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India actually lost Kargil war: Gen Pal


* Indian general says what his country gained from war has not been consolidated

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: An Indian general, who commanded troops during 1999 Kargil war, on Sunday broke his 11-year silence to say that India actually lost the war in strategic terms.

Lieutenant-General (r) Kishan Pal, the then head of Srinagar-based 15 Corps, told a private channel that he did not speak because he was never convinced about this war.

“We did gain some tactical victories, we regained the territories, but lost 587 precious lives. I consider this loss of war because whatever we gained from the war has not been consolidated, either politically or diplomatically. It has not been consolidated militarily,” he said, when was asked for his assessment of the conflict 11 years later.

Gen Pal was recently in a controversy involving the battle performance report of one of his juniors, Brigadier Devinder Singh. An armed forces tribunal has indicted Pal for showing bias against Brigadier Singh; former 70 infantry brigade commander, and belittled his achievements in the war besides falsifying accounts of battles during the Kargil operations.

Meanwhile, a Chandigarh-based former army major has also come out with a revelation that his inputs on Kargil ‘intrusion’, sent to his seniors as early as January-February 1999, were ignored and he was asked to stop sending such reports in writing.

Major Manish Bhatnagar, who participated in the Kargil war, said not only were his inputs ignored, later, when a full-scale conflict broke out, he was court martialled on another pretext and made to leave the army.

He said he had informed his senior officers about the heavy presence of hostile forces and had also apprised them of the large number of bunkers and occupation of vital points by them during his posting. “Later, when the strength of ‘intruders’ was found to be more than the perceptions of the top generals — resulting in mass causalities of soldiers — officers like me were persecuted to hide their wrongs,’” Bhatnagar said.

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posted here many times, but lets discuss it anyway... :chilli:
 
India actually lost Kargil war: Gen Pal


* Indian general says what his country gained from war has not been consolidated

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: An Indian general, who commanded troops during 1999 Kargil war, on Sunday broke his 11-year silence to say that India actually lost the war in strategic terms.

Lieutenant-General (r) Kishan Pal, the then head of Srinagar-based 15 Corps, told a private channel that he did not speak because he was never convinced about this war.

“We did gain some tactical victories, we regained the territories, but lost 587 precious lives. I consider this loss of war because whatever we gained from the war has not been consolidated, either politically or diplomatically. It has not been consolidated militarily,” he said, when was asked for his assessment of the conflict 11 years later.

Gen Pal was recently in a controversy involving the battle performance report of one of his juniors, Brigadier Devinder Singh. An armed forces tribunal has indicted Pal for showing bias against Brigadier Singh; former 70 infantry brigade commander, and belittled his achievements in the war besides falsifying accounts of battles during the Kargil operations.

Meanwhile, a Chandigarh-based former army major has also come out with a revelation that his inputs on Kargil ‘intrusion’, sent to his seniors as early as January-February 1999, were ignored and he was asked to stop sending such reports in writing.

Major Manish Bhatnagar, who participated in the Kargil war, said not only were his inputs ignored, later, when a full-scale conflict broke out, he was court martialled on another pretext and made to leave the army.

He said he had informed his senior officers about the heavy presence of hostile forces and had also apprised them of the large number of bunkers and occupation of vital points by them during his posting. “Later, when the strength of ‘intruders’ was found to be more than the perceptions of the top generals — resulting in mass causalities of soldiers — officers like me were persecuted to hide their wrongs,’” Bhatnagar said.

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come on yar there is no point in the article we all know the terrorists and Pakistani soldiers were occupying the peaks and off course to evict them from the position approx 8 Indian soldiers had to die to kill one terrorist.

People should learn the lesson from our loss not shrug it off and declare that we won. As of the general he just feels that the cost of the war was too high. And i too agree after 1999 things have changed now soldiers have better gear and protection so history will no repeat again.
 
come on yar there is no point in the article we all know the terrorists and Pakistani soldiers were occupying the peaks and off course to evict them from the position approx 8 Indian soldiers had to die to kill one terrorist.

People should learn the lesson from our loss not shrug it off and declare that we won. As of the general he just feels that the cost of the war was too high. And i too agree after 1999 things have changed now soldiers have better gear and protection so history will no repeat again.

blah blah blah... and the indian general says india lost
 
blah blah blah... and the indian general says india lost

Blah, blah, yourself. Did you read what was said? Lost in strategic terms? Not consolidated?......and all this said when the good General was found guilty by the armed forces tribunal of fudging battlefield records.....Yup, what a lollipop for people who are so desperate to hear anything positive that the moment they saw a headline, they thought that achieved orgasmic bliss.:lol:
 
Pakistan lost the kargil war, because it failed to achieve its objective of getting India to vacate siachen , casualty numbers doesn't matter what matters is "objectives", even the Soviets lost more men in the "Battle of Stalingrad" then Germany, but none the less, the Soviets achieved their objectives where as the Germans failed in theirs. The results of wars are not determined by who lost more men rather, it is decided by who successfully meets their objectives.
 
In the end, India got raped on the ground, but they attained the political victory due to the traitor and coward Nawaz Sharif.
 
India actually lost Kargil war: Gen Pal


* Indian general says what his country gained from war has not been consolidated

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: An Indian general, who commanded troops during 1999 Kargil war, on Sunday broke his 11-year silence to say that India actually lost the war in strategic terms.

Lieutenant-General (r) Kishan Pal, the then head of Srinagar-based 15 Corps, told a private channel that he did not speak because he was never convinced about this war.

“We did gain some tactical victories, we regained the territories, but lost 587 precious lives. I consider this loss of war because whatever we gained from the war has not been consolidated, either politically or diplomatically. It has not been consolidated militarily,” he said, when was asked for his assessment of the conflict 11 years later.

Gen Pal was recently in a controversy involving the battle performance report of one of his juniors, Brigadier Devinder Singh. An armed forces tribunal has indicted Pal for showing bias against Brigadier Singh; former 70 infantry brigade commander, and belittled his achievements in the war besides falsifying accounts of battles during the Kargil operations.

Meanwhile, a Chandigarh-based former army major has also come out with a revelation that his inputs on Kargil ‘intrusion’, sent to his seniors as early as January-February 1999, were ignored and he was asked to stop sending such reports in writing.

Major Manish Bhatnagar, who participated in the Kargil war, said not only were his inputs ignored, later, when a full-scale conflict broke out, he was court martialled on another pretext and made to leave the army.

He said he had informed his senior officers about the heavy presence of hostile forces and had also apprised them of the large number of bunkers and occupation of vital points by them during his posting. “Later, when the strength of ‘intruders’ was found to be more than the perceptions of the top generals — resulting in mass causalities of soldiers — officers like me were persecuted to hide their wrongs,’” Bhatnagar said.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan retired Lt General Jamshed Gulzar Kiani revealed that Musharraf pleaded before Nawaz Sharif to visit Bill Clinton to stop the war. Musharraf was already sensing defeat and humiliation after the fall of Tololing peak.

In the end, India got raped on the ground, but they attained the political victory due to the traitor and coward Nawaz Sharif.

What was Pakistan's real casualties in the conflict. Musharraf, ISPR and your PM Nawaz Sharif all gave conflicting figures about Pakistani casualties in the war.
 
Pakistan retired Lt General Jamshed Gulzar Kiani revealed that Musharraf pleaded before Nawaz Sharif to visit Bill Clinton to stop the war. Musharraf was already sensing defeat and humiliation after the fall of Tololing peak.



What was Pakistan's real casualties in the conflict. Musharraf, ISPR and your PM Nawaz Sharif all gave conflicting figures about Pakistani casualties in the war.

Yup.

And that's why IA got raped in Kargil.


:lol:
 

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