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An Enemy That Thinks
By: Dubhaltach Sunday August 29, 2010 6:46 am

When I heard that Forward Operating Base, FOB Chapman had been attacked again I sat up and started paying a lot of attention. FOB Chapman (and its companion FOB, FOB Salerno), are interesting places, not least because of their CIA connection, their key role in American drone attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and because the Taliban attack them regularly. Probably the best known of these attacks is the one launched by a suicide bomber on December 30, 2009 in which 7 CIA agents and a Jordanian Military Intelligence office were killed together with 6 wounded. (See also: CIA director confirms that 7 agents died in suicide bombing by Taliban at US base in Afghanistan).

The BBC headlined the most recent attacks as follows — "Taliban disguised as US troops attack Nato bases"

The attacks targeted the US military’s Forward Operating Base Chapman and Forward Operating Base Salerno in Khost province near the eastern border with Pakistan, where coalition forces have been stepping up operations against a resurgent Taliban.

Source: BBC News | "Taliban disguised as US troops attack Nato bases". | (Emphasis added), — if you follow the link to BBC news page you will find a video report as well as the text report.

In America The New York Times have a condensed AP report headlined "Insurgents Attack NATO Base and Camp in Afghanistan", a somewhat longer AP report headlined "Afghan militants in US uniforms storm 2 NATO bases" is hosted at Google News.

From the way the reports are written the casual observer could gain the impression that this operation was a severe failure for the Taliban and that they are on the way to being vanquished. For me as a professional military officer with several tours of duty in Afghanistan under my belt the key facts in the reports and the impression I gained from them are somewhat different:

1. The attack was well timed, had several objectives, and lasted for several hours.
2. The attack was a coup de main — that is it involved the use of surprise and simultaneous execution of supporting operations to achieve success.
3. Following from 1 and 2 above the attack was complex:
1. The attack was well organised and executed.
2. The attacking forces used a variety of weapons systems including, inter alia, assault rifles, heavy machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades, and heavy weapons such as rockets and mortars.
3. The attack was coordinated.
4. The attackers successfully executed the most difficult of all military operations — they withdraw from the battlefield in an organized fashion while under heavy fire. According to the AP report, the bodies of only 21 attackers were recovered by the defending forces in the aftermath of the attack.
4. The attack very nearly succeeded the use of US uniforms by the attackers meant that some of the attackers got close enough to have a chance to get into the compounds, from the reports at least two of the attackers succeeded in breaching the perimeter of FOB Salerno.
5. The attacks are part of a series of attacks exploiting weaknesses caused by the American strategy of concentrating in Marja and Kandahar.
6. The conclusion to be drawn from 1 — 5 above is that, allowing for local variations, the Taliban are an adaptive foe, capable of altering their strategy to adapt to new circumstance and capabled of exploiting spotting and exploiting their oponents’ weaknesses at short notice to execute complex attacks.

This is an undefeated enemy. This is a flexible and consistently underestimated enemy. This is an enemy that thinks.
 
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The Talibans are using sophisticated methods to attack US and NATO installation. That means that Afghan army is no match for them in the long run.
 
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This is nothing new. The Taliban has adapted to US tactics at least a year ago at Fire base Wanat.


There the Taliban organized the attack according to experience. They were well spread out and in small groups to surround the base and minimize risk from air attack. They also knew ahead of time the typical response time for US aircover and worked their attack within the schedule.

Result was 9 US troops killed, 27 wounded out of 48.
 
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At Wanat the taliban had months to prepare 4:1 numerical advantage and the high ground and still lost.

2 years later the count was 21 talib killed 5 captured and an as yet released number killed in a car trrying to escape out of a supposed 30.
They had the advantage of wearing US uniforms early morning and got their ***** handed to them, thats not a thinking enemy 90% casualties is a disaster.
 
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The Talibans are using sophisticated methods to attack US and NATO installation. That means that Afghan army is no match for them in the long run.

May i know who are talibs??? Aren't they Afghans...then how come Afghan Army are not going to be a match for them??? I can understand if you say status quo but saying that the same afghans backed by International Community are no match for Talibs is a big understatement....
 
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May i know who are talibs??? Aren't they Afghans...then how come Afghan Army are not going to be a match for them??? I can understand if you say status quo but saying that the same afghans backed by International Community are no match for Talibs is a big understatement....

The NVA and the ARVN were both Vietnamese and the ARVN had more American troops in support than the Afghans ever had.
 
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The NVA and the ARVN were both Vietnamese and the ARVN had more American troops in support than the Afghans ever had.

Good point however big difference when it comes to AF......Most of the obvious things don't apply in AF....
 
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At Wanat the taliban had months to prepare 4:1 numerical advantage and the high ground and still lost.

2 years later the count was 21 talib killed 5 captured and an as yet released number killed in a car trrying to escape out of a supposed 30.
They had the advantage of wearing US uniforms early morning and got their ***** handed to them, thats not a thinking enemy 90% casualties is a disaster.

By what calculus did the Taliban lose in Wanat?
 
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By what calculus did the Taliban lose in Wanat?

The militants withdrew about four hours later, After the militants retreated, mop up operations followed, and the Taliban withdrew from the town

Battle of Wanat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes the Taliban caused heavy casualties, yes a few days latter the position was abandoned for a more defensible base 4 miles away. However 200+ Taliban and probably 20 local police with 10 months to plan, height, supprise and a bit of luck hitting the mortar stright up still did not over run the base. I usually work out who lost by who is running away at the end of the fight and in this case it was the taliban.
 
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Battle of Wanat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes the Taliban caused heavy casualties, yes a few days latter the position was abandoned for a more defensible base 4 miles away. However 200+ Taliban and probably 20 local police with 10 months to plan, height, supprise and a bit of luck hitting the mortar stright up still did not over run the base. I usually work out who lost by who is running away at the end of the fight and in this case it was the taliban.

Holding the field may count as the hard rule for victory in Napoleon's time but you are awfully dated if you think this is still the case. I think any Taliban commander would ecstatic the outcome in Wanat. You can't trade a dirt poor expendable Taliban fighter one vs one against US troops, who are expensive both financially and politically.


Case in point there was a serious armed forces investigation into what happened at Wanat. I'm not a Taliban fanboy, and I support Canada's mission in Afghanistan but you have to see Wanat for what it was. If you don't believe me, google Thomas Ricks and Wanat.
 
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The wanat article is archived but i can probably guess some of the points Ricks would have made.
That the base was in the wrong spot for the wrong reasons, the enemy had 10 months warning, the supplies to build the base had not turned up the US numbers were too small and the ANA comitment during battle was minimal, add in bad weather limiting air cover and the disaster killing 19 locals previously.

So it was a disaster in planning a disaster in execution 9 brave men died that should not have and yes i am probably old fashioned in thinking the troops there had an objective and they held it so i call it a victory though a phyricc one at best.

Though look at it from the taliban side, they had a gift, every possible thing going for them, an outnumbered, un supplied enemy in an unfortified and ill prepared camp, they have the high ground, the choice of time to attack, help from the locals by any expectation they should have over run wanat and killed and captured every one there. You can bet that was what the arabs were telling them before the fight.

The result after 4 hours of fighting they slunk away telling everyone it was a great victory because they killed 9 Americans, if body counts won wars then Vietnam was a US victory.

US goal hold on, suceeded, just.
Taliban goal overrun base, Failed.
 
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The wanat article is archived but i can probably guess some of the points Ricks would have made.
That the base was in the wrong spot for the wrong reasons, the enemy had 10 months warning, the supplies to build the base had not turned up the US numbers were too small and the ANA comitment during battle was minimal, add in bad weather limiting air cover and the disaster killing 19 locals previously.

So it was a disaster in planning a disaster in execution 9 brave men died that should not have and yes i am probably old fashioned in thinking the troops there had an objective and they held it so i call it a victory though a phyricc one at best.

Though look at it from the taliban side, they had a gift, every possible thing going for them, an outnumbered, un supplied enemy in an unfortified and ill prepared camp, they have the high ground, the choice of time to attack, help from the locals by any expectation they should have over run wanat and killed and captured every one there. You can bet that was what the arabs were telling them before the fight.

The result after 4 hours of fighting they slunk away telling everyone it was a great victory because they killed 9 Americans, if body counts won wars then Vietnam was a US victory.

US goal hold on, suceeded, just.
Taliban goal overrun base, Failed.

That was pretty much what Ricks said. Good point, I hadn't thought about it as a unique chance for the Taliban. I just looked at this as a more successful than usual attack in the overall dismal record of Taliban ambushes.

My point was if Wanat a victory, is repeated 1000 times, the Taliban would "win" ie America will bug out and say F' it.
 
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That was pretty much what Ricks said. Good point, I hadn't thought about it as a unique chance for the Taliban. I just looked at this as a more successful than usual attack in the overall dismal record of Taliban ambushes.

My point was if Wanat a victory, is repeated 1000 times, the Taliban would "win" ie America will bug out and say F' it.

I do see your point and thank god there havent been 1000 wanat's.

A few points, if the taliban were learning and thinking there would have been more. Hit the support weapons first, multiple directions, picking weak links forcing the enemy to either risk more reinforcing them or fall back. Yet what we are seeing recently is small groups 40-50 "suicide" shock troops hitting heavily defended bases. The last 3 "news worthy" attacks have been like the one at FOB Chapman.

No one makes it to the wire, no US casualties no real chance of sucess and the handler that sent them to die dissapeering in a SUV and a cloud of dust. Thats not learning its not even bright.
It certainly isnt up to the standard of the Mujahideen capable of taking out a russian armored supply column.
 
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I do see your point and thank god there havent been 1000 wanat's.

A few points, if the taliban were learning and thinking there would have been more. Hit the support weapons first, multiple directions, picking weak links forcing the enemy to either risk more reinforcing them or fall back.
Yet what we are seeing recently is small groups 40-50 "suicide" shock troops hitting heavily defended bases. The last 3 "news worthy" attacks have been like the one at FOB Chapman.

No one makes it to the wire, no US casualties no real chance of sucess and the handler that sent them to die dissapeering in a SUV and a cloud of dust. Thats not learning its not even bright.
It certainly isnt up to the standard of the Mujahideen capable of taking out a russian armored supply column.

Great points...however don't you think Taliban strategy is not to defeat NATO in head on collision but to defeat them by denying them the victory....sooner or later this war will come to an end(Nato leaving AF) and talibs would strike back like a venomous serpent....
 
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I do see your point and thank god there havent been 1000 wanat's.

A few points, if the taliban were learning and thinking there would have been more. Hit the support weapons first, multiple directions, picking weak links forcing the enemy to either risk more reinforcing them or fall back. Yet what we are seeing recently is small groups 40-50 "suicide" shock troops hitting heavily defended bases. The last 3 "news worthy" attacks have been like the one at FOB Chapman.

No one makes it to the wire, no US casualties no real chance of sucess and the handler that sent them to die dissapeering in a SUV and a cloud of dust. Thats not learning its not even bright.
It certainly isnt up to the standard of the Mujahideen capable of taking out a russian armored supply column.

Yeah I was puzzled by that too. Mass attacks (false uniform or not) at the wire is just what the US war machine is built to deal with...What use is a suicide vest when you can't close the distance.
 
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