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Docs Say F-35B Too Hot, Noisy
BY : Military Advantage
When the Marine Corps commandant says equipment he is buying for his people works and is safe, we listen. So when Gen. James Conway told us the vertical takeoff version of the Joint Strike Fighter was not too hot to damage carriers or amphibious ships and was not too loud to harm crews or communities, we listened. So did some folks on Capitol Hill and they questioned whether the Marine leadership was singing too sweet a song.
Testing documents obtained by DoD Buzz, said by congressional sources to be the most recent available, raise serious questions about the effects of heat and noise from the F-35B on pilots and ships crews, on ship decks and on critical flight equipment.
For example, an operational assessment of the JSF says that heat from the STOVL version may result in severe F-35 operating restrictions and or costly facility upgrades, repairs or both. The OT-IID report says thermal management will increase the number of sorties required to prepare an operational unit for deployment during summer months at most American bases. Overall, it rates basing as red: unlikely to meet criteria significant shortfall.
Another document, a briefing chart rating the planes systems, rates as red flight operations noise below deck and island structure and on the flight. Direct exhaust deck personnel burns are rated red, as is personnel blow down and off-gassing. On top of that, the non-skid coating is rated red, as is the impact of the planes power systems on spotting and the planes outwash on spotting of adjacent aircraft.
A congressional aide was biting in his reaction to Conways assurances that the plane was marginally hotter than the AV-8B Harrier and about as loud as existing planes.
AV-8B and F-35B temperatures might be the same, but so far they havent shown anyone their data; plus, you have to look at it from the perspective of total kinetic energy of the engine thrust. AV-8B has a thrust rating of 23,000lbs, whereas an F-35B thrust rating is 41,000lbs. Hes comparing a cigar torch lighter to a blow torch. Additionally, hes got other thermal issues he needs to worry about as well, like overheating avionics and cockpit temperatures, the aide said.
The testing report says that continued cycling of the engine for carrier takeoff raises serious issues because a pilots backup oxygen supply is depleted when the integrated power package (IPP) is disengaged to give the plane more thrust. Cutting off the IPP also means there is potential that overheating of the radar and avionics may result. On top of all that, temperatures inside the cockpit on the ground and in low altitude, high-speed fly will be high, more than 90 degrees even during a day when the mercury hits 59 degrees outside. That could hamper pilot performance during such missions.
The congressional aide then went on to noise. As for the noise issue, the concern is not in the aircraft flying pattern, the noise concern is for those onboard ship, both above and below deck that are going to have issues. If none of this is a concern, why is the risk matrix still red after developmental testing mitigations are removed? the aide asked.
We showed the documents to Winslow Wheeler, a top defense analyst at Washingtons Center for Defense Information. The documentation makes extremely clear that the Navy and Marine Corps know they have a problem on their hands. But they dont know the dimension of the problem and they dont know how to address it. But the problem is very clear, he said.
The congressional staff who spoke said they were concerned that the Marines are unwilling to address what could be fundamental problems for the fifth-generation STOVL plane and, one said, are purposely disingenuous in their misrepresentation of facts.
BY : Military Advantage
When the Marine Corps commandant says equipment he is buying for his people works and is safe, we listen. So when Gen. James Conway told us the vertical takeoff version of the Joint Strike Fighter was not too hot to damage carriers or amphibious ships and was not too loud to harm crews or communities, we listened. So did some folks on Capitol Hill and they questioned whether the Marine leadership was singing too sweet a song.
Testing documents obtained by DoD Buzz, said by congressional sources to be the most recent available, raise serious questions about the effects of heat and noise from the F-35B on pilots and ships crews, on ship decks and on critical flight equipment.
For example, an operational assessment of the JSF says that heat from the STOVL version may result in severe F-35 operating restrictions and or costly facility upgrades, repairs or both. The OT-IID report says thermal management will increase the number of sorties required to prepare an operational unit for deployment during summer months at most American bases. Overall, it rates basing as red: unlikely to meet criteria significant shortfall.
Another document, a briefing chart rating the planes systems, rates as red flight operations noise below deck and island structure and on the flight. Direct exhaust deck personnel burns are rated red, as is personnel blow down and off-gassing. On top of that, the non-skid coating is rated red, as is the impact of the planes power systems on spotting and the planes outwash on spotting of adjacent aircraft.
A congressional aide was biting in his reaction to Conways assurances that the plane was marginally hotter than the AV-8B Harrier and about as loud as existing planes.
AV-8B and F-35B temperatures might be the same, but so far they havent shown anyone their data; plus, you have to look at it from the perspective of total kinetic energy of the engine thrust. AV-8B has a thrust rating of 23,000lbs, whereas an F-35B thrust rating is 41,000lbs. Hes comparing a cigar torch lighter to a blow torch. Additionally, hes got other thermal issues he needs to worry about as well, like overheating avionics and cockpit temperatures, the aide said.
The testing report says that continued cycling of the engine for carrier takeoff raises serious issues because a pilots backup oxygen supply is depleted when the integrated power package (IPP) is disengaged to give the plane more thrust. Cutting off the IPP also means there is potential that overheating of the radar and avionics may result. On top of all that, temperatures inside the cockpit on the ground and in low altitude, high-speed fly will be high, more than 90 degrees even during a day when the mercury hits 59 degrees outside. That could hamper pilot performance during such missions.
The congressional aide then went on to noise. As for the noise issue, the concern is not in the aircraft flying pattern, the noise concern is for those onboard ship, both above and below deck that are going to have issues. If none of this is a concern, why is the risk matrix still red after developmental testing mitigations are removed? the aide asked.
We showed the documents to Winslow Wheeler, a top defense analyst at Washingtons Center for Defense Information. The documentation makes extremely clear that the Navy and Marine Corps know they have a problem on their hands. But they dont know the dimension of the problem and they dont know how to address it. But the problem is very clear, he said.
The congressional staff who spoke said they were concerned that the Marines are unwilling to address what could be fundamental problems for the fifth-generation STOVL plane and, one said, are purposely disingenuous in their misrepresentation of facts.