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China's thin margin for error in property policies
China treads fine line in moves to control property prices without derailing growth
SHANGHAI (AP) -- China's attempts to deflate its property bubble come at a perilous time.

Fears that the euro might collapse, unleashing a tsunami of financial and economic disruptions around the globe, have added urgency to concerns that China's campaign to cool overheated housing prices may go too far.

As economic growth wanes, Beijing has begun easing tight credit policies meant to cool inflation but China's leaders are insisting there is no leeway for loosening curbs on the housing sector.

"The decision has been made that there will be no more property bubble," said Andy Xie, an independent economist based in Shanghai.

Measures to control the market — such as limits on home purchases and high downpayments to qualify for mortgages — are at a "critical period," Vice Premier Li Keqiang said last month, stressing a need for more progress on controlling prices.

Stalled transactions and falling prices in major cities such as Shanghai have many in China wondering how long the deep-freeze will last. The impact of China's property chill could stretch far beyond its crowded cities. With growth heavily dependent on construction and related industries, the slowdown already is sapping demand for domestic and imported products and materials and dampening Chinese investors' interest in buying properties overseas.

Since companies have invested borrowed funds in property projects, troubles in real estate will put added stress on banks, said Charlene Chu, an analyst with Fitch Ratings. "This has pushed the developers into a very tight position," she said. "We need to worry about some significant asset deterioration."

Nobody is predicting a meltdown akin to those that led to the global crisis: most Chinese homeowners hold relatively modest mortgages, and demand in the long run will be sustained by demand for better, more spacious housing among increasingly affluent families.

Apart from the global risks, deflating the property bubble is a tricky gamble for the communist leadership given its reliance on rising living standards for its claim to power.

Homeowners whose life savings are in property are seeing the gains they once took for granted evaporate as developers are offering steep discounts on new apartments.

Outraged buyers who recently bought at higher prices are protesting, in one case smashing fixtures at a major developer's offices to vent their anger. Those owners of not-yet-built apartments argue they are being cheated. The property companies say they are just abiding by market conditions.

"It is just unfair," said a 29-year-old software developer. He would only give his last name, Li, because he was involved in some of the protests after prices were cut by 20 percent since he handed over a chunk of his and his parent's savings for an apartment in August. He won't even be able to move in until next year.

"Why do those of us who really need the housing have to be hurt?" Li said.

Those wanting to buy homes, meanwhile, are waiting for prices to drop still further.

Like many in China, Xu Zhengjuan has mixed feelings. The 48-year-old barber shop owner plans to buy an apartment for her son, who soon will be graduated from university.

"It could be a bargain to buy it now, since I need to buy one anyway," said Xu. "But I am also worrying about what I'll do if the prices keep falling after I buy it."

"I'm still watching to see how it will go," she said.

The market seems to have reached a turning point, at least in the biggest cities. New home prices fell in the 10 biggest Chinese cities in November, according to a monthly index compiled by the China Index Academy.

In Shanghai, the decline was 0.5 percent from the month before.

Still, prices have not fallen much overall, with the average decline only 0.3 percent in the 100 biggest cities, to 8,832 yuan ($1,400) per square meter. In the top 10 cities, average prices fell only 0.4 percent, to 15,663 yuan ($2,472) per square meter.

The curbs are just beginning to let some air out of the property bubble, the Communist Party newspaper People's Daily proclaimed in a recent commentary that warned the "time for making easy money is over."

"It is now winter in the real estate market, and 20 percent off or even 50 percent off eventually may be seen in the big cities," it said.

In a recent report, Barclays Capital forecast that prices could drop by 30 percent before stabilizing once the government begins to ease the curbs it used to bring the market under control as prices shot out of reach of many city dwellers.

China's residential property market was only launched in the mid-1990s, as state-owned companies and government agencies began allowing employees to buy housing assigned to them at subsidized rates.

Thanks to those reforms, over two-thirds of urban families own their own homes, and many have bought more apartments as investments, expecting to earn much higher returns from property than from the paltry interest rates paid on bank deposits.

But many younger Chinese have been priced out of the market as their incomes, though mostly rising, haven't kept pace with soaring costs for housing and other necessities.

Having prices fall too far, or too fast, angers many others — and may undermine the finances of businesses and local governments that are heavily invested in property projects.

In the meantime, real estate developers are giving up land parcels they can no longer afford to develop, and in some cases, selling out to larger property companies, or "cutting off their arms to survive" as industry insiders put it.

Some of the slack in demand left from the weakening in commercial property is being absorbed by the push to speed up construction of what the government calls "affordable" housing — in contrast to the expensive high-end apartments and villas that most developers have concentrated on due to their relatively high returns.

The easing in property market controls, when it does come, will likely be piecemeal and low-key, as is the case for most Chinese economic policy changes, says UBS economist Jonathan Anderson.

Despite its relatively short history, China's property market has been through several booms and busts, the most recent in 2008, before a multibillion dollar burst of recession-fighting stimulus spending set off the biggest construction spree so far.

Dai Qi, a foreign trade company employee living with his parents who owns two apartments, is taking the long-term perspective.

"I'm not worried if prices go up or down. If it goes up, that's great because it will be more valuable. If it falls, I won't lose money since my parents bought the apartments in 2001, when they were much cheaper," he said.

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What's gonna be the impact of Chinese property bubble burst?? I guess it will be another bad to the list of bads already in place..
 
Why are you responding to your own thread?

Price need to fall 40% before it affect banking system. Doesn't Mumbai of places has the highest property price in the world.
 
Why are you responding to your own thread?

Price need to fall 40% before it affect banking system. Doesn't Mumbai of places has the highest property price in the world.

its not about prices but rather the volatility.
 
Why are you responding to your own thread?

Why not?? Is there a forum rule against it?? Let me know if you smart-heads had figured it out anywhere..

Price need to fall 40% before it affect banking system. Doesn't Mumbai of places has the highest property price in the world.

40% would you mind telling how you came up with this number? Mumbai may have very high property price but unfortunately that's not the topic of thread..
 
China's housing bubble is losing air

Reporting from Beijing—
Falling home values. Debt-strapped borrowers. Real estate woes dogging the economy. It's old news in the United States, but now the air has started to leak from another great housing bubble — in China.

Home prices nationwide declined in November for the third straight month, according to an index of values in 100 major cities compiled by the China Index Academy, an independent real estate firm. Average prices in the Shanghai area are down about 40% from their peak in mid-2009, to about $176,000 for a 1,000-square-foot home.

Sales have plummeted. In Beijing, nearly two years' worth of inventory is clogging the market, and more than 1,000 real estate agencies have closed this year. Developers who once pre-sold housing projects within hours are growing desperate. A real estate company in the eastern city of Wenzhou is offering to throw in a new BMW with a home purchase.

The swift turnaround has stunned buyers such as Shanghai resident Mark Li, who thought prices had nowhere to go but up. The software engineer closed on a $250,000, three-bedroom apartment in August, only to watch weeks later as the developer slashed prices 25% on identical units to attract buyers in a slowing market.

Outraged, Li and hundreds of others who paid full price trashed the sales office, scuffled with employees and protested for three days before police broke up the demonstration. Walking away now would mean losing the $75,000 down payment that he borrowed from his working-class parents.

"I still haven't told them," Li, 29, said of his home's plummeting value. "It will just make them worry, and it's already too late."

It's all eerily similar to the early stages of the U.S. housing crash. The big difference is that the Chinese government intentionally slammed on the brakes.

Over the last year it has tightened lending and prohibited the purchase of more than one home in several cities, in a bid to discourage speculators and bring down prices. Chinese authorities say they're trying to tame inflation and defuse public anger over housing costs, the fallout from the government's efforts to stimulate the economy with easy credit during the global financial crisis. They have pledged to keep home buying limits in place for the foreseeable future.

But concern is growing about Beijing's ability to engineer a soft landing.

The property sector is a huge employer and now accounts for about one-fifth of China's economic output. Local governments are heavily dependent on land sales to fund public services and to pay off municipal debt. Banks issued record numbers of home mortgages and construction loans, whose collateral is real estate that's now falling in value.

A real estate crash would reverberate well beyond China. The building binge helped fuel a global boom in raw materials including Brazilian iron ore and Chilean copper. And it would hobble an economy the rest of the world was counting on for new consumers and investment opportunities.

The Paris-based Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development warned last month that a collapse of some major Chinese real estate developers would put the nation's banks at risk, a threat that's "overshadowing" the economic outlook of the world's second-largest economy.

Some analysts, however, contend those fears are overblown.

Hundreds of millions of rural Chinese are projected to move into cities in the coming decades, bolstering demand for new housing.

And Chinese aren't nearly as leveraged as Americans. First-time buyers are required by law to come up with down payments equal to 30% of a home's purchase price; many put down more. Experts say the government could also lift its buying restrictions.

"I don't think China is in danger of a U.S.-style housing crash," said Alistair Thornton, a Beijing-based analyst for IHS Global Insight. "They still retain lot of levers of control should the property market slide faster than expected."

But for now, Thornton said, Beijing is committed to shoring up its credibility after promising to bring housing prices back to Earth. Since the government began opening the sector to private ownership in the 1990s, "the market has only gone up … and they want to put across the message that it's not a one-way bet," he said.

That's news to millions of Chinese for whom real estate ownership has become an obsession. The mania has cemented itself into the national zeitgeist, inspiring a wildly popular soap opera, songs and even new slang. Debt-strapped home buyers have been dubbed fang nu, or house slaves. Couples who wed without owning a home are said to have a luo hun, or a naked marriage.

With property values now falling, angry home buyers have staged at least seven demonstrations in the last three months in cities including Beijing and Shanghai. Mobs have destroyed real estate offices and demanded refunds of up to 40% after developers dropped prices for later buyers.

The protesters have garnered little sympathy on China's microblogs, a Twitter-like national nerve center with 300 million users. Many bloggers have denounced the home buyers as speculators hoping to make a quick buck by flipping units.

"You deserve this!" read one comment on the most heavily used service, Sina Weibo.

Such criticism isn't fair, wrote homeowner Wang Zeyi, who bought a unit in the same complex as Li in Shanghai.

"Most of us home buyers really just bought for ourselves to live in," Wang posted on her Sina microblog. "And overnight, the assets just evaporated."

The developer, China Vanke Co., told The Times via email that the price reductions were "decided by supply and demand on the market."

But Li, the software programmer, said he feels cheated.

"The sales agent told me prices wouldn't go down, that I was getting the best deal," he said. Li plans on marrying his girlfriend this time next year, when the apartment is scheduled to be finished. He'll have to devote half of his $1,500 monthly salary to pay the mortgage.

Li said he hasn't worked up the nerve to tell his parents how much his apartment has fallen in value — not after they lent him their life savings for the down payment. His father, an electrician, and his mother, a middle school teacher, live in Jiangxi, a poor province southwest of Shanghai. Frugal savers, they insist on walking wherever they can to save on bus fare when they visit their son in the city.

"I really thought I could save enough for a house," Li said. "But over the years, property prices grew so much faster than my salary. I couldn't play this catch-up game. I had to ask my parents for help or I'd never settle down."

david.pierson@latimes.com

Tommy Yang and Nicole Liu in The Times' Beijing bureau contributed to this report.
 
Did you even read these articles before you posted them?

It sounds to me like a pretty good thing. The overpriced houses finally becomes cheaper (due to strict control of the credit) and become more affordable for newcomers to cities. The inflation rate goes down while the economy still runs at a high speed, higher than any major economy in the world.
 
Did you even read these articles before you posted them?

It sounds to me like a pretty good thing. The overpriced houses finally becomes cheaper (due to strict control of the credit) and become more affordable for newcomers to cities. The inflation rate goes down while the economy still runs at a high speed, higher than any major economy in the world.

Answer this - What's gonna happen with the investor's who invested when prices were at peak and took heavy loan and are now struck into this situation?

Prices going down is generally a good news for new investors but not for the ones who invested at the peak times and now neither have a way to hold on to the property nor can sell off the property.. People invested all their family income in this property gamble.. what are your thoughts about them? It's not as simple a problem as you trying to make it sound like..

BTW, similar stuff happened in US and led to all kinds of problems later and US is not yet able to get out of it.. Give it a thought mate..
 
Answer this - What's gonna happen with the investor's who invested when prices were at peak and took heavy loan and are now struck into this situation?

Prices going down is generally a good news for new investors but not for the ones who invested at the peak times and now neither have a way to hold on to the property nor can sell off the property.. People invested all their family income in this property gamble.. what are your thoughts about them? It's not as simple a problem as you trying to make it sound like..

BTW, similar stuff happened in US and led to all kinds of problems later and US is not yet able to get out of it.. Give it a thought mate..

You apparently don't live in China and don't understand China. The key question is how many people actually invested at the peak price. There was a time that less than a dozen houses were sold out in a month in Shenzhen, do you know how big Shenzhen is?
 
You apparently don't live in China and don't understand China. The key question is how many people actually invested at the peak price. There was a time that less than a dozen houses were sold out in a month in Shenzhen, do you know how big Shenzhen is?

I don't know.. May be you you can throw a number or two to prove your point.

Good luck to you and all if you think this is not a concern at all. Lots of analysts thinks otherwise and that's the reason there is spurt of articles about Chinese property bubble.. I am not the one who came up with this article I read it and shared it here on PDF. you are free to prove the analysts wrong but try to give some numbers from authentic sources.

:cheers:
 
It is not a good news that prices of property in China is higher than that in the US.

I firmly advocate government to take severe measures to curb our real estate industry.And we are also glad to see those gainful developers and speculators' bankrupts.

It is necessarily to poke the bubble earlier rather than later.
 
Answer this - What's gonna happen with the investor's who invested when prices were at peak and took heavy loan and are now struck into this situation?

Prices going down is generally a good news for new investors but not for the ones who invested at the peak times and now neither have a way to hold on to the property nor can sell off the property.. People invested all their family income in this property gamble.. what are your thoughts about them? It's not as simple a problem as you trying to make it sound like

There are many people jumping off high buildings for their failures in investment every day just like those suiciding after losing their shirt in the stock market.I am delight to see that if this can make the apartment prices go down.China's property price is too high now,it's time to pour a pot of cool water on it.
 
Answer this - What's gonna happen with the investor's who invested when prices were at peak and took heavy loan and are now struck into this situation?

Prices going down is generally a good news for new investors but not for the ones who invested at the peak times and now neither have a way to hold on to the property nor can sell off the property.. People invested all their family income in this property gamble.. what are your thoughts about them? It's not as simple a problem as you trying to make it sound like..

BTW, similar stuff happened in US and led to all kinds of problems later and US is not yet able to get out of it.. Give it a thought mate..

Most properties are bought with cash, legal framework dictates that investors pay a 40% cash deposit and self stay pays 20%. Not sure what heavy loan is this in reference too?

China's economy: Not just another fake | The Economist
 
Most properties are bought with cash, legal framework dictates that investors pay a 40% cash deposit and self stay pays 20%. Not sure what heavy loan is this in reference too?

China's economy: Not just another fake | The Economist

And I think there is also a limit on how many properties one can buy (just one) with bank loans. Anything more than that you need to finance on your own. This is what I think I remember someone told me on my last visit to China.

This is a good safeguard to prevent the rich from investing and jacking up the prices I believe. Good to see the property prices cooling down. We need a similar think in India too.

People should stop seeing housing as an investment... period. I hope the Indian govt also takes such measures.
 
And I think there is also a limit on how many properties one can buy (just one) with bank loans. Anything more than that you need to finance on your own. This is what I think I remember someone told me on my last visit to China.

This is a good safeguard to prevent the rich from investing and jacking up the prices I believe. Good to see the property prices cooling down. We need a similar think in India too.

People should stop seeing housing as an investment... period. I hope the Indian govt also takes such measures.

Actually it seems like an Asian culture thing to have keep properties as investments (Is this the same in India?). I know Singapore, HK, Taiwan etc property investments are a non stop topic day in and day out.
 
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