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So I just came back home from Day 1 DIMDEX-2018. Quite of revelations, disappointments and People who I wanted to meet remain elusive. I reached when 2 hours were left for closing of day one
Turkish are leading the Biggest contingent with Rokestan, STM, ASELSAN, HAVELSAN, SSM, MKEK
Americans are there with Lockheed, General dynamics.
Chinese are there with China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation
British are there
French are there
Australian are there
Russians are there with Rosoboronexport
Let's start with MILGEM. I'll remain vague which vendor I discussed things with but the various teams I discussed with was/is involved in technical discussion in both Agosta Submarine and MilGEM
As per the RFP Pakistan floated for MILGEM SHIP. Pakistan is getting ADA CLASS without any VLS. This is what Pakistan will be getting.
The modifications would be Missile Tubes will be replaced with Pakistani specific missile tubes and Pakistan has asked to put Chinese equipment on it . Pakistan has not asked for a helicopter with MILGEM ADA in RFP. Turkish vendor is hoping DEAL will be signed before new elections in Pakistan
First Agosta Submarine upgradation timeline is 36 months is a best case scenario. Any glitches and unexpected integration problems can push the timeline further.
We had a perception Pakistan wanted to Upgrade all 3 submarines Nope, Team involved in Deal told me, Pakistan issued tender for only submarine at that time. Not for all 3 and then issued tender for second submarine just a while ago. There is no tender for 3rd submarine upgradation yet
Havelsan is providing combat management system. I asked specifically if Pakistan can integrate missiles of its own as french CMS could not have allowed Pakistan to do that. Team was very Specific, Despite Havelsan CMS being a proprietary System and We wont allow clients to make its own changes but since Pakistan is an exceptional case and we accomodate them always. So IF Pakistan wants to make change in CMS. Their request going to be approved by Turkish Ministry of defence but HAVELSAN will be the one making changes in CMS
I asked If Pakistan asked for any Missile to be integrated of their own from the GET GO. Team was very specific Pakistan didnot put any Request for this in the RFP for now
Any further queries regards havelsan CMS was asked to be redirected to Havelsan Stall. I'm gonna go there and further enquire about their CMS going into Agosta 90 B upgradation
I met the team who is responsible for ASELPOD. As per them ASELPOD doesnot have Datalink capability like SNIPER XR and in near future there is no plan to add this capability. If this capability gonna be added, it gonna be a hardware specific change and Pakistan PODS can not be upgraded, so Pakistan has to buy that specific version
majority of ASELPOD components are home made but some foriegn components are still there and they doesnot fall under ITAR so Pakistan will not be affected by ITAR sanctions
Turkish Team has successfully integrated ASELPOD on Pakistani jet last year and demonstration was successful and after that they scaled down their presence there as Pakistan is quite capable to undertake integration on rest of the Fighter jets
China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation. I went to their stall but due to it was 4.40 PM and they were packing up. Didnt get a chance to ask them properly. But yeah On their Display Boards, There was JF-17 Firing Missile. Mentions of CM-400 AKG, C-802 AKG. They have like one dozen SAMS included LY-80 mentioned on their display board. Tomorrow if i get a chance to visit I'm gonna visit and ask them question
Russian were quite cold. But I went to their stall at 4.50 pm. They said since I'm not a reporter just a visitor, they can't entertain any of my requests but come tomorrow, their media specialist can accommodate my queries
I didnt get time to VISIT MKEK, French, American Stalls which I'll visit tomorrow so throw my any questions if you have any
Pakistan Navy Delegation remain elusive. I was not able to locate Navy mission commander or our defence attache there. At 4:50 PM when I was going out I met Pakistani sailors who said they have come on a different bus and are not with Mission commander and can't tell where there leadership delegation is and I've to search for them separately. Lets see if I'm able to find Our Naval Delegation tomorrow !
highlight of the day, when I passed by pakistani sailors group, one sailor was saying, "Idhar se bhagna mushkil hoga"
As exhibition center is very very large and you have to walk a lot.
@Arsalan @The Deterrent @Quwa @cabatli_53 @DESERT FIGHTER @ali_raza @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @cabatli_53 @Neptune @LegionnairE @Combat-Master @HRK @Tank131 @Rashid Mahmood @Oscar @war&peace @LeGenD @Areesh @Gryphon
Turkish are leading the Biggest contingent with Rokestan, STM, ASELSAN, HAVELSAN, SSM, MKEK
Americans are there with Lockheed, General dynamics.
Chinese are there with China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation
British are there
French are there
Australian are there
Russians are there with Rosoboronexport
Let's start with MILGEM. I'll remain vague which vendor I discussed things with but the various teams I discussed with was/is involved in technical discussion in both Agosta Submarine and MilGEM
As per the RFP Pakistan floated for MILGEM SHIP. Pakistan is getting ADA CLASS without any VLS. This is what Pakistan will be getting.
The modifications would be Missile Tubes will be replaced with Pakistani specific missile tubes and Pakistan has asked to put Chinese equipment on it . Pakistan has not asked for a helicopter with MILGEM ADA in RFP. Turkish vendor is hoping DEAL will be signed before new elections in Pakistan
First Agosta Submarine upgradation timeline is 36 months is a best case scenario. Any glitches and unexpected integration problems can push the timeline further.
We had a perception Pakistan wanted to Upgrade all 3 submarines Nope, Team involved in Deal told me, Pakistan issued tender for only submarine at that time. Not for all 3 and then issued tender for second submarine just a while ago. There is no tender for 3rd submarine upgradation yet
Havelsan is providing combat management system. I asked specifically if Pakistan can integrate missiles of its own as french CMS could not have allowed Pakistan to do that. Team was very Specific, Despite Havelsan CMS being a proprietary System and We wont allow clients to make its own changes but since Pakistan is an exceptional case and we accomodate them always. So IF Pakistan wants to make change in CMS. Their request going to be approved by Turkish Ministry of defence but HAVELSAN will be the one making changes in CMS
I asked If Pakistan asked for any Missile to be integrated of their own from the GET GO. Team was very specific Pakistan didnot put any Request for this in the RFP for now
Any further queries regards havelsan CMS was asked to be redirected to Havelsan Stall. I'm gonna go there and further enquire about their CMS going into Agosta 90 B upgradation
I met the team who is responsible for ASELPOD. As per them ASELPOD doesnot have Datalink capability like SNIPER XR and in near future there is no plan to add this capability. If this capability gonna be added, it gonna be a hardware specific change and Pakistan PODS can not be upgraded, so Pakistan has to buy that specific version
majority of ASELPOD components are home made but some foriegn components are still there and they doesnot fall under ITAR so Pakistan will not be affected by ITAR sanctions
Turkish Team has successfully integrated ASELPOD on Pakistani jet last year and demonstration was successful and after that they scaled down their presence there as Pakistan is quite capable to undertake integration on rest of the Fighter jets
China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation. I went to their stall but due to it was 4.40 PM and they were packing up. Didnt get a chance to ask them properly. But yeah On their Display Boards, There was JF-17 Firing Missile. Mentions of CM-400 AKG, C-802 AKG. They have like one dozen SAMS included LY-80 mentioned on their display board. Tomorrow if i get a chance to visit I'm gonna visit and ask them question
Russian were quite cold. But I went to their stall at 4.50 pm. They said since I'm not a reporter just a visitor, they can't entertain any of my requests but come tomorrow, their media specialist can accommodate my queries
I didnt get time to VISIT MKEK, French, American Stalls which I'll visit tomorrow so throw my any questions if you have any
Pakistan Navy Delegation remain elusive. I was not able to locate Navy mission commander or our defence attache there. At 4:50 PM when I was going out I met Pakistani sailors who said they have come on a different bus and are not with Mission commander and can't tell where there leadership delegation is and I've to search for them separately. Lets see if I'm able to find Our Naval Delegation tomorrow !
highlight of the day, when I passed by pakistani sailors group, one sailor was saying, "Idhar se bhagna mushkil hoga"
As exhibition center is very very large and you have to walk a lot.
@Arsalan @The Deterrent @Quwa @cabatli_53 @DESERT FIGHTER @ali_raza @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @cabatli_53 @Neptune @LegionnairE @Combat-Master @HRK @Tank131 @Rashid Mahmood @Oscar @war&peace @LeGenD @Areesh @Gryphon
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