Australia narrows field for Future Frigate

[Zarvan]

Key Points

• BAE Systems, Fincantieri and Navantia designs shortlisted for Project SEA 5000
• Second-pass approval is scheduled for 2018

Ship designs from Italy, Spain and the UK have been shortlisted for Australia's Project SEA 5000 Future Frigate requirement.

The Australian government, on 18 April, announced a first-pass approval for the Royal Australian Navy's (RAN's) Future Frigate programme. BAE Systems, offering a version of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship, Fincantieri, with a derivative of the Carlo Bergamini-class variant of the FREMM multi-mission frigate, and Navantia, with a modified F100 design, have been invited to further refine their designs as part of an ongoing competitive evaluation process (CEP).




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http://www.janes.com/article/59613/australia-narrows-field-for-future-frigate

 

[Penguin]

So, two competing ship designers, DCNS of France (FREMM) and TKMS of Germany (MEKO 600), have effectively been eliminated from the CEP by today’s announcement. However, that apparently does't mean 'no FREMM'


Fremm with CEAFAR (French DCNS proposal)

http://dcnsgroup.com.au/coverage/quiet-elegance-for-sea5000/

As compared to:

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ini-class-fremm-frigates-of-the-italian-navy/

Meko A400 from http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/euronavy/MEKO.htm

BAE Type 26

http://www.baesystems.com/en/product/global-combat-ship

Navantia's F-100 based proposal (next to the F-100 based Hobart AWD)

http://www.infodefensa.com/es/2015/...enta-modelo-fragata-programa-australiano.html

 

[Umair Nawaz]

So, two competing ship designers, DCNS of France (FREMM) and TKMS of Germany (MEKO 600), have effectively been eliminated from the CEP by today’s announcement. However, that apparently does't mean 'no FREMM'


Fremm with CEAFAR (French DCNS proposal)

http://dcnsgroup.com.au/coverage/quiet-elegance-for-sea5000/

As compared to:

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ini-class-fremm-frigates-of-the-italian-navy/

Meko A400 from http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/euronavy/MEKO.htm

BAE Type 26

http://www.baesystems.com/en/product/global-combat-ship

Navantia's F-100 based proposal (next to the F-100 based Hobart AWD)

http://www.infodefensa.com/es/2015/...enta-modelo-fragata-programa-australiano.html

silent mode for frigate?

 

[Penguin]

silent mode for frigate?

The FREMM's hybrid CODLOG (COmbined Diesel eLectric Or Gas) power package combines electric motors for low-speed silent-mode propulsion and a gas turbine for high-speed mechanical propulsion, with a maximum speed in excess of 27 knots. This gives a range of 6 000 nm at 15 knots.

For quiet anti-submarine operations the shafts are driven by electric motors (no thumping diesels, no whining Gtu's) and the frigate's speed in ASW silent mode is up to 15kt

By including a ‘silent mode’ that enables the frigates to engage in anti-submarine warfare operations, the FREMM frigates address one of the key concerns of the 2012 Defence Capability Guide.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

The FREMM's hybrid CODLOG (COmbined Diesel eLectric Or Gas) power package combines electric motors for low-speed silent-mode propulsion and a gas turbine for high-speed mechanical propulsion, with a maximum speed in excess of 27 knots. This gives a range of 6 000 nm at 15 knots.

For quiet anti-submarine operations the shafts are driven by electric motors (no thumping diesels, no whining Gtu's) and the frigate's speed in ASW silent mode is up to 15kt

By including a ‘silent mode’ that enables the frigates to engage in anti-submarine warfare operations, the FREMM frigates address one of the key concerns of the 2012 Defence Capability Guide.

interesting! if im not wrong the silent mode for surface fleets in ASW is a new thing?
So is this concept effective enough to really spot the subs who themselves may be running in silent mode? I mean is it battle tested or atleast tested in exercises?

All i want to know that is concept is a practically proven thing or not.

 

[Penguin]

CODLOG arrangement is baseline design for the Royal Navy's Type 26 Frigate too

CODLAG is used in Type 23 (UK) and F-125 (BRD) and FREMM (Fr/It)

A system which uses both diesel engines and gas turbines to generate electricity for electric motors, where there is no mechanical transmission from either to the propellers, is not classified as CODLAG, but as integrated electric propulsion (IEP) or integrated full electric propulsion (IFEP). Such an arrangement is in use on warships such as the Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyer and the upcoming Zumwalt-class destroyer (DDG-1000/DD(X))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_diesel-electric_and_gas

 

[Blue Marlin]

CODLOG arrangement is baseline design for the Royal Navy's Type 26 Frigate too

CODLAG is used in Type 23 (UK) and F-125 (BRD) and FREMM (Fr/It)

A system which uses both diesel engines and gas turbines to generate electricity for electric motors, where there is no mechanical transmission from either to the propellers, is not classified as CODLAG, but as integrated electric propulsion (IEP) or integrated full electric propulsion (IFEP). Such an arrangement is in use on warships such as the Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyer and the upcoming Zumwalt-class destroyer (DDG-1000/DD(X))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_diesel-electric_and_gas

so its kinda similar to the type 45's iep to. getting power from a turbine engine and uses that power to generate power to drive a electrive motor which drives the propeller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_electric_propulsion

 

[BDforever]

CODLOG arrangement is baseline design for the Royal Navy's Type 26 Frigate too

CODLAG is used in Type 23 (UK) and F-125 (BRD) and FREMM (Fr/It)

A system which uses both diesel engines and gas turbines to generate electricity for electric motors, where there is no mechanical transmission from either to the propellers, is not classified as CODLAG, but as integrated electric propulsion (IEP) or integrated full electric propulsion (IFEP). Such an arrangement is in use on warships such as the Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyer and the upcoming Zumwalt-class destroyer (DDG-1000/DD(X))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_diesel-electric_and_gas

how do you remember all this stuff that you post ?

 

[Penguin]

how do you remember all this stuff that you post ?

I have a huge head