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1. Transall can not start to bring german soldiers from Iraq
2. None of 22 Sea Lynx can fly, four of them have cracks of 20cm or more
3. 8 of 109 Eurofighter can fly
3. 7 of 67 CH-53 helicopter can fly
4. 5 of 33 NH-90 helicopter have no problems


That is not army, that is junk yard



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Report: Half of Germany's Military Planes are in Shambles

According to the business daily Handelsblatt, over half of Germany's Transall military transport planes are unsuitable for long hauls. That leaves an ever smaller fleet to fly soldiers to and from Afghanistan.

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Transalls are so popular among pilots, they've been dubbed "angels of the sky"

The Handelsblatt quoted aviation industry sources as saying that corrosion and wear and tear have turned over half of Germany's Transall planes into decrepit machinery. The sources apparently said that it was becoming more difficult to locate spare parts for the planes, some of which are more than 40 years old.

The paper also reported that a number of planes have been grounded due to rust problems and some are beyond repair.

The German defense ministy has partially denied the report, the Handelsblatt wrote.

"Unknown number" in repair



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A Transall at Ramstein base in Germany

Germany currently has 83 Transall planes in deployment. The defense ministry said that 70 percent of the planes are always ready for action, as NATO dictates. The ministry said that an "unknown number" of planes were currently undergoing repairs.

Germany had originally planned to replace the remaining Transall planes with Airbus' new A400M model by 2014, but that schedule may have to be revised due to recently announced delays in delivery.

The German government has ordered 60 of the Airbus models at a cost of 8.6 billion euros ($12.4 billion).

Until they are delivered, the Transalls remain the sole military transporters, and must run flights to the Balkans and Afghanistan. Germany has some 3,000 soldiers serving in the NATO-led force in Afghanistan.
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Report: Half of Germany′s Military Planes are in Shambles | Germany | DW.DE | 06.11.2007

That's only half the story: new Airbus A400M coming in.


Order reduced from 60 to 53 (plus 7 options), and will try to resell 13, leaving 40. FIrst expected november 2014.
Airbus A400M Atlas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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German Navy Grounds Sea Lynx Helicopter Fleet
Sep. 22, 2014 - 03:45AM |
By ALBRECHT MÜLLER ONN — A 22-centimeter-long crack discovered in a German Sea Lynx Mk88 helicopter has grounded 21 of the Navy’s 22-strong Sea Lynx fleet, according to the Defense Ministry.
The crack appeared June 16 on the hoist arm of a Sea Lynx onboard the frigate Lübeck while on operation off the coast of Great Britain, a ministry spokesman said.

Since then, the entire fleet has been checked. Other Sea Lynx also showed hairline cracks in various stages and the aircraft were finally grounded in mid-September.

The Defense Ministry confirmed corresponding media reports Sept. 22.

Fifteen of the multipurpose military helicopters are grounded while six were already in routine maintenance. One aircraft used for training flights has been allowed to keep flying to maintain crew practice.

The Bundeswehr is discussing with the helicopter’s producer, AgustaWestland, and the Navy’s industrial system support partner, Airbus Helicopters, how to permanently fix the defect. It will take until early 2015 until the Sea Lynx fleet can return to operational flight, according to the ministry spokesman

“We are actively investigating the issue, but it is not something that appears on any other customer’s aircraft,” a spokeswoman for AgustaWestland said.

The grounding of the aircraft also affects German participation in the European anti-piracy mission Atalanta around the Horn of Africa because the German frigates usually operate two Sea Lynx helicopters. Therefore, the Lübeck is underway without any operational aircraft.

The spokesman said the international flotilla includes enough helicopters provided by warships from other countries, but they will have to provide support to the German Navy. ■

Email: amuller@defensenews.com.
German Navy Grounds Sea Lynx Helicopter Fleet | Defense News | defensenews.com
Germany grounds Sea Lynx helicopters

The first Sea Lynx bound for the German Navy made it's first flight on 26th may 1981 and was handed over to the Marineflieger at Yeovil. Together with two other helicopters, it was used for training of crews and personell. The remaining of the 19 ordered Lynxes were delivered between end of 1981 and 1988. These have been in service 30-35 years and are scheduled to be replaced by NH-90s. Small wonder.

Westland Sea Lynx Mk.88
Westland Lynx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
German are not interested in buying or maintaining arms. No enemy no need of weapons. Plus don't believe in deficit financing
 
German are not interested in buying or maintaining arms. No enemy no need of weapons. Plus don't believe in deficit financing
Bla. In the case of Transall and Lynx, it is old aircraft, with new aircraft types already on order.
 
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Bla. In the case of Transall and Lynx, it is old aircraft, with new aircraft types already on order.
But very limited in number with supporting or subsidized pricing or govt industrial employment interest involve. Otherwise if you read NATO review about German soliders in Afghanistan, rock bottom...
 
3. 8 of 109 Eurofighter can fly
I think the original report is from Der Spiegel?

If true, how do you explain this from July 11, 2014 by David Conciotti:
The Aviationist » Luftwaffe

More than 40 Typhoons belonging to three European Air Forces have deployed to Decimomannu airbase in the last few weeks to take advantage of the local ACMI (Air Combat Maneuvering Installation) ranges.
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From Jun. 12 to 26 the Luftwaffe deployed 23 Typhoons (including four two-seaters) from Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 73 “Steinhoff” from Laage. Some 8 Typhoons are still operating from “Deci.”

If 8 Typhoons remained at Deci, there would be no Typhoons to deploy or to safeguard German sky...

Meanwhile....

August 28, 2014
From September until end of the year, up to six Luftwaffe Eurofighter Typhoon jets will patrol the skies of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, in coordination with NATO fighter jets already stationed in Lithuania.
German jets take to Estonian skies to protect the Baltics - Estonian World
I find it hard to believe just 2 Typhoons would be left to defend German skies... there would be no deployment if only 8 are in flying condition...
 
I think the original report is from Der Spiegel?

If true, how do you explain this from July 11, 2014 by David Conciotti:
The Aviationist » Luftwaffe



If 8 Typhoons remained at Deci, there would be no Typhoons to deploy or to safeguard German sky...

Meanwhile....


German jets take to Estonian skies to protect the Baltics - Estonian World
I find it hard to believe just 2 Typhoons would be left to defend German skies... there would be no deployment if only 8 are in flying condition...

those reports is just a mere excuse for them to ask more money to financing their projects and expanding their force structure
 
The German air force is facing such a severe funding shortage that many of its aircraft are unable to fly, mechanics are forced to cannibalise parts from existing planes and only eight of the country's 109 Eurofighters are fully operational, according to a report in Spiegel magazine.
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The report claims the German government is now facing embarrassment because ministers promised to send six Eurofighters to the Baltic states next week despite the alleged shortfalls.
It says as few as seven of Germany's 67 CH-53 transport helicopters are fully operational, including those currently deployed in Afghanistan, and only five of its 33 NH-80 helicopters.
Of the 56 C-160 aircraft which carry relief supplies to northern Iraq, only 21 are operational, it claims.
The air force has refused to comment publicly on the report, saying it concerns classified information.
But defence sources have sought to rubbish Spiegel, saying the publication has misinterpreted an internal report. Officials said the magazine's reporters had listed some planes as unable to fly, when in fact they were only in need of routine maintenance.
The row comes against a backdrop of concern over Germany's defence budget.
German fighter jets unable to fly and mechanics forced to borrow spare parts, claims magazine - Telegraph

  • Nur acht von 109 "Eurofighter"-Kampfjets sind voll einsatzbereit.
  • Von den 67 CH-53-Transporthubschraubern, die unter anderem in Afghanistan im Einsatz sind, können derzeit nur sieben abheben.
  • Auch bei den Hubschraubern vom Typ NH90 gibt es Ausfälle: Gerade einmal fünf von 33 sollen einsatzbereit sein.
  • Von 56 Transall-Transportflugzeugen des Typs C-160, die derzeit unter anderem Hilfsgüter in den Nordirak bringen, sind lediglich 21 voll flugtüchtig.
Bundeswehr unter von der Leyen: Marode Ausrüstung bei Luftwaffe - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Mind you, einsatzbereit (fully operational) does not equate to unable to fly...
In all, even if assuming report is true (and I would be a little sceptical of Der Spiegel), use here is inaccurate and distorted.
Consider:....
Eurofighter often grounded, sometimes for years
AIRheads/MB 2013/12/11 Fighters, News Catch
The Eurofighter EF2000 / Typhoon is often that much grounded, that less than three quarters of the front-line fighting force is available to the countries that need them. Some aircraft marked for flying spend years without any hour in the air. Moreover, the operating costs are much higher than promised or planned.
Internal German Armed Forces technical reports leaked out to the German press in November 2013. They clearly cut out the problems for the 5th generation fighter. As the Luftwaffe officially operated more than a 100 Eurofighters in October this year, only 73 were available at a time. For comparison: the Swedish made Saab Gripen – also a 5th generation fighter – can reach 85 to 95 percent of availability.
With the Gripens it are mostly budget restrains that prevent the air forces of keeping them flying. While with the Eurofighter it are many technical failures and problems with the quality control at manufacturer EADS. Some EF2000s seem to spend years on the ground, according to the leaked reports.
Meanwhile, the operating costs for Eurofighters that do fly have gone up to an average of 80,000 euro per flying hour. That is much more than originally planned and an embarrassment compared to the 16,000 – 18,000 euro/hour for a fairly new F-16 or 18,000 – 20,000 euro/hour for the Saab JAS 39 Gripen.
© 2013 AIRheads’ Marcel Burger
Eurofighter often grounded, sometimes for years

NH-90 has some problems, with all users, not just Germany (i.e. cannot be attributed to budget crunch of German military)
Corrosion Delays Dutch NH90 Acquisition | Ares
Air Transportation: Troubled NH90 Makes It To The Big Time
Executives Say NH90 Has Moved out of Development Phase | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
Just for comparison:

In 2010, the F-15E fleet, with an average age of over 16 years, had and aircraft availability rate of 59 percent. The Air Force plans for the F-15E to be an integral part of the Nation’s force through at least 2035. As of 2010 the F-15 C/D air superiority fighter fleet had an average age of over 25 years. The Air Force projected the F-15C/D fleet to be viable until 2025-2030, and will consider the airframe’s service0f19c9f479bdc177b6a3970c2d2abf44.png life extension requirements following full-scale fatigue testing. This testing is scheduled to begin this summer and conclude in FY14. The Air Force was managing the fleet through scheduled field and depot inspections under an individual aircraft tracking program. For FY10, the F-15C/D’s aircraft availability was 65 percent.
F-15 Eagle

the navy found that both their older F-18C Hornet fighters, and their newer F-18E "Super Hornet" were wearing out faster than expected. Years of heavy use in support of the war on terror are bringing forward the time when worn out F-18s will have to be retired. At that point, the aircraft will have too many worn out components for even a heavy refurbishment to cope with.
F-18 Fleet Falling Apart

f-22 boasts a 70-percent availability rate
Congressional Record - Google Boeken
 
Major Deficiencies
In a hearing of the defense committee, the Bundeswehr General Inspector and other senior representatives of the military and the defense ministry presented the state of affairs to members of parliament. The committee had sought additional information after SPIEGEL reported in August about major deficiencies in the operational capability of important German weapons systems. On Wednesday, members of the committee reviewed a paper that provided a color-coded green, yellow and red classifications based on an assessment of the operational capability of the 22 main weapons systems used by the army, navy and air force.
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Total stock = all procured units
Available = in operation, including systems currently out of service because of maintenance or repair
Deployable = can be used immediately for missions, exercises or training

*includes pre-production models
Source: Bundeswehr German Armed Forces


It appears that the paper included a considerable amount of misleading information and that the military might even be in worse shape than that presented by the officials.
High-ranking military officials involved had the option of giving a seemingly arbitrary green, yellow or red classification for systems for which their unit had responsibility. Germany's lone deployable submarine (of four) received a yellow rating. Seventy of the country's 180 Boxer armored combat vehicles were deemed unfit for deployment. Defense Ministry sources also told SPIEGEL that Bundeswehr General Inspector Volker Wieker even made last-minute changes to the color codes on some of the systems. Meanwhile, air force chief Karl Müllner made clear in remarks to members of the committee that, despite green dots signifying equipment was working, his forces were only capable of conducting current missions and did not have the capacity for any new ones. Officials at the ministry stated that the "classification system used is based on a combination of availability for deployment and training as well as consideration for the ability to fulfill the mission."
But some of the criteria seemed arbitrary, with no apparent rules on the time frames used for measuring the weapons systems' operational readiness. A good example is the NH90 helicopter. The report measured the operational capability for these aircraft during the months of April, May and June, a time when most were still flying. A current list from sources close to the manufacturer indicate that all but two of 33 helicopters have since been grounded.
The situation is similar with the navy's Sealynx helicopter, of which only four can apparently fly. In order to improve the aircraft's ranking in the overview, the period used for the averaging was October 2013 through September 2014. However, by the end of June, all of the aircraft had been grounded because of construction defects.
The ministry also didn't distinguish between "full" or "conditional" operational capability. But this is an important distinction, because when the German federal parliament votes on whether the Bundeswehr can engage in a foreign deployment, it only allows equipment to be sent that is fully operational. And that's where the deficiencies start to stack up. For example, on the list given to the parliamentarians, 16 CH53 transport helicopters are listed, but a previous air force internal report distributed to the Defense Ministry in August stated that only 7 were "fully" operational. With the Eurofighter fighter jet, Wednesday's official list for parliament stated that 42 aircraft were ready for deployment, but the August air force report stated that only eight were "fully" capable of operation. Despite these discrepancies, the Defense Ministry is still standing behind its official list, with officials claiming it provides a "meaningful overview of the situation."
It's an assessment not shared by parliamentarians. "We called on the ministry to tell us how this list came to be and the criteria used to produce it," said Tobias Lindner, a fiscal policy expert with the Green Party.

Germany's Disarmed Forces: Ramshackle Military at Odds with Global Aspirations
 
Somehow I think France, Russia and Poland would welcome this news. :lol:
 
If the situation that bad how come germany finds a place in top armies list, global firepower for example?
 

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