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Good Taliban, Bad Taliban? Pakistani commander's killing exposes blurry lines.

Analysts say the US drone killing of a 'Good Taliban' commander in Pakistan could unleash new violence by anti-government insurgents - or undo peace talks with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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Pakistani Taliban commander Maulvi Nazir speaks during a news conference in Wana, the main town of the South Waziristan region bordering Afghanistan in this April 2007 file photo. Nazir was traveling in a car in troubled South Waziristan, Thursday, when his vehicle was hit by a missile, according to media reports.

Islamabad, Pakistan

The US drone killing of Pakistani Taliban commander Maulvi Nazir threatens to unleash new anti-government violence against the country’s weak government or civilian targets, and expose fractures in the country’s military and security forces, analysts say.

Nazir was traveling in a car in troubled South Waziristan, bordering Afghanistan, Thursday, when his vehicle was hit by a missile, according to media reports. He and six other Pakistanis believed to be militants were killed.

The attacks highlight the convoluted interconnections among insurgent factions in Pakistan, some of whom are focused on fighting US forces in Afghanistan, others of whom seek to topple Pakistan’s government. Still other groups target Indian forces. Many of the factions are backed or financed by military and intelligence agencies in Pakistan, who have differing agendas themselves.

The killing was confirmed by Pakistani intelligence officials in the nearby city of Peshawar who spoke on condition of anonymity since they were not authorized to speak to the press.

Mr. Nazir, who survived a suicide attack in November reputedly organized by rival Taliban commanders, was considered to be pro-government, a rare stance among Pakistani Taliban. He had agreed in the past to restrain his fighters from targeting Pakistani government forces, instead focusing efforts on the Taliban-led anti-US insurgency in Afghanistan. That had led some to label him a “good" Taliban.

With his killing, however, some analysts say his successor and followers may now turn their guns on civilian and military targets within Pakistan.

“Such [drone] attacks are not the first ones to have occurred and they have definitely created rifts between the Pakistani military and the likes of Maulvi Nazir-led Taliban,” says Mehreen Zahra Malik, an Islamabad-based columnist who recently visited Wana, the town in South Waziristan where Nazir was based.

Adding to the problem is widespread outrage among most Pakistanis toward US drone strikes. The government and military have harnessed that anger to pressure Washington. The “Good Taliban” forces increasingly suspect these attacks are being carried out with the consent of the Pakistani security establishment, Ms. Malik says.

“There is nothing to say the 'Good Taliban' won't also turn their guns on the Pakistani state in the coming days, which is definitely something the Pakistan Army would like to avoid,” Malik adds.

Other experts believe targeting Nazir could be part of a larger strategic alliance between Pakistan and the US, a relationship that has been strained by the 2011 secret US raid that killed Osama bin Laden without the knowledge of the government. The 2011 “Salala Incident” in which NATO aircraft killed 24 Pakistani soldiers at a post on the Afghan border also prompted anger toward Washington.

“By taking out the leadership of those Taliban based in Pakistan and fighting in Afghanistan like Maulvi Nazir, both countries can increase the pressure on the Taliban for talks because they will be in a stronger position,” says Ayesha Siddiqa, a defense analyst who has authored two books on the Pakistani military.

Some fear the drone attacks may end up backfiring.

“This drone attack belies the conventional wisdom... Why [would] the US target a militant close to the Afghan Taliban and antagonize those it wants to bring [to] the table for peace talks?” says Fahd Husain, a noted columnist for the several leading Islamabad newspapers.

Another reason that such attacks may be happening could have to do with the Pakistani military wanting to support stability in Afghanistan for its own interests, adds Mr. Husain. Recent reports in Pakistani media have discussed a new doctrine by the Pakistan Army that describes homegrown militancy as the “biggest threat” to national security.

“Pakistan knows that [after] the post pull-out of the Americans from Afghanistan in 2014, it will face a serious threat from the Taliban within the country and therefore there is an emergence of new strategic thinking within the Pakistani military,” he says.


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The "Good Taliban, Bad Taliban" question is akin to asking something like "Good King Cobra, Bad King Cobra". Though now that his tale is over, he is one of the "Good Talibans".
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all talibans are bad..time to take off the black and white glasses. there is no gurantee that the armed insurgent groups will not turn their guns against the government shall the loyalty payments stop!
Implementing that will require changes from Inside out, starting with JUI, PTI and other establishment cronies. Then chart policies in the establishment to reverse that brainwashing, and finally in the nation's social fabric. Because, foot soldiers will always be provided by the Madrassas to fight their ideology and unless this mindset is defeated, no matter how many priorities are set in the "Green Book" about internal militancy, PA will lose this jehadi battle. In pragmatic terms, they should always keep in mind the Sri Lankan experience in battling terrorism by the LTTE for close to 3 decades and should make a plan for such a prolonged fight with the Taliban.
 
this is like comparing atom bomb and hydrogen bomb(both are nuclear).

similarly taliban is bad.no matter if it is pak taliban or afghan taliban.
 
pakistan is one confused nation.

Pakistan is always very Clear :hitwall:

Make friends with good and Reasonable people and envy with Bad ones,
Like fingers of a same hand ,no one is same, If a Single Person is Corrupt the whole family should never be declared the same.If a person lives in Waziristan ,have a beard and have a rifle in home he is not an enemy. We are always clear,
Lives are very sacred But some Nations are very Confused like in Kashmir Afghanistan and Palestine ,they kill whole families villages children and women and lads just in the Confusion of their Opponents Lol :undecided:
 
Pakistan is always very Clear :hitwall:

Make friends with good and Reasonable people and envy with Bad ones,
Like fingers of a same hand ,no one is same, If a Single Person is Corrupt the whole family should never be declared the same.If a person lives in Waziristan ,have a beard and have a rifle in home he is not an enemy. We are always clear,
Lives are very sacred But some Nations are very Confused like in Kashmir Afghanistan and Palestine ,they kill whole families villages children and women and lads just in the Confusion of their Opponents Lol :undecided:

you are very clear indeed.
 
Seems easy to say from miles away.

No this forum pretty much sums up the mentality of the majority of you people. You guys claim to be one thing and will immediately switch off to being something else. You call the same people that kill innocent Indians "freedom fighters" whereas those who behead and slaughter your soldiers and civilians are termed "terrorists".

Pakistan is always very Clear :hitwall:

Make friends with good and Reasonable people and envy with Bad ones,
Like fingers of a same hand ,no one is same, If a Single Person is Corrupt the whole family should never be declared the same.If a person lives in Waziristan ,have a beard and have a rifle in home he is not an enemy. We are always clear,
Lives are very sacred But some Nations are very Confused like in Kashmir Afghanistan and Palestine ,they kill whole families villages children and women and lads just in the Confusion of their Opponents Lol :undecided:
 
pakistan is one confused nation.

Pakistan is confused because it cannot come to grip with the fact that the groups it armed, trained and nurtured have now turned their guns on Pakistan itself.

And thus Pakistanis invent conspiracy theories to explain this phenomenon.

Its like Parents of a child who is doing bad in school. Instead of investigating the child's study habits, or the people their child is hanging out with. They instead blame the school, teacher, principle for conspiring to fail their child on purpose.
 
If one has followed the forum long enough one knows they were all good talibs once and but for US drones hardly any talib leadership would be dead today.

Pakistan is perfectly happy not to have to take a principled stand on any issue.
 
Pakistan can deal with TTP but after 2014 withdrawal, Pakistan is not on good side of US, it may face economic sanctions and we know US can create any solid reason to do so. Not only US, many NATO members will also follow as US and India is important for many European countries.

Its time Pakistan get rid of all type of Taliban, good or bad, they will bring destruction now or in future. Defend present and save future.
 
Pakistan can deal with TTP but after 2014 withdrawal, Pakistan is not on good side of US, it may face economic sanctions and we know US can create any solid reason to do so. Not only US, many NATO members will also follow as US and India is important for many European countries.

Its time Pakistan get rid of all type of Taliban, good or bad, they will bring destruction now or in future. Defend present and save future.

This is a HUGE TASK... firstly they would need to openely admit the mistake they did "Good/Bad talibunnies" and then eradicating them all,anti-radicalization and not double-crossing US.

This is going to take lot of time and hard work from everyone in Pakistan and the long term results would be Pakistan going where it started in 1960's where it was actually going ahead of India in development.

But I seriouslyt doubt if this is going to happen.

US is shrewd enough to engage Pakistan in a undeclared civil war and punishing it for double-crossing where the ultimate loser is Pakistan.
 

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