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Does Pakistan Have a Strategy to Defeat Taliban?

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Have Taliban succeeded in dividing Pakistan along regional, ideological and political lines?

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Does Pakistan have a strategy to deal with the Taliban?

Can Gen Kayani help develop such a strategy after his recent speech discussing whose war is it?

Can Pakistani judges be fair to Musharraf?

Why was Sarabjit Singh brutally murdered in Pakistani jail?

Watch Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh discuss answers to these questions with Sabahat Ashraf, Ali Hasan Cemendtaur and Riaz Haq.


Taliban's strategy in Pakistani elections; Musharraf's Life Ban; Sarabjit's Murder in Pakistani Jail from WBT TV on Vimeo.

Haq's Musings: Taliban vs. Pakistan in Elections 2013
 
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1-Go into dialogue with talibans and peace deals(temporary and risky but possible within a very short time)

2-Seal the border with afghanistan,expel all the afghan refugees,once this is done,go for a massive operation.
if the border with afghanistan is sealed off and a massive operation is taken out i am sure within 3 months we will be off from Govt of karzai support TTP..

NOTE:Most important steps include sealing of border with afghanistan,
suspended all kind of ties with afghanistan
suspend the flow line of supply to afghanistan permanently
 
No peace can be achived by only negociating tallibans, cause it will make them more powerfull which eventully can tallibanize pakistan further?
Its Only canbe Achive Through A Tough ! Dedicated Militry Stand With A Open political Dialoge Only Way Forward!
 
No peace can be achived by only negociating tallibans, cause it will make them more powerfull which eventully can tallibanize pakistan further?
Its Only canbe Achive Through A Tough ! Dedicated Militry Stand With A Open political Dialoge Only Way Forward!

You can not negotiate with the Talibs from the current position of weakness; it'll only encourage their bad behavior and the killing of more innocents. Negotiations are only possible after the Taliban have been militarily weakened to the point of agreeing to stop attacks.
 
Two injured as grenade lobbed at JI office in Quetta

QUETTA: At least two people have reportedly been injured in a hand grenade attack on office of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) on Al-Gilani road on Saturday night.

Police sources said that unknown men riding bike lobbed handed grenade at JI office, leaving two people injured.

The assailants managed to escape.

Police rushed to the site and shifted the injured to hospital. An investigation into the incident has been initiated.

Violence against political parties has increased in recent days with the Pakistan Peoples Party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and the Awami National Party have been targeted.

On Saturday at least three people died and 33 others were injured in twin bomb blasts at an MQM election office in Karachi.


Two injured as grenade lobbed at JI office in Quetta – The Express Tribune
 
A military engagement backed by a strong political settlement by the federation itself.
 
Two injured as grenade lobbed at JI office in Quetta

QUETTA: At least two people have reportedly been injured in a hand grenade attack on office of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) on Al-Gilani road on Saturday night.

Police sources said that unknown men riding bike lobbed handed grenade at JI office, leaving two people injured.

The assailants managed to escape.

Police rushed to the site and shifted the injured to hospital. An investigation into the incident has been initiated.

Violence against political parties has increased in recent days with the Pakistan Peoples Party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and the Awami National Party have been targeted.

On Saturday at least three people died and 33 others were injured in twin bomb blasts at an MQM election office in Karachi.


Two injured as grenade lobbed at JI office in Quetta – The Express Tribune

just two hand grenades? what about those school which got razed

, i suspect jamaat itself is behind those attacks
 
I was shocked to hear PTI NA-146 (Okara) candidate Prof Abdur Rauf Dola admit to GeoTV's Suhail Warraich today that ISI helped him get the PTI ticket from Imran Khan over the objections of local PTI officials. Does the military see Nawaz Sharif as a problem in its fight against terrorists? Is the ISI working to try and keep Nawaz Sharif out of power?
 
There is neither a consensus or a strategy on how to deal with Taliban. Main reason being a confusion about what TTP & Taliban stand for. Here is an article recounting happenings about a discussion on Pakistan elections at the Frontline Club in London. People living outside Pakistan are horrified at the atrocities committed by the TTP & their allies on Pakistani public, but a section of Pakistanis are totally blind to this barbarity and will not condemn such inhuman savagery, instead the TTP lover which includes politicians such JI Chief Munawwar Hassan and many of the PML-N candidates admit their admiration and links with the extremist parties. Do we except a change after the election? Regret to admit very little, as overtly pro Taliban party (PML-N) and / or secret admirer of Taliban (PTI) are likely to be among the most likely winners.

Strange thing that came out of this discussion was revelation by a Pakistan journalist that drone attacks were doing a good job!


Discussion on elections at the Frontline Club
From the Newspaper | Irfan Husain


AFTER Benazir Bhutto’s assassination over five years ago (how time flies!), the only political figure in Pakistan foreigners have heard of is Imran Khan. His fame is largely attributable to his cricketing prowess and his winning ways with the ladies in England’s upper class. Who wouldn’t envy his track record?But as a politician, people here in the UK are unclear what he stands for. I am often asked by English friends about his chances of coming to power, and thus far, I have replied “very remote”.

However, given the traction his Movement for Justice has been getting of late, I have started hedging my downbeat assessment.

This was one of the questions on the agenda of the discussion on the upcoming elections held at London’s famous Frontline Club recently. The club is the venue where Julian Assange stayed and held court for weeks before he sought refuge at the Norfolk estate of the founder, Vaughan Smith. Among the many well-known personalities who have spoken here was Benazir Bhutto. I was last there to hear Ahmed Rashid speak about his new book last year.

The club is dedicated to press freedom, and has hosted some 1200 events since it was founded in 2003. Apart from a smallish hall that seats around a hundred, it has a cosy members’ bar and an excellent restaurant open to the public. The running costs are met by charging tickets for talks, and from membership fees and the takings of the restaurant and bar.

So when I was invited to participate in a panel discussion on the Pakistani elections, I was delighted to accept. The other panellists were Wajid Shamsul Hasan, our High Commissioner in London; Umber Khairi of BBC’s Urdu service, and an old friend; and Pir Zubair Shah, the Pulitzer Prize winning Pakistani journalist. Moderating the proceedings was Paddy O’Connell of the BBC.

The audience was a mixture of desis and Brits, with several friends who had turned up to fly the flag for the home team. We kicked off by explaining to the audience who the major contenders were, and I could see eyes glazing over as we went through the list: PPP, ANP, PML-N, PTI, MQM, etc. As I named the leaders of these parties, I had some difficulty explaining how Altaf Hussain has run his party from London for 20 years.

The truth is that very few Brits — or foreigners of any kind — know or care very much about our elections. By and large, they see Pakistan as the source of most of their security problems, whether as a threat to their soldiers in Afghanistan, or as an incubator for many of the terrorist plots and attacks hatched by young British radicals of Pakistani origin.

Indeed, at one point the moderator asked for a show of hands to indicate how many had heard of Pakistan being referred to as ‘Denialistan’. This was in reference to the widely shared perception of a country that closes its eyes to the anti-Western sentiments that fester among a vast majority of Pakistanis. At the same time, Pakistan continues to beg for aid from the very countries at the receiving end of extremist violence exported from our shores.

Inevitably, the talk turned to drone attacks, and Pir Zubair Shah, who happens to be from South Waziristan, made the point that people living in the affected areas supported the US campaign. He was convinced that there was no other way to eliminate the Taliban who were holding local tribesmen hostage.

My discussion with the former chief secretary of KP province a couple of years ago reinforced this viewpoint: according to this top official of the provincial administration, the further away people were from the tribal areas, the more they fulminated against the drones. According to him, villagers whose lives had been made hell by the terrorists welcomed American drone attacks that were generally very precise.

Both the moderator and the audience were horrified at the level of violence unleashed against certain parties by the Taliban. We in Pakistan have become so accustomed to terrorist violence that we forget how unusual it is. For some 25 years, sundry ethnic, sectarian and religious groups have been tearing the country apart. Both military and civilian rulers have witnessed the weakening of the writ of the state as though they were rabbits frozen in the glare of onrushing car headlights.

One elderly lady remarked that listening to our description of the violence, it seemed that Pakistan was a failed or failing state.
Instantly, the panel went into denial: we all repeated the familiar mantra that Pakistanis were very resilient, and somehow or other, we would overcome the terrorist threat.

But in my heart of hearts, I put this optimism down to wishful thinking: for far too long, the state has retreated before the extremist juggernaut. This refusal to take a stand stems from the mass confusion about the nature of the threat we face. In the West, there is a broad consensus that governments will fight Islamist terrorism with all the means at their disposal.

There is no such resolve in Pakistan. Here, politicians, generals, journalists and the public are all too often divided over how to face the ****** peril. Many are taken in by the religious rhetoric used by the terrorists, not realising that this is a smokescreen for a naked power grab. Others secretly subscribe to the aims of the Taliban. People like Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif help to spread this confusion.

Our audience at the Frontline Club was under no such delusion. Most could not understand why the Pakistani state allowed such anarchy to prevail if it was not complicit. In my concluding remarks, I said that as a Pakistani, I had to hope that things would improve, but as a realist, I was very pessimistic.

Discussion on elections at the Frontline Club | Opinion | DAWN.COM
 
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1-Go into dialogue with talibans and peace deals(temporary and risky but possible within a very short time)

Most plausible provided there is a strong emphasis on laying down arms and giving up miplitancy against the Pakistani establishment. This is the most likely thing, but needs a very thorough approach.

2-Seal the border with afghanistan,expel all the afghan refugees,once this is done,go for a massive operation.
if the border with afghanistan is sealed off and a massive operation is taken out i am sure within 3 months we will be off from Govt of karzai support TTP..


Technically impossible and no political will. It would be strongly resisted by the Afghans and the Pak tribals for various very tangible reasons(and some Not so Kosher ones As well). there would be daily outbreaks of war with the ANA and the financial implications would be disasterous both for pakistan and Afghanistan as well as the ecology.

NOTE:Most important steps include sealing of border with afghanistan,
suspended all kind of ties with afghanistan
suspend the flow line of supply to afghanistan permanently

Please see my notes in green on the text box and then read the text below. (My apologies to the mods for having used a different colour)
For reasons above it is unlikely to happen. It did not happen when the US was in power and could have spent a couple of Billions to do it and it wont happen because pakistan does not have the money and the will to do so. When there is that much opposition to something you will not be able to fight it and need to find a negotiated settlement to it. You have to understand that there is a reason why taliban are tolerated by the establishment in PA, otherwise we could have blown the big wigs to smithereens and gotten over the problem a long time ago. There are various forces at work here ,some friendly and some not so friendly. Eliminating all will undo the work that has been done over the last three decades. This would be counterproductive as we need some friends in the right places post 2014 as well.
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Technically impossible and no political will. It would be strongly resisted by the Afghans and the Pak tribals for various very tangible reasons(and some Not so Kosher ones As well). there would be daily outbreaks of war with the ANA and the financial implications would be disasterous both for pakistan and Afghanistan as well as the ecology.

We have no other option but to close those borders. If we don't it will be the same story all over again and Federation will shift the blame making excuses.
 
We have no other option but to close those borders. If we don't it will be the same story all over again and Federation will shift the blame making excuses.

Even if the border could be closed, it'll make little difference because the Taliban terrorists are in Pakistan's tribal areas, cities and towns. Nothing short of military action (backed by good intelligence) will work to stop the daily carnage.
 
Abdur Rauf Dola, a PTI candidate in Okara, told GeoTV's Sohail Warraich on TV that the ISI helped him get the PTI ticket over the objections of local PTI leadership. It could be a lone ISI guy, but it's also possible that Pak military is wary of Nawaz Sharif given his prior record of trying to bring the military under his heel. In addition, the US has no love for Nawaz Sharif because his well known connections with Al Qaeda and Taliban and other militant groups and his expressed desire to become "amir-ul-momineen". It's possible that Imran Khan is being used to checkmate Nawaz Sharif by splitting Punjabi vote to help parties other than PTI and PML(N). Who knows???
 
Abdur Rauf Dola, a PTI candidate in Okara, told GeoTV's Sohail Warraich on TV that the ISI helped him get the PTI ticket over the objections of local PTI leadership. It could be a lone ISI guy, but it's also possible that Pak military is wary of Nawaz Sharif given his prior record of trying to bring the military under his heel. In addition, the US has no love for Nawaz Sharif because his well known connections with Al Qaeda and Taliban and other militant groups and his expressed desire to become "amir-ul-momineen". It's possible that Imran Khan is being used to checkmate Nawaz Sharif by splitting Punjabi vote to help parties other than PTI and PML(N). Who knows???

Whatever the reasons, some of which you speculate about, one fact is clear. ISI/Army has not and will not stop meddling in politics to control any civilian elections.
 
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