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President Barack Obama has confirmed the use of unmanned drones to kill suspected terrorists in Pakistan's tribal areas, a programme that has intensified during his term and is a constant source of friction with the government in Islamabad.
It is the first official confirmation of a so-far secret programme, run from the CIA's headquarters in Langley.
Analysts believe it may be the result of wide-ranging debate about the legality of using unmanned aircraft to kill American citizens, following the death last year of Anwar al-Awlaki, an al-Qaeda cleric and propagandist.
In a web chat with users of Google+ and YouTube on Monday night, Mr Obama said many of the strikes had been carried out in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.
"For the most part, they've been very precise precision strikes against al-Qaeda and their affiliates, and we're very careful in terms of how it's been applied," he said.
"This is a targeted focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists, who are trying to go in and harm Americans, hit American facilities, American bases, and so on."
America's drone programme was one of the worst-kept secrets in Pakistan.
According to a tally kept by the AFP news agency, 45 missile strikes were reported in Pakistan's tribal belt in 2009, 101 in 2010 and 64 in 2011.
Last year the Bureau of Investigative Journalism published research showing that 160 children had died in the attacks during the past seven years.
The number of attacks escalated under Mr Obama as the focus appeared to change from high-value targets to al-Qaeda and Taliban foot soldiers.
Earlier this month, a drone strike claimed the life of Aslam Awan, an al-Qaeda operative who had studied in Manchester.
Pakistan has publicly denounced the attacks but its leaders have privately given their approval, according to diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks.
Hasan Askari Rizvi said Washington had been questioning its position on drones since al-Awlaki, an American citizen whose internet broadcasts lifted him to prominence with al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, was killed in September.
"Because of this debate it looks as if they may have decided to go public," said Mr Rizvi.
He added America's openness would leave Pakistan with an awkward dilemma, as it tried to placate anti-Western sentiment while remaining an ally of the US.
"Now the government will have to take a definite position," he said
 
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"Now the government will have to take a definite position," he said

You mean like this:


from: 'Tactical advantages' to US drone strikes: FO | Pakistan Today | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

‘Tactical advantages’ to US drone strikes: FO

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan on Tuesday acknowledged "tactical advantages" to US drone strikes on the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but appeared to shrug off the unexpected confirmation by Washington of attacks on its soil. The remarks from Pakistan's foreign ministry came as President Barack Obama confirmed for the first time that drone aircraft had targeted Islamist militants in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal areas on the Afghan border.

"Notwithstanding tactical advantages of drone strikes, we are of the firm view that these are unlawful, counterproductive and hence unacceptable," ministry spokesman Abdul Basit told AFP in a text message. "Our view has always been very clear and position principled," he added.

US diplomatic cables leaked by WikiLeaks in late 2010 showed that Pakistan's civilian and military leaders privately supported US drone attacks, despite public condemnation in a country where the US alliance is hugely unpopular. When asked about drones in a chat with web users on Google+ and YouTube, Obama said "a lot of these strikes have been in the FATA" -- Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Relations between the United States and Pakistan deteriorated sharply in 2011, over the covert American raid that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in May and US air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November. Islamabad is now reviewing its entire alliance with the United States and has kept its Afghan border closed to NATO supply convoys since November 26. It ordered US personnel to leave Shamsi air base in western Pakistan, widely believed to have been a hub for the CIA drone program, and is thought likely to only reopen the Afghan border by exacting taxes on convoys.
 
woah VCheng, you reverted so early??? Well, it is a start.

On topic, does it really matter what Obama says or not? Everybody knows that drones are being used openly.
 
woah VCheng, you reverted so early??? Well, it is a start.

On topic, does it really matter what Obama says or not? Everybody knows that drones are being used openly.

Reverted? What do you mean? Start of what?
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I think that formalizing the formerly secret deals openly is better in the long run for both sides.
 
Reverted? What do you mean? Start of what?
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I think that formalizing the formerly secret deals openly is better in the long run for both sides.

ah forget the flag thing, i saw your discussion in the other thread.

I have always said that, bring everything out clean to the public, the facts and figures of these strikes, the accords and all. How many terrorists were killed, how many civilians and how many were un acounted for or unidentified. Should have been done a long time ago.
 
ah forget the flag thing, i saw your discussion in the other thread.

I have always said that, bring everything out clean to the public, the facts and figures of these strikes, the accords and all. How many terrorists were killed, how many civilians and how many were un acounted for or unidentified. Should have been done a long time ago.

I think that all these should be presented and voted on in parliament so that everyone knows where the politicos stand on record.
 
You mean like this:


from: 'Tactical advantages' to US drone strikes: FO | Pakistan Today | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

‘Tactical advantages’ to US drone strikes: FO

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan on Tuesday acknowledged "tactical advantages" to US drone strikes on the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but appeared to shrug off the unexpected confirmation by Washington of attacks on its soil. The remarks from Pakistan's foreign ministry came as President Barack Obama confirmed for the first time that drone aircraft had targeted Islamist militants in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal areas on the Afghan border.

"Notwithstanding tactical advantages of drone strikes, we are of the firm view that these are unlawful, counterproductive and hence unacceptable," ministry spokesman Abdul Basit told AFP in a text message. "Our view has always been very clear and position principled," he added.

US diplomatic cables leaked by WikiLeaks in late 2010 showed that Pakistan's civilian and military leaders privately supported US drone attacks, despite public condemnation in a country where the US alliance is hugely unpopular. When asked about drones in a chat with web users on Google+ and YouTube, Obama said "a lot of these strikes have been in the FATA" -- Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Relations between the United States and Pakistan deteriorated sharply in 2011, over the covert American raid that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in May and US air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November. Islamabad is now reviewing its entire alliance with the United States and has kept its Afghan border closed to NATO supply convoys since November 26. It ordered US personnel to leave Shamsi air base in western Pakistan, widely believed to have been a hub for the CIA drone program, and is thought likely to only reopen the Afghan border by exacting taxes on convoys.

so everything according to Plan, ah?
Obama admitting Drone strikes -- Pakistan condemning but hinting the "tactical advantages against Taliban and AL Queda", there by reaffirming their commitment to the 'war on terror' to the world and again taking high moral ground as usual with rhetoric like 'counter productive'.

Looks like text book principles of Diplomacy to me. US is doing a very good job with it's relationship with Pakistan.
 
so everything according to Plan, ah?
Obama admitting Drone strikes -- Pakistan condemning but hinting the "tactical advantages against Taliban and AL Queda", there by reaffirming their commitment to the 'war on terror' to the world and again taking high moral ground as usual with rhetoric like 'counter productive'.

Looks like text book principles of Diplomacy to me. US is doing a very good job with it's relationship with Pakistan.

Diplomacy is always a good way forward.
 
Diplomacy is always a good way forward.

I must say, Pakistan is doing very good job with it's diplomacy. Engaging US, China with just plain rhetoric and using India factor. Do you agree?
 
Hi-- I have seen that many fellow Pakistani posters attacking VCheng personally, pin pointing and taunting him for his views... this should not happen, it will only damage the atmosphere of the forum..

be free from prejudices and avoid such behaviour.

--Thanks
 
he is 7 years late then us ? we know it and confirmed since 2004 :tdown: what he said new?
 
It wasnt a secret in 1st place,btw nice avatar vcheng:)

Not a secret, but it wasn't official either; this makes it more "official" and that is better.

I must say, Pakistan is doing very good job with it's diplomacy. Engaging US, China with just plain rhetoric and using India factor. Do you agree?

Pakistan's diplomacy is patchy: good in some areas, abysmal in others, and in some areas the changes are too new to say anything.

Hi-- I have seen that many fellow Pakistani posters attacking VCheng personally, pin pointing and taunting him for his views... this should not happen, it will only damage the atmosphere of the forum..

be free from prejudices and avoid such behaviour.

--Thanks

The members I can handle; when the prejudice and bias goes all the way up to Admin level, it does not bode well for PDF itself.

he is 7 years late then us ? we know it and confirmed since 2004 :tdown: what he said new?

Nothing new in the knowledge, but like i said above, making it official is better.
 
Pakistan's diplomacy is patchy: good in some areas, abysmal in others, and in some areas the changes are too new to say anything.

Nothing can be perfect. Given the conditions, leverage it had(all throughout it's existence), Pakistan has been doing quite well.
 
Nothing can be perfect. Given the conditions, leverage it had(all throughout it's existence), Pakistan has been doing quite well.

I would agree up to a point; how PNSC takes US relations forward is quite important for the near future.
 
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