Enemies Become Best Of Friends

[dexter]

Meet two men who are the best of friends now, but when they first met in the military their jobs put a strain on their relationship. They were trying to kill each other.
On April, 1972 USAF Capt. Fred Olmsted flying F-4 Phantom shot down the North Vietnamese Mig-21 during Vietnam War. Discover what happened later when they met after 32 years.

 

[Wow]

"Hey remember when you tried to bomb my country and kill its citizens LOL that was funny lets go out to dinner"

 

[war&peace]

Good lesson to learn.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Good lesson to learn.

You know what is surprising about Vietnamese? These guys -

• died in millions at hands of Americans
• saw their children burned alive by American napalm bombs
• saw their babies born distorted by Agent Orange chemical
• saw their women raped and turned into whores
  
• had their entire country flattened
• but fought a superpower
  
• fought
• fought
• fought until they won

This was the first and rare exampole where American power was defeated. Now 40 years later these Vietnamese are showing they could win the war but now can also win the peace. They are clearly demonstrating they can forgive and forget. Not only that they are demonstrating how self interest works. When it suited they fought harder and better then anybody against America. Now when it suits them they can work with America better then anybody. This should be a lesson for Pakistan.

And rest assured with those qualities and American help, Vietnam is going to be next economic tiger.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You know what is surprising about Vietnamese? These guys -

• died in millions at hands of Americans
• saw their children burned alive by American napalm bombs
• saw their babies born distorted by Agent Orange chemical
• saw their women raped and turned into whores
  
• had their entire country flattened
• but fought a superpower
  
• fought
• fought
• fought until they won

This was the first and rare exampole where American power was defeated. Now 40 years later these Vietnamese are showing they could win the war but now can also win the peace. They are clearly demonstrating they can forgive and forget. Not only that they are demonstrating how self interest works. When it suited they fought harder and better then anybody against America. Now when it suits them they can work with America better then anybody. This should be a lesson for Pakistan.

And rest assured with those qualities and American help, Vietnam is going to be next economic tiger.

But could you do that with a people who are ideologically programmed from birth by their parents, religion, culture etc to hate your race, your nation and call for their destruction?

 

[war&peace]

You know what is surprising about Vietnamese? These guys -

• died in millions at hands of Americans
• saw their children burned alive by American napalm bombs
• saw their babies born distorted by Agent Orange chemical
• saw their women raped and turned into whores
  
• had their entire country flattened
• but fought a superpower
  
• fought
• fought
• fought until they won

This was the first and rare exampole where American power was defeated. Now 40 years later these Vietnamese are showing they could win the war but now can also win the peace. They are clearly demonstrating they can forgive and forget. Not only that they are demonstrating how self interest works. When it suited they fought harder and better then anybody against America. Now when it suits them they can work with America better then anybody. This should be a lesson for Pakistan.

And rest assured with those qualities and American help, Vietnam is going to be next economic tiger.

I'm interested in following your discussion

But could you do that with a people who are ideologically programmed from birth by their parents, religion, culture etc to hate your race, your nation and call for their destruction?

 

[vostok]

It is very interesting that people almost never remember about USSR role in Korean and Vietnamese wars. I have sawn dozens of American films about those wars - but no Russian pilots, special forces or military advisors ever.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But could you do that with a people who are ideologically programmed from birth by their parents, religion, culture etc to hate your race, your nation and call for their destruction?

With Indians. Nope. Reason being they live next door to us and hatred has become engendered into our very pysche. It would long, long time for this to dissipate.

I was talking about distant, 'business' rivalry or animosity as opposed to 'close up/personal'. I think with US, Israel or rest it is distant and just 'business' but with India it is 'close up/personal'. For instance I often get called out for making disparaging remarks about Karachiwallahs. The truth is it's nothing to do with Karachi, or Sindh but with 'Indianism'. If you moved from India you need to dump your 'Indianism' and not infect rest of Pakistan with it. For instance paan, biriani etc I associate them with India. They are quintessential Indian markers. I think instead of making 'Indian's out of Sindhi's, anybody settling there should adapt to Sindh.

For instance what is Sindhi food? i would love to find out. But all that has been buried under ocean of Lucknow, Hydrrabadi Deccan, Bihari etc Indianisms.

I have sawn dozens of American films about those wars - but no Russian pilots, special forces or military advisors ever.

Don't worry Vostee we know you guys supplied, trained and at times even fought against the Americans. I remember reading a article about a tangle with Migs where the American writer narrates about seeing tuft of blond hair in a Mig cockpit over Hanoi. Now we know there ain't many blond Viets or maybe it was a Viet with some fetish for blond whigs or was it a Russkie?

With Indians. Nope. Reason being they live next door to us and hatred has become engendered into our very pysche. It would long, long time for this to dissipate.

I was talking about distant, 'business' rivalry or animosity as opposed to 'close up/personal'. I think with US, Israel or rest it is distant and just 'business' but with India it is 'close up/personal'. For instance I often get called out for making disparaging remarks about Karachiwallahs. The truth is it's nothing to do with Karachi, or Sindh but with 'Indianism'. If you moved from India you need to dump your 'Indianism' and not infect rest of Pakistan with it. For instance paan, biriani etc I associate them with India. They are quintessential Indian markers. I think instead of making 'Indian's out of Sindhi's, anybody settling there should adapt to Sindh.

For instance what is Sindhi food? i would love to find out. But all that has been buried under ocean of Lucknow, Hydrrabadi Deccan, Bihari etc Indianisms.

Don't worry Vostee we know you guys supplied, trained and at times even fought against the Americans. I remember reading a article about a tangle with Migs where the American writer narrates about seeing tuft of blond hair in a Mig cockpit over Hanoi. Now we know there ain't many blond Viets or maybe it was a Viet with some fetish for blond whigs or was it a Russkie?

But the Yanks made you pay back with interest.

Afghanski

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With Indians. Nope. Reason being they live next door to us and hatred has become engendered into our very pysche. It would long, long time for this to dissipate.

I was talking about distant, 'business' rivalry or animosity as opposed to 'close up/personal'. I think with US, Israel or rest it is distant and just 'business' but with India it is 'close up/personal'. For instance I often get called out for making disparaging remarks about Karachiwallahs. The truth is it's nothing to do with Karachi, or Sindh but with 'Indianism'. If you moved from India you need to dump your 'Indianism' and not infect rest of Pakistan with it. For instance paan, biriani etc I associate them with India. They are quintessential Indian markers. I think instead of making 'Indian's out of Sindhi's, anybody settling there should adapt to Sindh.

For instance what is Sindhi food? i would love to find out. But all that has been buried under ocean of Lucknow, Hydrrabadi Deccan, Bihari etc Indianisms.

Don't worry Vostee we know you guys supplied, trained and at times even fought against the Americans. I remember reading a article about a tangle with Migs where the American writer narrates about seeing tuft of blond hair in a Mig cockpit over Hanoi. Now we know there ain't many blond Viets or maybe it was a Viet with some fetish for blond whigs or was it a Russkie?

But the Yanks made you pay back with interest.

Afghanski

We would really benefit with doing business with the Israelis, I am all for it. Just hope the retrded, low IQ Mullahs don't chimp out.

I think we also need to think outside the economic box. Perhaps doing business with South American/Latino nations may benefit us greatly too. Who knows?.

 

[vostok]

Don't worry Vostee we know you guys supplied, trained and at times even fought against the Americans. I remember reading a article about a tangle with Migs where the American writer narrates about seeing tuft of blond hair in a Mig cockpit over Hanoi. Now we know there ain't many blond Viets or maybe it was a Viet with some fetish for blond whigs or was it a Russkie?

There was a joke in Soviet times. Vietnamese pilot finished his training and was ready for battle. But he was never told about one red button on the cockpit.
- What is this button? - he asked.
- Use it only in the most dangerous situation.
And Vietnamese joined the battle with American fighter-jets. He fired all the missiles and gun ammunition. And then he pressed the red button.
And someone grabbed his shoulders and moved him from pilot's seat. And he heard a Russian voice:
- Okey, son, now give me the seat.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There was a joke in Soviet times. Vietnamese pilot finished his training and was ready for battle. But he was never told about one red button on the cockpit.
- What is this button? - he asked.
- Use it only in the most dangerous situation.
And Vietnamese joined the battle with American fighter-jets. He fired all the missiles and gun ammunition. And then he pressed the red button.
And someone grabbed his shoulders and moved him from pilot's seat. And he heard a Russian voice:
- Okey, son, now give me the seat.

lol

 

[nahtanbob]

It is very interesting that people almost never remember about USSR role in Korean and Vietnamese wars. I have sawn dozens of American films about those wars - but no Russian pilots, special forces or military advisors ever.

In First Blood II there are Russian advisors. they are portrayed as bad guys

 

[Army research]

It is very interesting that people almost never remember about USSR role in Korean and Vietnamese wars. I have sawn dozens of American films about those wars - but no Russian pilots, special forces or military advisors ever.

Rambo had them

 

[vostok]

In First Blood II there are Russian advisors. they are portrayed as bad guys

Rambo had them

Ok, thanks.

 

[Nein]

It is very interesting that people almost never remember about USSR role in Korean and Vietnamese wars. I have sawn dozens of American films about those wars - but no Russian pilots, special forces or military advisors ever.

Good thing is Cod black ops 1 touched upon this subject where the Soviets were backing Vietnam even sending troops and kbg officers. Albeit the game made the Russians look badand the usual typical american hero. But it was a good game.