations. Yes I believe RAW is not supporting TTP,they are in Afghanistan and in Balochistan just to fund projects like Shoukat khanam hospital and Abdusatar Edhi . Yes i also argue that RAW is helping Pakistan in many projects such as china pakistan economic corridor.
Happy?

 

[halupridol]

Can we wait it out,,,ofcourse we can

 

[Vyom]

so u agree with me that talks are of no use? cuz there are many other ways available to deter the PA and talk is not one of them. Our agencies are already doing a great job making PA engaged in other sectors. militancy in Kashmir is going south, now its only few jihadi here and there, Srinagar is more peaceful than Karachi. we have unlimited patience give this status quo a few more decades it is Pakistan which will have to beg us to make loc international border.

Talks are of absolutely no use. Because you cannot negotiate with an Ideology. Any conflict has deliverables. and gets over when it achieves what it gets. Pakistan is a derivative of the Two Nation Theory, which means that it will resist the Indian state in which ever way it can. The number of lives lost, territory gained or lost, loosing money is irrelevant. when you are captive of an Ideology.

The very "existence" of India is a threat to Pakistan Army and the Ideology of Two nation Theory. As long as any nation stays in the notion that one religion is supreme and needs to rule over the other, There will never be peace. So not only Talks are futile in my view we should build a wall and ingnore them. jut ignore them.

Look at the heros of Pakistan they consider themselves to be Arabs, Turks and what not. any thing but their roots. and the rest laugh at them use them as mercenaries.

 

[GURU DUTT]

It is obvious...India will buy time, and Pakistan want to 'settle' Kashmir as soon as possible.

in short : its pakistan who needs to talk and have good relations with india not the vice versa